US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5968

On November 08 2016 08:04 WhiteDog wrote:

You've gotten quite low to actually care about the way I spell words.

I always have trouble with words that exist in french with different spelling, sorry.

Now you can try to argue something rather than doing the teacher.


It's just a stupid assertion. What basis do you have for that ?
Just saying, we were talking about "whitesplaining" not "blacksplaining". We are not talking about the discrimination that black sufffer, which exist, but about the possible unity of the category "white" which I disagree with.

On November 08 2016 08:09 biology]major wrote:


Idk if you saw that american come back vid, but Trump really isn't a horrible human being. Lot of his workers have similar stories, and someone who is so wealthy taking time to treat lowly workers with respect shows character. He's brash, not well spoken and is very impulsive, but there's far worse people out there.

On November 08 2016 08:02 KwarK wrote:

WhiteDog, if you insist upon telling us all that you're so educated that you know all about privilege you could at least learn to spell the word. Normally I'm fine with people spelling words how they please but normally they don't get it wrong while midrant about how educated they are and how well they understand the word in question.

On November 08 2016 07:58 WhiteDog wrote:

I like people trying to rationalize stupid meme with ignorant arguments. You're doing a Plansix, making us believe that only gender theorist and women can talk about gender issues. I'm educated enough to know that saying all "men" or all "white" have "priviledge" in today's world is stupid as hell - do you even know half the people considered poor in the US are white ?

On November 08 2016 08:19 WhiteDog wrote:

You're always responding to me with "subjectivity" : so "privilege" is a "life experience" and a way to "inform discussion on racism".

Meanwhile, I'm asking you to do a real sociological work : show me the objective existence of the group "white" from a socio-economical perspective in the US today, and not from a "subjective" standpoint. That's scientific work, objectifying things.

On November 08 2016 08:24 WhiteDog wrote:
Then give me data : where are the data on privilege ? What's a white privilege ? Show me something that all white people have that non white people have not ? Should be obvious since everybody here seems to consider it to be obvious.

I can show you tons of data on the actual discrimination that all black people face, whatever their socio economic background. Without any diifficulties.

On November 08 2016 08:26 Nevuk wrote:

Criminal incarceration rates

A job applicant with a name that sounds like it might belong to an African-American - say, Lakisha Washington or Jamal Jones - can find it harder to get a job. Despite laws against discrimination, affirmative action, a degree of employer enlightenment, and the desire by some businesses to enhance profits by hiring those most qualified regardless of race, African-Americans are twice as likely as whites to be unemployed and they earn nearly 25 percent less when they are employed.

Now a "field experiment" by NBER Faculty Research Fellows Marianne Bertrand and Sendhil Mullainathan measures this discrimination in a novel way. In response to help-wanted ads in Chicago and Boston newspapers, they sent resumes with either African-American- or white-sounding names and then measured the number of callbacks each resume received for interviews. Thus, they experimentally manipulated perception of race via the name on the resume. Half of the applicants were assigned African-American names that are "remarkably common" in the black population, the other half white sounding names, such as Emily Walsh or Greg Baker.

To see how the credentials of job applicants affect discrimination, the authors varied the quality of the resumes they used in response to a given ad. Higher quality applicants were given a little more labor market experience on average and fewer holes in their employment history. They were also portrayed as more likely to have an email address, to have completed some certification degree, to possess foreign language skills, or to have been awarded some honors.

In total, the authors responded to more than 1,300 employment ads in the sales, administrative support, clerical, and customer services job categories, sending out nearly 5,000 resumes. The ads covered a large spectrum of job quality, from cashier work at retail establishments and clerical work in a mailroom to office and sales management positions.

The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates to a phone line with a voice mailbox attached and a message recorded by someone of the appropriate race and gender. Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. This would suggest either employer prejudice or employer perception that race signals lower productivity.

On November 08 2016 08:28 WhiteDog wrote:
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social class, social class, social class, social class, etc. Most (if not all) of the white you see on TV comes from favored socio economic background : it's not their "whiteness" that is at the core of their "privilege".
Pretty obvious for senator, there's no son of unemployed as senator, trust me.

On November 08 2016 08:28 Plansix wrote:

Number of white male CEO, senators, and any other position of power. Hollywood as a whole, but specifically directors. The tech industry. Television comedy. Comics, both writers and characters. Cable news broadcasters. We could go on forever.

On November 08 2016 08:35 KwarK wrote:

School programs. Criminal sentencing practices. Hell, voting rights.

On November 08 2016 08:24 WhiteDog wrote:
Then give me data : where are the data on privilege ? What's a white privilege ? Show me something that all white people have that non white people have not ? Should be obvious since everybody here seems to consider it to be obvious.

I can show you tons of data on the actual discrimination that all black people face, whatever their socio economic background. Without any diifficulties : that's racism you know, not a subjective feeling or some kind of experience, but actual practice and judgements that influence one's experience.

On November 08 2016 08:28 WhiteDog wrote:

You're saying poor white kids have less chance to go to prison than asian kids ? Or mexican kids ? Or are you comparing with the obvious black kids, and thus actually observing the discrimination against back kids and not the "privilege" white kids supposedly have ?