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On November 02 2016 09:46 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 09:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
And yet somehow she gets the loyalty and support of all these people who recognize she's a flawed individual. It's like... she has redeeming qualities or something. Those redeeming qualities would be that she's the chosen of the Establishment and all of these hacks want to retain their influence, power, and other attendant benefits. ...and of course that she's not Trump.
Are you a Trump supporter or a never Clinton?
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On November 02 2016 09:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 09:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault. What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault? it's not that much actual substantive problems. she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good. what else do you want? Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar. Powell: everything she touches is ruined Podesta: bad instincts FBI director: bad judgement Bernie Sanders: bad judgement Other staffers: wtf is she doing Powell: endorsed her Podesta: supports and advises her FBI director: declined to prosecute her Sanders: fully supporting her Other staffers: obviously working for her Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost. It's not a shitpost when he's quoting what these people are saying privately behind Hillary's back, which is far more likely to be honest than the nonsense that they publicly spew.
A stance dismissing anything someone says publicly as nonsense must be very helpful for a Trump supporter.
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On November 02 2016 09:54 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 09:39 oneofthem wrote:
^good judgment: gracious concession and boosting of obama
good at listening
wins over former enemies and critics
etc That's like saying that she showed good judgment by not murdering Obama after losing to him. You need to raise your standards.
um no, they were very active in healing primary damage and trying to do the best for party and cause.
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On November 02 2016 09:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
and how'd she become the chosen of the establishment? she's got ability however you try to dismiss it.
She became the chosen of the establishment because she happened to fuck Bill Clinton at one time or another, marry him, and remain married to him as he rose to power. Bill Clinton is a formidable politician. In stark contrast, Hillary has demonstrated zero political ability on her own merits, which is why she is at risk of losing to a clown like Trump despite having an incredible array of power players struggling to haul her ass over the finish line.
you know who you remind me of xdaunt? charles krauthammer. dude was a legit brilliant writer who 100% deserved his pulitzer. then somehow he went a littly nutty and super rightwing. i guess the different is that at least he's not supporting trump.
I'll take that as a compliment.
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On November 02 2016 09:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 09:41 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 09:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault. What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault? it's not that much actual substantive problems. she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good. what else do you want? Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar. Powell: everything she touches is ruined Podesta: bad instincts FBI director: bad judgement Bernie Sanders: bad judgement Other staffers: wtf is she doing Powell: endorsed her Podesta: supports and advises her FBI director: declined to prosecute her Sanders: fully supporting her Other staffers: obviously working for her Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost. It's not a shitpost when he's quoting what these people are saying privately behind Hillary's back, which is far more likely to be honest than the nonsense that they publicly spew. A stance dismissing anything someone says publicly as nonsense must be very helpful for a Trump supporter.
Lol, given that "he will be kept in check by the system" is an argument that is usually forward by Trump supporters this isn't exactly surprising. The bar for Trump is so low that the system stopping him somehow constitutes an argument in his favour.
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How can they have that much money if they're spending it on a broken robocaller? Sounds more like the kind of thing an out of touch parishioner with next to no funds would do than any well coordinated initiative.
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Don't attribute the bar being low for trump supporters when your candidate has shit judgement corroborated by her own people. The bar has been lowered on both sides, for different reasons. I will concede Trump has shit temperament, which is also an equally valuable trait in a leader.
I will also add that judgement and temperament are not learned traits, and are highly innate.
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Thankfully the Governors of said states understand and believe in Climate Cha-.... Oh yeah.
Beaches in the Southeastern U.S. took a tremendous beating last month from Hurricane Matthew. The U.S. Geological Survey has found that the storm washed over and damaged 15 percent of sand dunes on Florida's Atlantic Coast, 30 percent along Georgia's coastline and 42 percent of the dunes on South Carolina beaches.
In Florida, few coastal areas were hit harder by the hurricane than the 18 miles of dunes and beaches in Flagler County. County Administrator Craig Coffey says, "What Matthew did to us essentially [was] eat about 30 feet of coastline all the way along the county, and created a bunch of breaches through that dune system."
Matthew also washed out a big chunk of coastal highway A1A in Flagler Beach. The state and county are working to have that road repaired and open within 45 days. Fixing that highway is important, Coffey says. But he is equally worried about damage to the county's beaches and dunes, which provide the community with important protection from tides, wave action and storm surge.
When Hurricane Matthew overtopped and breached Flagler County's beaches, some 800 homes were flooded. Coffey says, "We're trying to figure out how can we protect those for next hurricane season so we don't have more breaches. We literally were fighting breaches in about 10 locations." Flagler County is hoping federal money will be available to help it begin restoring the dunes, which provide protection for hundreds of coastal homes.
Many other communities are facing similar problems. The USGS says 53 miles of dunes were damaged and overtopped in Florida. In Georgia, 32 miles of shoreline were affected. Seventy-seven miles of dunes were damaged in South Carolina.
