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On November 08 2016 04:58 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 04:44 Nebuchad wrote:On November 08 2016 04:43 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 04:35 Nebuchad wrote:
What you say is true Probe1 but their strategy is ultimately fairly bad from the get go. You don't need to appeal to the racists when you're a right wing party in a two-party system. It's not like they're going to go, Oh shit, the republicans didn't sufficiently cater to me in this election, I guess I'll go democrat instead. They're going to be on your side either way. I assume their decision to make that their strategy is connected to their shift from being the left wing party to being the right wing party, though?
The only thing that actually happens when you include extremes in your rhetoric is that you lose grip on the moderate vote. That's perfect for the democrats, they get to occupy the moderate right wing space and say "either you're me or you're a far right extremist". If they're at all skilled, they can translate that to "either you're sane and you vote for me or you're insane". And they never need to go progressive, cause in doing that they ensure the battle for moderate right wing votes begins again. Well, the problem with the Republican party right now is not their bad strategies but the fact that they are hostage of a radicalized base. I think you can make a credible argument that their base is radicalized as a result of their bad strategies. I have heard credible reports that it was actually because Liberals were too mean to Mitt Romney, and now the Liberal warnings against Trump went unheeded. Thus, it isn't the Deplorables fault that they overwhelmingly voted for Trump, instead it was the smug Liberals all along.
This is only semi related but uh on that topic..
Does anyone else use Reddit often? Ever notice how when the Hillary Clinton subreddit gets on the front page they're usually just as rancorous as the Donald Trump subreddit?
It's really damn funny.
Granted I think it's not about a particular partisan voter base being uncouth. It's the reddit effect where if you get a critical mass of people who think the same way together they'll act like assholes.
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On November 08 2016 05:01 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 04:50 Blisse wrote:On November 08 2016 04:43 oBlade wrote:On November 08 2016 04:33 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 08 2016 04:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 04:20 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2016 04:17 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 08 2016 03:42 Doodsmack wrote:Trump is actually jealous of Clinton that celebrities are shunning him lol...it's like he's not a "star" anymore. And he just can't help but comment on it... Sarasota, Florida (CNN) — Donald Trump on Monday mocked hip-hop music as he once again criticized the performance Jay Z and Beyonce delivered at a rally for Hillary Clinton, asking whether it was "talking or singing."
"The language is so bad and as they were singing -- singing right? Was it talking or singing? Right? But the language was so bad," Trump said Monday during his first of five rallies the day before Election Day.
Trump's apparent criticism of rap and hip-hop comes in spite of the GOP nominee's repeated attempts to appeal to African-American voters during the final months of his campaign. It also comes as Clinton has ramped up get out the vote efforts in recent days by targeting young and African-American voters in particular. CNN CNN is ridiculous, what that article says (or what you are implying) has nothing to do with what he actually convey in the rally. I watched a bit of the rally online and his points were: a) Look this huge stadium is full of people, and more are crowding outside. Hillary has to bring Jay-z for free and even then no one shows up. b) Whenever Trump says bad things he gets berated from everywhere, but Jay-z can say all sorts of bads words with no problem (this was in a half joke/half serious way) If Trump had described his habit of sexually assaulting women as "grabbing them by their no-no parts" it wouldn't be any better. The outrage isn't over the word pussy, it was over "I don't even ask". I'm also a bit puzzled that Go Tunk thinks that a politician and a hip hop artist's language should be compared at the same level. You can like Eminem and think that what he says in his song would be absolutely terrifying if ever heard from the mouth of the POTUS. Read my reply to Kwark, my point was that CNN was misrepresenting Trump on purpose. I said nothing about Trump's claim as you are falsely acussing me. " I'm also a bit puzzled that Go Tunk thinks that a politician and a hip hop artist's language should be compared at the same level. I did not say that. What's funny to me is you can't tweet a picture of yourself eating a taco bowl, it's an embarrassing stunt, but the article insinuates not liking Jay-Z is anti-black. There's a limitless supply of layers of just completely irrelevant nonsense this season. Did you guys even read that article? I see no misrepresentation. I don't see how they misrepresent something when they quote his exact words. He complains about how the language Jay-z uses is bad and then gloats about how he appeals to African Americans better than Hillary despite every piece of contradictory evidence and then paints a picture about how all African Americans are living in hell. Trump is literally telling you his shitty views. It's not irrelevant, he's still a lying fool, and I can't imagine how you haven't caught on by now. Blacks are worse off in the US which wouldn't be controversial or up for debate if anyone else said it, but if it comes from the mouth of someone you have a visceral hatred for, it becomes possible - and necessary - to find things wrong with it. When 26% of blacks vs. 10% of whites are considered impoverished, 40% on welfare vs 17%, the article proudly states that the majority of African-Americans aren't impoverished as a zinger to refute something Trump said that they wouldn't even directly quote... There's something wrong in the media.
