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On November 08 2016 05:47 Probe1 wrote:Hey Nyxisto Show nested quote +Journalists from other countries who are covering the election have confronted their own set of challenges. The foreign press corps is low on the food chain during any U.S. presidential race, and perhaps never more so than this one. Since foreign journalists' audiences rarely include U.S. voters, campaigns don't consider them a priority. Access, particularly to Donald Trump's campaign, has been a challenge and a source of frustration. Some journalists have redirected their focus to U.S. voters themselves.
"Americans are not aware of how closely we follow what you guys are doing," says Matthias Kolb, a reporter with the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung. "We are so obsessed with America, it's like the North Star, sort of. There is so much connection and attachment." How Foreign Journalists Here Try To Explain The U.S. Election Back HomeHow would you rate that statement? It's tickling my bullshit-o-meter and sounds like something you say to flatter Americans.
'Obsessed' is a little strong but interest in American elections is generally fairly high in Germany and you'll see a lot of reporting on it especially during the election cycles.
The part about the polarisation further down is definitely true. I haven't met a single Trump supporter here. German's generally tend to like consensus based politics, technocratic/legal government and issue talk. Also the Reagen "tear down the wall" and Trump's build the wall stuff has come up relatively often.
Especially in the minds of older Western Germans the US is still the land of opportunity so seeing these isolationist tendencies makes people shake their heads.
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On November 08 2016 05:52 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:44 Probe1 wrote:On November 08 2016 05:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. On November 08 2016 05:26 Doodsmack wrote:
There's no telling what Trump is going to do after the loss. If he can't win, will he let anyone win? Thank god Trump is here to actually make you forget you will soon elect Hillary Clinton as president of the united state of america. You seem unaware that a lot of people are actually quite positive about her. Personally I don't expect her to do miracles, and I have a higher opinion of Obama, but I think she has the qualities required to be a good president. She is miles above anyone I can think of in the Republican party, and I agree with most of her platform. All the wonderful scandals of her have revealed being full of nothing, and all the accusations of corruption are unfounded and unproven. At that point I expect people who come up with their anti Hillary rhetoric to develop a little bit. I wouldn't quite say miles. Marco Rubio is a nepotistic little shit but he hasn't done much wrong by us in Florida. But by the grace of god we're voting for Trump or Hillary. Well he's basically a climate change denier, a hardcore pro gun advocate, vowed to repeal Obamacare, wants to confront Iran and was against the nuclear deal, voted against the violence against women act, and had a tax and economic plan just as voodoo and crazy as Trump's. On top of that he has basically never really achieved anything substantial. Rubio looks like a likable hero from a mafia movie, but I would have Clinton over him as Potus any day and twice on sunday. She is more qualified, her program makes sense and her positions are moderate.
I think that is a fair opinion to hold. His national policies certainly haven't been tested and are dramatically different from Clintons. As far as being pro gun goes though, there are very few politicians who are anti gun.
Our fights are over whether moderate, sensible restrictions that gun owners often support are too damn cuhrazy.
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Doesn't Rubio also have a pretty low attendance record as well. Hard to do wrong by people when you hardly do anything at all.
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In order to have a low attendance he has to actually show up more than once a week, he rarely makes an appearance even at hearings.
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Folks in the UK think y'all have lost your minds.
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Folks in Russia see a clown when wants to work with them and a warhawk who wants to start another war with them (the actual government may think differently).
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On November 08 2016 05:58 Slaughter wrote:
Doesn't Rubio also have a pretty low attendance record as well. Hard to do wrong by people when you hardly do anything at all.
Believe me we have such a bountiful selection of shitty politicians that this is an improvement. Right now there is a huge uproar over a solar power amendment that was loaded with supportive language and in the final sentence in the vaguest possible way creates a loophole to damage solar power and enrich coal and gas energy conglomerates in the state. It's being argued today before the FL Supreme Court to have the amendment stricken from the ballot because of its deceitful language. And don't get me started on Rick Scott and his "pro business if your business makes me richer" policies.
On November 08 2016 06:04 KwarK wrote:
Folks in the UK think y'all have lost your minds.
You're suggesting they think we've ever found them in order to lose them again. For all my love and time spent visiting and living in England, we're always going to be divided culturally.
