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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 02 2016 00:11 GMT
#117221
As a former teacher of American history, Hamilton exactly everything I love if history as seen through art.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 02 2016 00:13 GMT
#117222
On November 02 2016 09:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 09:06 LegalLord wrote:
On November 02 2016 09:02 Plansix wrote:
On November 02 2016 09:00 LegalLord wrote:
Honestly I found it to be a rather insipid and dull play. Not sure why it was as popular as it was.

Wait, you saw Hamilton? Are you loaded or just happen to see super popular broadway show that are impossible to get tickets for?

I wish. A fair bit of it can be watched online though. It really sort of underwhelmed compared to how much hype I have heard for it in the past year.


it might be one of those you gotta do it live things. broadway seems like it would be.

I have seen plenty of Broadway plays both live and on video. Video is no worse. The issue is just that the premise that it's being praised for just doesn't resonate with me. Like the Lincoln movie I also thought was sucky, it tried to be profound but only managed to be trite while appealing to people who wanted to see something profound in it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
November 02 2016 00:21 GMT
#117223
On November 02 2016 07:14 oneofthem wrote:
it's a democracy, people vote. elites can't win by neglecting broad based interests.

the most powerful asset in politics is still the ability to herd people.

the persecution complex of those who think they are 'The People' might want to honestly think about how their ideas would be received by all the people. simplistic understanding of complex problems is the thing that underlies a lot of anger.

this is not to say a whole lot of power is concentrated in lobbying and complex legislation and regulatory process influence. but the problem with simplistic understanding of complex problems is that you don't have the ability to correctly identify the culprits. and of course, if the problem is seen as simple, then it can easily fit into a conspiratorial view of the world where a select group of people is responsible for all the problems.

Do you think this could be remedied by an effort to better educate and inform people how the political machine generally works or would it be too much effort for people with too little return? Better transparency and all.

I'm not really sure what else to do. Telling people they're too dumb to understand things probably won't go over very well though.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:24:01
November 02 2016 00:22 GMT
#117224
Daniel Day Lewis is covering his ears with his Academy Awards and Golden Globes lalala

Did anyone catch the news about some Dems linked office raided for rigging claims in Philly?
There is no one like you in the universe.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
November 02 2016 00:22 GMT
#117225
speak for yourself, the soundtrack for hamilton is awesome and i can't wait to see it in june
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 02 2016 00:23 GMT
#117226
On November 02 2016 09:13 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 09:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
On November 02 2016 09:06 LegalLord wrote:
On November 02 2016 09:02 Plansix wrote:
On November 02 2016 09:00 LegalLord wrote:
Honestly I found it to be a rather insipid and dull play. Not sure why it was as popular as it was.

Wait, you saw Hamilton? Are you loaded or just happen to see super popular broadway show that are impossible to get tickets for?

I wish. A fair bit of it can be watched online though. It really sort of underwhelmed compared to how much hype I have heard for it in the past year.


it might be one of those you gotta do it live things. broadway seems like it would be.

I have seen plenty of Broadway plays both live and on video. Video is no worse. The issue is just that the premise that it's being praised for just doesn't resonate with me. Like the Lincoln movie I also thought was sucky, it tried to be profound but only managed to be trite while appealing to people who wanted to see something profound in it.


eh, maybe just taste. i liked lincoln.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 02 2016 00:31 GMT
#117227
On November 02 2016 09:22 KOFgokuon wrote:
speak for yourself, the soundtrack for hamilton is awesome and i can't wait to see it in june

I'm so envious.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:38:26
November 02 2016 00:33 GMT
#117228
On November 02 2016 09:21 Dismay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 07:14 oneofthem wrote:
it's a democracy, people vote. elites can't win by neglecting broad based interests.

the most powerful asset in politics is still the ability to herd people.

the persecution complex of those who think they are 'The People' might want to honestly think about how their ideas would be received by all the people. simplistic understanding of complex problems is the thing that underlies a lot of anger.

this is not to say a whole lot of power is concentrated in lobbying and complex legislation and regulatory process influence. but the problem with simplistic understanding of complex problems is that you don't have the ability to correctly identify the culprits. and of course, if the problem is seen as simple, then it can easily fit into a conspiratorial view of the world where a select group of people is responsible for all the problems.

Do you think this could be remedied by an effort to better educate and inform people how the political machine generally works or would it be too much effort for people with too little return? Better transparency and all.

I'm not really sure what else to do. Telling people they're too dumb to understand things probably won't go over very well though.

just do a better job at addressing problems people legit have and hope the majority wins out. the fragmented media environment allows for new forms of official transparency and candor as well, not a full loss.

takes some time for this stuff to heal, having a guy like obama is good. he can do a lot of the communicating.


i really wish the wiki-brookings hillary was her campaign persona, a bit more populist adjusted. she is really pretty considerate and sensible if people give her a chance. the media wont cover her longwinded policy list speeches, she gotta condense it into a play.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 02 2016 00:35 GMT
#117229
On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault.

What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault?

it's not that much actual substantive problems.

she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good.

what else do you want?

Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar.


Powell: everything she touches is ruined
Podesta: bad instincts
FBI director: bad judgement
Bernie Sanders: bad judgement
Other staffers: wtf is she doing
Question.?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:40:17
November 02 2016 00:39 GMT
#117230
On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault.