My impression was that the most noteworthy thing was that Trump implied hip hop consists of talking, not singing. It's kind of like going into a black church for black voter outreach and arguing for stop and frisk.
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A nearly weeklong strike by Philadelphia transit workers is ending, just in time for Election Day.
Partial service will resume today, with full service on Tuesday, the transit authority said in a statement.
Bus, trolley and subway lines had been shut down since Tuesday. Early this morning, the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority and the Transport Workers Union Local 234 said they'd managed to come to an tentative agreement.
"After negotiating through the night, bleary-eyed officials from Philadelphia's transit authority and its largest union announced a deal ending the strike," Jim Saksa of member station WHYY reports.
"The agreement came just hours before a judge was set to hear arguments to enjoin the strike during the election," Saksa says. "Officials here were worried that the brutal commutes caused by the strike might keep voters from the polls."
But the union president said that Election Day drama didn't play a part in negotiations, Saksa reports.
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On November 08 2016 05:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +A nearly weeklong strike by Philadelphia transit workers is ending, just in time for Election Day.
Partial service will resume today, with full service on Tuesday, the transit authority said in a statement.
Bus, trolley and subway lines had been shut down since Tuesday. Early this morning, the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority and the Transport Workers Union Local 234 said they'd managed to come to an tentative agreement.
"After negotiating through the night, bleary-eyed officials from Philadelphia's transit authority and its largest union announced a deal ending the strike," Jim Saksa of member station WHYY reports.
"The agreement came just hours before a judge was set to hear arguments to enjoin the strike during the election," Saksa says. "Officials here were worried that the brutal commutes caused by the strike might keep voters from the polls."
But the union president said that Election Day drama didn't play a part in negotiations, Saksa reports. Source
"But the union president said that Election Day drama didn't play a part in negotiations, Saksa reports"
Love it. They intentionally hold a strike when it would do a large amount of damage and cause national attention. But that toooootally wasn't their intent.
If that wasn't there intent they would have suspended their strike for the weekend and Tuesday. Greasy fucks.
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On November 08 2016 05:06 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:01 oBlade wrote:On November 08 2016 04:50 Blisse wrote:On November 08 2016 04:43 oBlade wrote:On November 08 2016 04:33 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 08 2016 04:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 04:20 KwarK wrote:On November 08 2016 04:17 GoTuNk! wrote:On November 08 2016 03:42 Doodsmack wrote:Trump is actually jealous of Clinton that celebrities are shunning him lol...it's like he's not a "star" anymore. And he just can't help but comment on it... Sarasota, Florida (CNN) — Donald Trump on Monday mocked hip-hop music as he once again criticized the performance Jay Z and Beyonce delivered at a rally for Hillary Clinton, asking whether it was "talking or singing."
"The language is so bad and as they were singing -- singing right? Was it talking or singing? Right? But the language was so bad," Trump said Monday during his first of five rallies the day before Election Day.
