|
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. |
On November 02 2016 11:13 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 11:10 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 11:07 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:57 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 10:41 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:34 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:16 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:14 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:04 biology]major wrote:
Don't attribute the bar being low for trump supporters when your candidate has shit judgement corroborated by her own people. The bar has been lowered on both sides, for different reasons. I will concede Trump has shit temperament, which is also an equally valuable trait in a leader.
I will also add that judgement and temperament are not learned traits, and are highly innate. calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say? Nope, he has good instincts. Most recent example is how he predicted the Weiner scandal right on the money. He has had some crazy predictions in the past as well. In hindsight, just about every damn thing Trump has done since the primaries has been in bad judgement. All he had to do was SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the Clinton scandals do their thing, but he constantly gets himself into petty squabbles for reasons that no sane campaign team would ever sign off on. Maybe this falls into the shit temperament category since it seems mostly impulsive, but it certainly doesn't look like good judgement either. On November 02 2016 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
Trump has different problems than Hillary. Regardless, there's no reason why we shouldn't shit on both candidates. I am all for shitting on both. I just don't think you should knock on one candidate for a flaw that clearly hinders the other as well :p That is a temperament issue not judgement, and I already conceded he has atrocious temperament. What are your thoughts on the judgment behind going into a black church and arguing for stop and frisk? That shows integrity, he is saying what he believes regardless of his audience. It is the exact opposite of Hillary pretending to like hot sauce or some shit in a black radio show which was painfully cringe. It seems like a political misstep, but he's not a politician so it's not really a big deal. So if I were to tell you that in instances where you say Hillary showed bad judgment, she in fact was just sticking to her guns, that means it wasn't bad judgment? depends on what the action is, he isn't a politician, meaning he speaks the same exact way to everyone. If she was secretary of state for example, and messed up all of her foreign policy conquests, that is evidence of bad judgement. And he lies at all times. Like every word out of his mouth is a lie because he is a con man that will say anything to get elected. Just like he will say anything to close a deal and the screw everyone over who was involved when it fails. He has a long his history of doing so. This time it will be the American people he screws over when the deal doesn't work out the way he wants it.
I'm just going to say that it's true that he lies quite a bit, but in my opinion it is lower than that of HRC. "she lies all the time, every word out of her mouth is a lie because she will say anything to get elected." Couldn't have described her better myself.
|
On November 02 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote:
That shows integrity, he is saying what he believes regardless of his audience. It is the exact opposite of Hillary pretending to like hot sauce or some shit in a black radio show which was painfully cringe. It seems like a political misstep, but he's not a politician so it's not really a big deal.
I don't see how someone being a politician or not makes a mistake more or less of a mistake.
Like, insofar as the end result of their presidency is what matters here, Trump being less experienced doesn't mean him making mistakes any less disastrous. You can't make the argument that we need to be fair to both sides, then subsequently downplay/rationalize Trump's mistakes immediately after calling them out (admittedly, Hillary supporters are guilty of this as well). A fuckup is a fuckup either way.
|
On November 02 2016 11:15 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote:
That shows integrity, he is saying what he believes regardless of his audience. It is the exact opposite of Hillary pretending to like hot sauce or some shit in a black radio show which was painfully cringe. It seems like a political misstep, but he's not a politician so it's not really a big deal.
I don't see how someone being a politician or not makes a mistake more or less of a mistake. Like, insofar as the end result of their presidency is what matters here, Trump being less experienced doesn't mean him making mistakes any less disastrous. A fuckup is a fuckup either way.
How he panders to black voters is completely irrelevant to me, but I can agree with that.
|
He can't pander to black voters, that could involve no longer pandering to his base that fears an influx of minorities to their communities.
|
Maybe he should start carrying around a jar of hot sauce for pandering purposes.
|
United States22883 Posts
On November 02 2016 11:15 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 11:13 Plansix wrote:On November 02 2016 11:10 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 11:07 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:57 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 10:41 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:34 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:16 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:14 Tachion wrote:
[quote]
calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say? Nope, he has good instincts. Most recent example is how he predicted the Weiner scandal right on the money. He has had some crazy predictions in the past as well. In hindsight, just about every damn thing Trump has done since the primaries has been in bad judgement. All he had to do was SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the Clinton scandals do their thing, but he constantly gets himself into petty squabbles for reasons that no sane campaign team would ever sign off on. Maybe this falls into the shit temperament category since it seems mostly impulsive, but it certainly doesn't look like good judgement either. On November 02 2016 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
Trump has different problems than Hillary. Regardless, there's no reason why we shouldn't shit on both candidates. I am all for shitting on both. I just don't think you should knock on one candidate for a flaw that clearly hinders the other as well :p That is a temperament issue not judgement, and I already conceded he has atrocious temperament. What are your thoughts on the judgment behind going into a black church and arguing for stop and frisk? That shows integrity, he is saying what he believes regardless of his audience. It is the exact opposite of Hillary pretending to like hot sauce or some shit in a black radio show which was painfully cringe. It seems like a political misstep, but he's not a politician so it's not really a big deal. So if I were to tell you that in instances where you say Hillary showed bad judgment, she in fact was just sticking to her guns, that means it wasn't bad judgment? depends on what the action is, he isn't a politician, meaning he speaks the same exact way to everyone. If she was secretary of state for example, and messed up all of her foreign policy conquests, that is evidence of bad judgement. And he lies at all times. Like every word out of his mouth is a lie because he is a con man that will say anything to get elected. Just like he will say anything to close a deal and the screw everyone over who was involved when it fails. He has a long his history of doing so. This time it will be the American people he screws over when the deal doesn't work out the way he wants it. I'm just going to say that it's true that he lies quite a bit, but in my opinion it is lower than that of HRC. "she lies all the time, every word out of her mouth is a lie because she will say anything to get elected." Couldn't have described her better myself.