Hilary Stockdon, a research oceanographer at USGS, says a survey of the beaches compared aerial photos taken before and after the storm. It showed extensive beach erosion all along the Southeast Atlantic coast, Stockdon says, "where waves removed sand from beaches and sharply eroded sand dunes. There were locations where houses were undermined or roads were undermined. And we also saw locations where the sand was pushed inland."
After small storms, Stockdon says, beaches and dunes can recover naturally. With major storms like Hurricane Matthew, though, sand is washed inland and bulldozed away, she says. Restoring sand dunes after those events often requires big engineering projects.
Source
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for real though, she is a prime architect for the tpp, the clinton foundation is fairly innovative and shows real engagement with the problem of public-private coordination. her longrange vision of development is good.
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On November 02 2016 10:08 oneofthem wrote:
for real though, she is a prime architect for the tpp, the clinton foundation is fairly innovative and shows real engagement with the problem of public-private coordination. her longrange vision of development is good.
Architect of the TPP is actually going to be viewed as a negative in the current climate.
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On November 02 2016 10:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Thankfully the Governors of said states understand and believe in Climate Cha-.... Oh yeah. Show nested quote +Beaches in the Southeastern U.S. took a tremendous beating last month from Hurricane Matthew. The U.S. Geological Survey has found that the storm washed over and damaged 15 percent of sand dunes on Florida's Atlantic Coast, 30 percent along Georgia's coastline and 42 percent of the dunes on South Carolina beaches.
In Florida, few coastal areas were hit harder by the hurricane than the 18 miles of dunes and beaches in Flagler County. County Administrator Craig Coffey says, "What Matthew did to us essentially [was] eat about 30 feet of coastline all the way along the county, and created a bunch of breaches through that dune system."
Matthew also washed out a big chunk of coastal highway A1A in Flagler Beach. The state and county are working to have that road repaired and open within 45 days. Fixing that highway is important, Coffey says. But he is equally worried about damage to the county's beaches and dunes, which provide the community with important protection from tides, wave action and storm surge.
When Hurricane Matthew overtopped and breached Flagler County's beaches, some 800 homes were flooded. Coffey says, "We're trying to figure out how can we protect those for next hurricane season so we don't have more breaches. We literally were fighting breaches in about 10 locations." Flagler County is hoping federal money will be available to help it begin restoring the dunes, which provide protection for hundreds of coastal homes.
Many other communities are facing similar problems. The USGS says 53 miles of dunes were damaged and overtopped in Florida. In Georgia, 32 miles of shoreline were affected. Seventy-seven miles of dunes were damaged in South Carolina.
Hilary Stockdon, a research oceanographer at USGS, says a survey of the beaches compared aerial photos taken before and after the storm. It showed extensive beach erosion all along the Southeast Atlantic coast, Stockdon says, "where waves removed sand from beaches and sharply eroded sand dunes. There were locations where houses were undermined or roads were undermined. And we also saw locations where the sand was pushed inland."
After small storms, Stockdon says, beaches and dunes can recover naturally. With major storms like Hurricane Matthew, though, sand is washed inland and bulldozed away, she says. Restoring sand dunes after those events often requires big engineering projects. Source
I thought weather was not climate? /sarcasm
Oh, and let's not forget that this was the first major hurricane to hit the US in what, 11 years?
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On November 02 2016 10:00 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 09:57 KwarK wrote:On November 02 2016 09:41 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 09:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault. What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault? it's not that much actual substantive problems. she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good. what else do you want? Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar. Powell: everything she touches is ruined Podesta: bad instincts FBI director: bad judgement Bernie Sanders: bad judgement Other staffers: wtf is she doing Powell: endorsed her Podesta: supports and advises her FBI director: declined to prosecute her Sanders: fully supporting her Other staffers: obviously working for her Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost. It's not a shitpost when he's quoting what these people are saying privately behind Hillary's back, which is far more likely to be honest than the nonsense that they publicly spew. A stance dismissing anything someone says publicly as nonsense must be very helpful for a Trump supporter. Lol, given that "he will be kept in check by the system" is an argument that is usually forward by Trump supporters this isn't exactly surprising. The bar for Trump is so low that the system stopping him somehow constitutes an argument in his favour.
By now you could realize what you're describing is not meant to be an argument for him, but a refutation of the idea that it's in the president's power to deport the New York Times to Gitmo, or whatever alarmist claims like that people make.
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On November 02 2016 10:04 biology]major wrote:
Don't attribute the bar being low for trump supporters when your candidate has shit judgement corroborated by her own people. The bar has been lowered on both sides, for different reasons. I will concede Trump has shit temperament, which is also an equally valuable trait in a leader.
I will also add that judgement and temperament are not learned traits, and are highly innate.
calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say?
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On November 02 2016 10:14 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:04 biology]major wrote:
Don't attribute the bar being low for trump supporters when your candidate has shit judgement corroborated by her own people. The bar has been lowered on both sides, for different reasons. I will concede Trump has shit temperament, which is also an equally valuable trait in a leader.
I will also add that judgement and temperament are not learned traits, and are highly innate. calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say?