On November 08 2016 05:57 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:47 Probe1 wrote:Hey Nyxisto Journalists from other countries who are covering the election have confronted their own set of challenges. The foreign press corps is low on the food chain during any U.S. presidential race, and perhaps never more so than this one. Since foreign journalists' audiences rarely include U.S. voters, campaigns don't consider them a priority. Access, particularly to Donald Trump's campaign, has been a challenge and a source of frustration. Some journalists have redirected their focus to U.S. voters themselves.
"Americans are not aware of how closely we follow what you guys are doing," says Matthias Kolb, a reporter with the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung. "We are so obsessed with America, it's like the North Star, sort of. There is so much connection and attachment." How Foreign Journalists Here Try To Explain The U.S. Election Back HomeHow would you rate that statement? It's tickling my bullshit-o-meter and sounds like something you say to flatter Americans. 'Obsessed' is a little strong but interest in American elections is generally fairly high in Germany and you'll see a lot of reporting on it especially during the election cycles. The part about the polarisation further down is definitely true. I haven't met a single Trump supporter here. German's generally tend to like consensus based politics, technocratic/legal government and issue talk. Also the Reagen "tear down the wall" and Trump's build the wall stuff has come up relatively often. Especially in the minds of older Western Germans the US is still the land of opportunity so seeing these isolationist tendencies makes people shake their heads.
Thank you. In particular, comparisons to the division of Germany with Trumps "Build the wall" rhetoric fascinate me. I never imagined a comparison before now. Mexico and the US have centuries of contentious history between them and I think even quite liberal people have reservations about people poor immigrants illegally entering the country for any reason other than political asylum.
There's an urgency and a need for context that feels much, much stronger than in 2012. To see Donald Trump lie again and again and again — we were early in calling him a liar. There were no repercussions for us. We are more opinionated [than U.S. journalists]. In March, I wrote my first story about it, that Donald Trump keeps telling lies while the Republicans are silent about it.
I felt lucky I could travel to a lot of primary states and meet Trump supporters. In Europe, he's seen as a clown, a buffoon, a racist who only white trash would support. I always try to go to some of the meetings and talk to people, try to bring back to my readers to understand — it might sound weird, but you can actually be a good person and vote for Donald Trump because you want change.
I was particularly amused by this. First by his very American language of what lets be honest myself and many others think but don't phrase as such. That Trump supporters are poor white trash. It's funny on multiple levels. A foreign journalist is using our colloquial language to describe what we are thinking but not saying. Secondly that foreign media is quicker to be honest and call what Trump does by its name - lying, than our own media who strive to appear unbias'd even when it's absurd not to call it what it is.
Good shit.
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On November 08 2016 05:52 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:44 Probe1 wrote:On November 08 2016 05:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. Thank god Trump is here to actually make you forget you will soon elect Hillary Clinton as president of the united state of america. You seem unaware that a lot of people are actually quite positive about her. Personally I don't expect her to do miracles, and I have a higher opinion of Obama, but I think she has the qualities required to be a good president. She is miles above anyone I can think of in the Republican party, and I agree with most of her platform. All the wonderful scandals of her have revealed being full of nothing, and all the accusations of corruption are unfounded and unproven. At that point I expect people who come up with their anti Hillary rhetoric to develop a little bit. I wouldn't quite say miles. Marco Rubio is a nepotistic little shit but he hasn't done much wrong by us in Florida. But by the grace of god we're voting for Trump or Hillary. Well he's basically a climate change denier, a hardcore pro gun advocate, vowed to repeal Obamacare, wants to confront Iran and was against the nuclear deal, voted against the violence against women act, and had a tax and economic plan just as voodoo and crazy as Trump's.
Great reasons to vote for Trump or Rubio, but sadly the positions on trade, limited government, tax-and-spend politics, and a host of other non-conservative policies and doubletalk make him a bad candidate albeit not at Hillary levels. Oh well.
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I'll pass on anyone who starts an article with the un-ironic usage of the word "mansplaining". That dude embodies the very worst of bigotry. You can only be racist against certain groups.
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I used to really like Glenn Beck. Then he got really, really weird about ten-fifteen years ago or so. And now, he's just a hot mess.