Fundamentally disagree. You can say that she lies about her personal scandals, but her policy arguments are sound and have expert backing. He's lying about policy and specifically things like crime rates to strike fear into voters.
When Hillary and Trump talk numbers (quantitatively measured things), do you really trust the numbers out of Trump's mouth more than hers?
|
If she does like hot sauce is sort of irrelevant. Those who believe she will do anything to get a vote will see it as that and those who think she likes hot sauce continue. The entire thing is basically self selecting.
|
On November 02 2016 11:29 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 11:15 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 11:13 Plansix wrote:On November 02 2016 11:10 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 11:07 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:57 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 10:41 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:34 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:16 biology]major wrote:
[quote]
Nope, he has good instincts. Most recent example is how he predicted the Weiner scandal right on the money. He has had some crazy predictions in the past as well. In hindsight, just about every damn thing Trump has done since the primaries has been in bad judgement. All he had to do was SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the Clinton scandals do their thing, but he constantly gets himself into petty squabbles for reasons that no sane campaign team would ever sign off on. Maybe this falls into the shit temperament category since it seems mostly impulsive, but it certainly doesn't look like good judgement either. On November 02 2016 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
Trump has different problems than Hillary. Regardless, there's no reason why we shouldn't shit on both candidates. I am all for shitting on both. I just don't think you should knock on one candidate for a flaw that clearly hinders the other as well :p That is a temperament issue not judgement, and I already conceded he has atrocious temperament. What are your thoughts on the judgment behind going into a black church and arguing for stop and frisk? That shows integrity, he is saying what he believes regardless of his audience. It is the exact opposite of Hillary pretending to like hot sauce or some shit in a black radio show which was painfully cringe. It seems like a political misstep, but he's not a politician so it's not really a big deal. So if I were to tell you that in instances where you say Hillary showed bad judgment, she in fact was just sticking to her guns, that means it wasn't bad judgment? depends on what the action is, he isn't a politician, meaning he speaks the same exact way to everyone. If she was secretary of state for example, and messed up all of her foreign policy conquests, that is evidence of bad judgement. And he lies at all times. Like every word out of his mouth is a lie because he is a con man that will say anything to get elected. Just like he will say anything to close a deal and the screw everyone over who was involved when it fails. He has a long his history of doing so. This time it will be the American people he screws over when the deal doesn't work out the way he wants it. I'm just going to say that it's true that he lies quite a bit, but in my opinion it is lower than that of HRC. "she lies all the time, every word out of her mouth is a lie because she will say anything to get elected." Couldn't have described her better myself. Fundamentally disagree. You can say that she lies about her personal scandals, but her policy arguments are sound and have expert backing. He's lying about policy and specifically things like crime rates to strike fear into voters.
And lying about a rigged election, which there is zero evidence to support.
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
one of the more serious negative reports on hrc from my perspective is from sarah chayes who worked under general mccrystal in afghanistan. she thought hrc was slow to act on corrosive corruption in the afghan govt and it undermined the mission. overly militarized approach and too much deference to the generals.
but then again, admiral mullen was vetted as vp and hrc has a better understanding of how critical the international fight against corruption is for literally everything. this stuff is something the left could do real work on, a genuine 99.9% vs 0.1% issue.
lol thx to wikileaks u can see she understands the issue now and mullen has a respected input
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/19058
|
Has this been posted yet? Man trump is just a mess, can we start calling him derpy donald?
Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."
The former intelligence officer says the response from the FBI was "shock and horror." The FBI, after receiving the first memo, did not immediately request additional material, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates. Yet in August, they say, the FBI asked him for all information in his possession and for him to explain how the material had been gathered and to identify his sources. The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos—some of which referred to members of Trump's inner circle. After that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. "It's quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry going on," he says.
"This is something of huge significance, way above party politics," the former intelligence officer comments. "I think [Trump's] own party should be aware of this stuff as well."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump
|
|
|
Sweden33723 Posts
On November 02 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 10:57 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 10:41 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:34 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:16 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:14 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:04 biology]major wrote:
Don't attribute the bar being low for trump supporters when your candidate has shit judgement corroborated by her own people. The bar has been lowered on both sides, for different reasons. I will concede Trump has shit temperament, which is also an equally valuable trait in a leader.