What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault?

it's not that much actual substantive problems.

she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good.

what else do you want?

Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar.


Powell: everything she touches is ruined
Podesta: bad instincts
FBI director: bad judgement
Bernie Sanders: bad judgement
Other staffers: wtf is she doing


Powell: endorsed her
Podesta: supports and advises her
FBI director: declined to prosecute her
Sanders: fully supporting her
Other staffers: obviously working for her

Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 02 2016 00:39 GMT
#117231
^good judgment: gracious concession and boosting of obama
good at listening
wins over former enemies and critics

etc
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
November 02 2016 00:40 GMT
#117232
On November 02 2016 09:31 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 09:22 KOFgokuon wrote:
speak for yourself, the soundtrack for hamilton is awesome and i can't wait to see it in june

I'm so envious.

The entire soundtrack is available on YT if you want it. The video, less so but a fair bit.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:41:47
November 02 2016 00:41 GMT
#117233
On November 02 2016 09:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:
On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault.

What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault?

it's not that much actual substantive problems.

she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good.

what else do you want?

Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar.


Powell: everything she touches is ruined
Podesta: bad instincts
FBI director: bad judgement
Bernie Sanders: bad judgement
Other staffers: wtf is she doing


Powell: endorsed her
Podesta: supports and advises her
FBI director: declined to prosecute her
Sanders: fully supporting her
Other staffers: obviously working for her

Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost.

It's not a shitpost when he's quoting what these people are saying privately behind Hillary's back, which is far more likely to be honest than the nonsense that they publicly spew.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
November 02 2016 00:41 GMT
#117234
On November 02 2016 09:39 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 09:35 biology]major wrote:
On November 02 2016 09:05 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:45 oneofthem wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:40 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote:
it's basically a very anti-hrc electorate. not really her fault.

What? None of her thirty-year trail of bullshit that is of her own creation is her fault?

it's not that much actual substantive problems.

she's demonstrably attentive and competent. the broad strategy is good. the team is good.

what else do you want?

Let's start with good judgment, which she clearly has no history of exercising while in higher positions of power. Her term as secretary of state was simply bad. Beyond that, a little bit of honesty and little less corruption would go a long away. There's reason why a vast majority of people thinks she's a liar.


Powell: everything she touches is ruined
Podesta: bad instincts
FBI director: bad judgement
Bernie Sanders: bad judgement
Other staffers: wtf is she doing


Powell: endorsed her
Podesta: supports and advises her
FBI director: declined to prosecute her
Sanders: fully supporting her
Other staffers: obviously working for her

Dear sir or madam, I regret to inform you your post is shit, even for a shitpost.


I only addressed the point on judgement, her own people think she has shit judgement. Your shitpost is inferior to mine, get on on my level bro.
Question.?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:45:06
November 02 2016 00:44 GMT
#117235
And yet somehow she gets the loyalty and support of all these people who recognize she's a flawed individual. It's like... she has redeeming qualities or something.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:47:08
November 02 2016 00:46 GMT
#117236
On November 02 2016 09:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
And yet somehow she gets the loyalty and support of all these people who recognize she's a flawed individual. It's like... she has redeeming qualities or something.

Those redeeming qualities would be that she's the chosen of the Establishment and all of these hacks want to retain their influence, power, and other attendant benefits.

...and of course that she's not Trump.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:53:11
November 02 2016 00:52 GMT
#117237
Motherfucker I just got a robocall to vote no on the medical maraijuana amendment. It's 8:51pm.

There was an article on the front page of the paper today about it happening to people Saturday night at 2am, 4am, and 5am due to a cock up.

I really hope we pass the initiative. Not just because it's the right thing to do. As well for a great big fuck you to all the goddamn money from billionaire religious conservatives that live on the other side of the country who are pouring money into Florida politics and telling us how to live.

If I could snap my fingers I'd outlaw that bullshit in a second. If you don't live here, don't tell us how to live. And if you're going to do that anyway, don't call at 9pm or 4am.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 02 2016 00:54 GMT
#117238
On November 02 2016 09:39 oneofthem wrote:
^good judgment: gracious concession and boosting of obama
good at listening
wins over former enemies and critics

etc


That's like saying that she showed good judgment by not murdering Obama after losing to him. You need to raise your standards.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21667 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 00:55:14
November 02 2016 00:54 GMT
#117239
On November 02 2016 09:52 Probe1 wrote:
Motherfucker I just got a robocall to vote no on the medical maraijuana amendment. It's 8:51pm.

There was an article on the front page of the paper today about it happening to people Saturday night at 2am, 4am, and 5am due to a cock up.

I really hope we pass the initiative. Not just because it's the right thing to do. As well for a great big fuck you to all the goddamn money from billionaire religious conservatives that live on the other side of the country who are pouring money into Florida politics and telling us how to live.

If I could snap my fingers I'd outlaw that bullshit in a second. If you don't live here, don't tell us how to live. And if you're going to do that anyway, don't call at 9pm or 4am.


Aren't robocalls illegal Oo
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 02 2016 00:55 GMT
#117240
and how'd she become the chosen of the establishment? she's got ability however you try to dismiss it.

you know who you remind me of xdaunt? charles krauthammer. dude was a legit brilliant writer who 100% deserved his pulitzer. then somehow he went a littly nutty and super rightwing. i guess the different is that at least he's not supporting trump.
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