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On November 08 2016 06:22 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:52 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 05:44 Probe1 wrote:On November 08 2016 05:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. Thank god Trump is here to actually make you forget you will soon elect Hillary Clinton as president of the united state of america. You seem unaware that a lot of people are actually quite positive about her. Personally I don't expect her to do miracles, and I have a higher opinion of Obama, but I think she has the qualities required to be a good president. She is miles above anyone I can think of in the Republican party, and I agree with most of her platform. All the wonderful scandals of her have revealed being full of nothing, and all the accusations of corruption are unfounded and unproven. At that point I expect people who come up with their anti Hillary rhetoric to develop a little bit. I wouldn't quite say miles. Marco Rubio is a nepotistic little shit but he hasn't done much wrong by us in Florida. But by the grace of god we're voting for Trump or Hillary. Well he's basically a climate change denier, a hardcore pro gun advocate, vowed to repeal Obamacare, wants to confront Iran and was against the nuclear deal, voted against the violence against women act, and had a tax and economic plan just as voodoo and crazy as Trump's. Great reasons to vote for Trump or Rubio, but sadly the positions on trade, limited government, tax-and-spend politics, and a host of other non-conservative policies and doubletalk make him a bad candidate albeit not at Hillary levels. Oh well.
You think climate change denial is a good trait? You think repealing Obamacare is good or even reasonable or feasible?
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On November 08 2016 06:35 Probe1 wrote:
I'll pass on anyone who starts an article with the un-ironic usage of the word "mansplaining". That dude embodies the very worst of bigotry. You can only be racist against certain groups.
Now that's one word I hope never enters common usage. But given my luck, you'll eventually be a bitter clinger for disliking it.
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Woke Glenn Beck is one of the stranger parts of this election. It’s all talk right now, but damn it is weird to see him talking about the black experience and not being an asshole about it.
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Doesn't he employ that Tomi Lahren chick who does nothing but bitch about black people? He can hate Trump and all but I'm going with he's not as changed as is being let on.
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On November 08 2016 06:50 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Doesn't he employ that Tomi Lahren chick who does nothing but bitch about black people? He can hate Trump and all but I'm going with he's not as changed as is being let on.
I have a number of progressive, SJW friends who are all reading that article with the same thought. He needs to back it up with something beyond saying “I’m gunna stop being a shitty racist.”
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On November 08 2016 06:46 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 06:35 Probe1 wrote:
I'll pass on anyone who starts an article with the un-ironic usage of the word "mansplaining". That dude embodies the very worst of bigotry. You can only be racist against certain groups. Now that's one word I hope never enters common usage. But given my luck, you'll eventually be a bitter clinger for disliking it.
It's important to say something. Letting someone devalue a person because of their gender is offensively sexist and speaking up against inequality against anyone is important. But that doesn't necessarily mean one dude who writes for a magazine I'd never read myself will rule my life.
As civil rights activists have taught, I will walk a high road here and appreciate that all people should be judged not by what they are but by the merit of their ideas. I don't care if a man or a woman uses that word. They both equally offend me. And I will ignore them in equal measure even if I have to occasionally say out loud, "Wow that is really fucking sexist bud".
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The optimist in me is touched that Glenn Beck has appeared to come back from the fringes of the political pundit world to being a pretty prominent voice of apparent reason against the Trump campaign.
The cynic in me thinks that the only reason he's doing it is because he knows #1: the odds are Trump is probably going to lose, and #2: If Trump loses, his presidential campaign will likely be looked at as the swan song for the high-octane alt-right Republican thought that has hijacked the party. Best to jump off that ship early and be seen as a more reasonable, conservative voice.
When tears, screaming, and sobbing were selling commercial airtime during his broadcasts six years ago he was all over it. Appears to me he's positioning himself to try to be a voice that guides Republican viewers who think "what the heck do we do now?" after their party's candidate loses tomorrow.
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The Trump Republicans aren't going anywhere. People may want to dump Trump but he turned out to be widely popular with a large enough part of the base to win the nomination.
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On November 08 2016 06:48 Plansix wrote:
Woke Glenn Beck is one of the stranger parts of this election. It’s all talk right now, but damn it is weird to see him talking about the black experience and not being an asshole about it.
Him + Megyn Kelly are doing a good job at allowing Fox News to transition into a somewhat redeemable state. Fox News being more Kasich and less Trump would be great.
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