Trump's apparent criticism of rap and hip-hop comes in spite of the GOP nominee's repeated attempts to appeal to African-American voters during the final months of his campaign. It also comes as Clinton has ramped up get out the vote efforts in recent days by targeting young and African-American voters in particular. CNN CNN is ridiculous, what that article says (or what you are implying) has nothing to do with what he actually convey in the rally. I watched a bit of the rally online and his points were: a) Look this huge stadium is full of people, and more are crowding outside. Hillary has to bring Jay-z for free and even then no one shows up. b) Whenever Trump says bad things he gets berated from everywhere, but Jay-z can say all sorts of bads words with no problem (this was in a half joke/half serious way) If Trump had described his habit of sexually assaulting women as "grabbing them by their no-no parts" it wouldn't be any better. The outrage isn't over the word pussy, it was over "I don't even ask". I'm also a bit puzzled that Go Tunk thinks that a politician and a hip hop artist's language should be compared at the same level. You can like Eminem and think that what he says in his song would be absolutely terrifying if ever heard from the mouth of the POTUS. Read my reply to Kwark, my point was that CNN was misrepresenting Trump on purpose. I said nothing about Trump's claim as you are falsely acussing me. " I'm also a bit puzzled that Go Tunk thinks that a politician and a hip hop artist's language should be compared at the same level. I did not say that. What's funny to me is you can't tweet a picture of yourself eating a taco bowl, it's an embarrassing stunt, but the article insinuates not liking Jay-Z is anti-black. There's a limitless supply of layers of just completely irrelevant nonsense this season. Did you guys even read that article? I see no misrepresentation. I don't see how they misrepresent something when they quote his exact words. He complains about how the language Jay-z uses is bad and then gloats about how he appeals to African Americans better than Hillary despite every piece of contradictory evidence and then paints a picture about how all African Americans are living in hell. Trump is literally telling you his shitty views. It's not irrelevant, he's still a lying fool, and I can't imagine how you haven't caught on by now. Blacks are worse off in the US which wouldn't be controversial or up for debate if anyone else said it, but if it comes from the mouth of someone you have a visceral hatred for, it becomes possible - and necessary - to find things wrong with it. When 26% of blacks vs. 10% of whites are considered impoverished, 40% on welfare vs 17%, the article proudly states that the majority of African-Americans aren't impoverished as a zinger to refute something Trump said that they wouldn't even directly quote... There's something wrong in the media. the most noteworthy thing was that Trump implied hip hop consists of talking, not singing.
I agree, these are the big issues. You have the quote right there, him talking about the specific concert (I just sampled it and he's right, it sounds like talking), and there in the headline, something different. Something similar to what he said, so it's plausible and nobody notices. This is the constant manipulation people have to sift through from professional journalists. What's easier is to take 2 seconds and go wait, suppose he did say that about hip hop, why would anyone care? For any article about anything. Then if you can't think of an answer besides ad money, close it.
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I'm just pointing out that he was making fun of hip hop, which he was. He implied that it should consist of singing, not talking. It was not smart of him to do. One might conclude he was trying to get in a personal jab at Jay Z, because he took Jay Z's support of Hillary as an insult. He's a petty child.
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There's no telling what Trump is going to do after the loss. If he can't win, will he let anyone win?
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US military scientists have used electrical brain stimulators to enhance mental skills of staff, in research that aims to boost the performance of air crews, drone operators and others in the armed forces’ most demanding roles.
The successful tests of the devices pave the way for servicemen and women to be wired up at critical times of duty, so that electrical pulses can be beamed into their brains to improve their effectiveness in high pressure situations.
The brain stimulation kits use five electrodes to send weak electric currents through the skull and into specific parts of the cortex. Previous studies have found evidence that by helping neurons to fire, these minor brain zaps can boost cognitive ability.
The technology is seen as a safer alternative to prescription drugs, such as modafinil and ritalin, both of which have been used off-label as performance enhancing drugs in the armed forces.
But while electrical brain stimulation appears to have no harmful side effects, some experts say its long-term safety is unknown, and raise concerns about staff being forced to use the equipment if it is approved for military operations.
Others are worried about the broader implications of the science on the general workforce because of the advance of an unregulated technology.
In a new report, scientists at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio describe how the performance of military personnel can slump soon after they start work if the demands of the job become too intense.
“Within the air force, various operations such as remotely piloted and manned aircraft operations require a human operator to monitor and respond to multiple events simultaneously over a long period of time,” they write. “With the monotonous nature of these tasks, the operator’s performance may decline shortly after their work shift commences.”