Trump has different problems than Hillary. Regardless, there's no reason why we shouldn't shit on both candidates.
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On November 02 2016 10:14 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:04 biology]major wrote:
Don't attribute the bar being low for trump supporters when your candidate has shit judgement corroborated by her own people. The bar has been lowered on both sides, for different reasons. I will concede Trump has shit temperament, which is also an equally valuable trait in a leader.
I will also add that judgement and temperament are not learned traits, and are highly innate. calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say?
Nope, he has good instincts. Most recent example is how he predicted the Weiner scandal right on the money. He has had some crazy predictions in the past as well.
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On November 02 2016 10:11 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:00 Nyxisto wrote:On November 02 2016 09:57 KwarK wrote:On November 02 2016 09:41 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 09:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault. What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault? it's not that much actual substantive problems. she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good. what else do you want? Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar. Powell: everything she touches is ruined Podesta: bad instincts FBI director: bad judgement Bernie Sanders: bad judgement Other staffers: wtf is she doing Powell: endorsed her Podesta: supports and advises her FBI director: declined to prosecute her Sanders: fully supporting her Other staffers: obviously working for her Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost. It's not a shitpost when he's quoting what these people are saying privately behind Hillary's back, which is far more likely to be honest than the nonsense that they publicly spew. A stance dismissing anything someone says publicly as nonsense must be very helpful for a Trump supporter. Lol, given that "he will be kept in check by the system" is an argument that is usually forward by Trump supporters this isn't exactly surprising. The bar for Trump is so low that the system stopping him somehow constitutes an argument in his favour. By now you could realize what you're describing is not meant to be an argument for him, but a refutation of the idea that it's in the president's power to deport the New York Times to Gitmo, or whatever alarmist claims like that people make.
But what does it say about a candidate if this actually needs to be brought up frequently even if he hasn't served a single day in public office?
You've already seen the worst of Hillary, she's the 'evil establishment' TM and had thirty years in power.
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On November 02 2016 09:54 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 09:39 oneofthem wrote:
^good judgment: gracious concession and boosting of obama
good at listening
wins over former enemies and critics
etc That's like saying that she showed good judgment by not murdering Obama after losing to him. You need to raise your standards.
you're literally voting for the guy who threatened to have his political opponent murdered by gun wielding citizens, and also threatened to jail his political opponent.
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On November 02 2016 10:18 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:11 oBlade wrote:On November 02 2016 10:00 Nyxisto wrote:On November 02 2016 09:57 KwarK wrote:On November 02 2016 09:41 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 09:39 ticklishmusic wrote:On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:
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What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault? it's not that much actual substantive problems. she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good. what else do you want? Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar. Powell: everything she touches is ruined Podesta: bad instincts FBI director: bad judgement Bernie Sanders: bad judgement Other staffers: wtf is she doing Powell: endorsed her Podesta: supports and advises her FBI director: declined to prosecute her Sanders: fully supporting her Other staffers: obviously working for her Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost. It's not a shitpost when he's quoting what these people are saying privately behind Hillary's back, which is far more likely to be honest than the nonsense that they publicly spew. A stance dismissing anything someone says publicly as nonsense must be very helpful for a Trump supporter. Lol, given that "he will be kept in check by the system" is an argument that is usually forward by Trump supporters this isn't exactly surprising. The bar for Trump is so low that the system stopping him somehow constitutes an argument in his favour. By now you could realize what you're describing is not meant to be an argument for him, but a refutation of the idea that it's in the president's power to deport the New York Times to Gitmo, or whatever alarmist claims like that people make. But what does it say about a candidate if this actually needs to be brought up frequently even if he hasn't served a single day in public office? You've already seen the worst of Hillary, she's the 'evil establishment' TM and had thirty years in power.
It means nothing about Trump, what it says is that people are caught in a vortex where they've lost perspective to such a degree that they need to be reminded of basic civics. If I had some kind of TV show, every day, like a Daily Show or something, and I went on and constantly listed a bunch of people murdered by the Clintons according to conspiracy theorists, I couldn't take the pile of letters of people telling me to come back to reality as evidence and go "This proves it, why do people keep having to deny the murder charges if nothing happened, what does that tell you" and be taken seriously.
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the development vision im talking about is a focus on governance institutions not just economic investment. democracy and enterprise
this focus on democracy is really at the bottom of why kleptocracies the world over are fearful of her. i would say this attitude would also leverage into domestic transparency and anti-robber baron capitalism.
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On November 02 2016 10:16 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:14 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:04 biology]major wrote:
Don't attribute the bar being low for trump supporters when your candidate has shit judgement corroborated by her own people. The bar has been lowered on both sides, for different reasons. I will concede Trump has shit temperament, which is also an equally valuable trait in a leader.
I will also add that judgement and temperament are not learned traits, and are highly innate. calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say? Nope, he has good instincts. Most recent example is how he predicted the Weiner scandal right on the money. He has had some crazy predictions in the past as well.
hillary predicted rise of populism in europe and u.s. a few years ago. you could say she predicted trump
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