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But in a series of experiments at the air force base, the researchers found that electrical brain stimulation can improve people’s multitasking skills and stave off the drop in performance that comes with information overload. Writing in the journal Frontiers in Human Neuroscience, they say that the technology, known as transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS), has a “profound effect”.
For the study, the scientists had men and women at the base take a test developed by Nasa to assess multitasking skills. The test requires people to keep a crosshair inside a moving circle on a computer screen, while constantly monitoring and responding to three other tasks on the screen.
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It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands.
Thank god Trump is here to actually make you forget you will soon elect Hillary Clinton as president of the united state of america.
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On November 08 2016 05:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +US military scientists have used electrical brain stimulators to enhance mental skills of staff, in research that aims to boost the performance of air crews, drone operators and others in the armed forces’ most demanding roles.
The successful tests of the devices pave the way for servicemen and women to be wired up at critical times of duty, so that electrical pulses can be beamed into their brains to improve their effectiveness in high pressure situations.
The brain stimulation kits use five electrodes to send weak electric currents through the skull and into specific parts of the cortex. Previous studies have found evidence that by helping neurons to fire, these minor brain zaps can boost cognitive ability.
The technology is seen as a safer alternative to prescription drugs, such as modafinil and ritalin, both of which have been used off-label as performance enhancing drugs in the armed forces.
But while electrical brain stimulation appears to have no harmful side effects, some experts say its long-term safety is unknown, and raise concerns about staff being forced to use the equipment if it is approved for military operations.
Others are worried about the broader implications of the science on the general workforce because of the advance of an unregulated technology.
In a new report, scientists at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio describe how the performance of military personnel can slump soon after they start work if the demands of the job become too intense.
“Within the air force, various operations such as remotely piloted and manned aircraft operations require a human operator to monitor and respond to multiple events simultaneously over a long period of time,” they write. “With the monotonous nature of these tasks, the operator’s performance may decline shortly after their work shift commences.”
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But in a series of experiments at the air force base, the researchers found that electrical brain stimulation can improve people’s multitasking skills and stave off the drop in performance that comes with information overload. Writing in the journal Frontiers in Human Neuroscience, they say that the technology, known as transcranial direct current stimulation (tDCS), has a “profound effect”.
For the study, the scientists had men and women at the base take a test developed by Nasa to assess multitasking skills. The test requires people to keep a crosshair inside a moving circle on a computer screen, while constantly monitoring and responding to three other tasks on the screen. Source
Clicky baity baity clicky.
What's he gonna do? The last few pages I've been arguing that what he's doing is dangerously close to seditious but at no point did I ever say it was effective.
How could he actually block the United States government from functioning? I have a great fear of a Trump presidency but it isn't fear that drives me when I think about what he will do if he loses. It's indignation.
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On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:
It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands.
If the "highest chance of commotion" justifies strikes we can as well legalise hostage taking. Strikes shouldn't take precedence over civic activities like voting, especially not in a national election.
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On November 08 2016 05:34 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:
It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. If the "highest chance of commotion" justifies strikes we can as well legalise hostage taking. Strikes shouldn't take precedent over civic activities like voting, especially not in a national election.
That's called the production : if those people have such a high importance in your daily life, then you should respect them maybe. It's not hostage taking if you have the freedom to do something else.
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On November 08 2016 05:36 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:34 Nyxisto wrote:On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:
It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. If the "highest chance of commotion" justifies strikes we can as well legalise hostage taking. Strikes shouldn't take precedent over civic activities like voting, especially not in a national election. That's called the production : if those people have such a high importance in your daily life, then you should respect them maybe. It's not hostage taking if you have the freedom to do something else.
The production is just as important as a functioning government. We actually have those institutions so that we don't start to threaten each other with all of our weight everyday. If we'd do that every nation would stop functioning after a week. Striking is fine if it's proportionate, but disturbing elections is terrible.
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On November 08 2016 05:34 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:
It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. If the "highest chance of commotion" justifies strikes we can as well legalise hostage taking. Strikes shouldn't take precedent over civic activities like voting, especially not in a national election.
That's pretty hyperbolic but I do agree with the idea behind it. That there should be a consequence for disrupting something as important as Americas civic duty. But we will never know what those consequences could be because the city gave in before a judge ruled on it.
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On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. Thank god Trump is here to actually make you forget you will soon elect Hillary Clinton as president of the united state of america.
You seem unaware that a lot of people are actually quite positive about her. Personally I don't expect her to do miracles, and I have a higher opinion of Obama, but I think she has the qualities required to be a good president. She is miles above anyone I can think of in the Republican party, and I agree with most of her platform.
All the wonderful scandals of her have revealed being full of nothing, and all the accusations of corruption are unfounded and unproven. At that point I expect people who come up with their anti Hillary rhetoric to develop a little bit.
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On November 08 2016 05:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. Thank god Trump is here to actually make you forget you will soon elect Hillary Clinton as president of the united state of america. You seem unaware that a lot of people are actually quite positive about her. Personally I don't expect her to do miracles, and I have a higher opinion of Obama, but I think she has the qualities required to be a good president. She is miles above anyone I can think of in the Republican party, and I agree with most of her platform. All the wonderful scandals of her have revealed being full of nothing, and all the accusations of corruption are unfounded and unproven. At that point I expect people who come up with their anti Hillary rhetoric to develop a little bit.
I wouldn't quite say miles. Marco Rubio is a nepotistic little shit but he hasn't done much wrong by us in Florida. But by the grace of god we're voting for Trump or Hillary.
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Disappointed that the leaders in Philadelphia at their poor negotiating skills. Man if Trump were the 4d chess player I had hoped he was during the primary. Certainly fine with chalking this one up to labour though.
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Hey Nyxisto
Journalists from other countries who are covering the election have confronted their own set of challenges. The foreign press corps is low on the food chain during any U.S. presidential race, and perhaps never more so than this one. Since foreign journalists' audiences rarely include U.S. voters, campaigns don't consider them a priority. Access, particularly to Donald Trump's campaign, has been a challenge and a source of frustration. Some journalists have redirected their focus to U.S. voters themselves.
"Americans are not aware of how closely we follow what you guys are doing," says Matthias Kolb, a reporter with the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung. "We are so obsessed with America, it's like the North Star, sort of. There is so much connection and attachment."
How Foreign Journalists Here Try To Explain The U.S. Election Back Home
How would you rate that statement? It's tickling my bullshit-o-meter and sounds like something you say to flatter Americans.
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On November 08 2016 05:45 Wolfstan wrote:
Disappointed that the leaders in Philadelphia at their poor negotiating skills. Man if Trump were the 4d chess player I had hoped he was during the primary. Certainly fine with chalking this one up to labour though.
I'm afraid that while some people were envisioning trump playing 4d chess he was actually just trying to figure out bingo.
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On November 08 2016 05:44 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2016 05:42 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 08 2016 05:30 WhiteDog wrote:It's their right to strike, and their power to actually hold a strike when it has the highest chance to create a commotion and force others into considering their demands. Thank god Trump is here to actually make you forget you will soon elect Hillary Clinton as president of the united state of america. You seem unaware that a lot of people are actually quite positive about her. Personally I don't expect her to do miracles, and I have a higher opinion of Obama, but I think she has the qualities required to be a good president. She is miles above anyone I can think of in the Republican party, and I agree with most of her platform. All the wonderful scandals of her have revealed being full of nothing, and all the accusations of corruption are unfounded and unproven. At that point I expect people who come up with their anti Hillary rhetoric to develop a little bit. I wouldn't quite say miles. Marco Rubio is a nepotistic little shit but he hasn't done much wrong by us in Florida. But by the grace of god we're voting for Trump or Hillary.
Well he's basically a climate change denier, a hardcore pro gun advocate, vowed to repeal Obamacare, wants to confront Iran and was against the nuclear deal, voted against the violence against women act, and had a tax and economic plan just as voodoo and crazy as Trump's.
On top of that he has basically never really achieved anything substantial.
Rubio looks like a likable hero from a mafia movie, but I would have Clinton over him as Potus any day and twice on sunday. She is more qualified, her program makes sense and her positions are moderate.
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