I will also add that judgement and temperament are not learned traits, and are highly innate. calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say? Nope, he has good instincts. Most recent example is how he predicted the Weiner scandal right on the money. He has had some crazy predictions in the past as well. In hindsight, just about every damn thing Trump has done since the primaries has been in bad judgement. All he had to do was SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the Clinton scandals do their thing, but he constantly gets himself into petty squabbles for reasons that no sane campaign team would ever sign off on. Maybe this falls into the shit temperament category since it seems mostly impulsive, but it certainly doesn't look like good judgement either. On November 02 2016 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
Trump has different problems than Hillary. Regardless, there's no reason why we shouldn't shit on both candidates. I am all for shitting on both. I just don't think you should knock on one candidate for a flaw that clearly hinders the other as well :p That is a temperament issue not judgement, and I already conceded he has atrocious temperament. What are your thoughts on the judgment behind going into a black church and arguing for stop and frisk? That shows integrity, he is saying what he believes regardless of his audience. It is the exact opposite of Hillary pretending to like hot sauce or some shit in a black radio show which was painfully cringe. It seems like a political misstep, but he's not a politician so it's not really a big deal.
On November 02 2016 11:15 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 11:13 Plansix wrote:On November 02 2016 11:10 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 11:07 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 11:02 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:57 Doodsmack wrote:On November 02 2016 10:41 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:34 Tachion wrote:On November 02 2016 10:16 biology]major wrote:On November 02 2016 10:14 Tachion wrote:
[quote]
calling out Hillary for bad judgement while supporting Trump is pretty akin to throwing stones in a glass house wouldn't you say? Nope, he has good instincts. Most recent example is how he predicted the Weiner scandal right on the money. He has had some crazy predictions in the past as well. In hindsight, just about every damn thing Trump has done since the primaries has been in bad judgement. All he had to do was SHUT THE FUCK UP and let the Clinton scandals do their thing, but he constantly gets himself into petty squabbles for reasons that no sane campaign team would ever sign off on. Maybe this falls into the shit temperament category since it seems mostly impulsive, but it certainly doesn't look like good judgement either. On November 02 2016 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
Trump has different problems than Hillary. Regardless, there's no reason why we shouldn't shit on both candidates. I am all for shitting on both. I just don't think you should knock on one candidate for a flaw that clearly hinders the other as well :p That is a temperament issue not judgement, and I already conceded he has atrocious temperament. What are your thoughts on the judgment behind going into a black church and arguing for stop and frisk? That shows integrity, he is saying what he believes regardless of his audience. It is the exact opposite of Hillary pretending to like hot sauce or some shit in a black radio show which was painfully cringe. It seems like a political misstep, but he's not a politician so it's not really a big deal. So if I were to tell you that in instances where you say Hillary showed bad judgment, she in fact was just sticking to her guns, that means it wasn't bad judgment? depends on what the action is, he isn't a politician, meaning he speaks the same exact way to everyone. If she was secretary of state for example, and messed up all of her foreign policy conquests, that is evidence of bad judgement. And he lies at all times. Like every word out of his mouth is a lie because he is a con man that will say anything to get elected. Just like he will say anything to close a deal and the screw everyone over who was involved when it fails. He has a long his history of doing so. This time it will be the American people he screws over when the deal doesn't work out the way he wants it. I'm just going to say that it's true that he lies quite a bit, but in my opinion it is lower than that of HRC. "she lies all the time, every word out of her mouth is a lie because she will say anything to get elected." Couldn't have described her better myself.
How do you go from "he has integrity" to "I'll agree he lies quite a bit" in the span of two posts?
Also, he's running for president. How is he not a politician at this point? At what point does that excuse wear out?
It's like hiring a non lawyer to represent you and then when he makes mistakes you just go "It's okay, he's not a lawyer" as if that's a good thing?
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
the fbi denies any criminal ties there right now. note the modifier.
it isnt ripe for the fbi to do much. other more proactive agencies might want a closer look tho
|
On November 02 2016 11:44 oneofthem wrote:
the fbi denies any criminal ties there right now. note the modifier.
it isnt ripe for the fbi to do much. other more proactive agencies might want a closer look tho
Honestly I feel like there's much more of a scandal there than with Hillary's emails, so it's a bit saddening to see the FBI pull their partisan crap this past week but completely ignore this.
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 02 2016 11:48 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 11:44 oneofthem wrote:
the fbi denies any criminal ties there right now. note the modifier.
it isnt ripe for the fbi to do much. other more proactive agencies might want a closer look tho Honestly I feel like there's much more of a scandal there than with Hillary's emails, so it's a bit saddening to see the FBI pull their partisan crap this past week but completely ignore this.
trump is not in govt yet so different much higher standards apply. him having financial transactions with the favorite bank of russian oligarchs is a political scandal but it isnt criminal
|
On November 02 2016 11:51 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2016 11:48 hunts wrote:On November 02 2016 11:44 oneofthem wrote:
the fbi denies any criminal ties there right now. note the modifier.
it isnt ripe for the fbi to do much. other more proactive agencies might want a closer look tho Honestly I feel like there's much more of a scandal there than with Hillary's emails, so it's a bit saddening to see the FBI pull their partisan crap this past week but completely ignore this. trump is not in govt yet so different much higher standards apply. him having financial transactions with the favorite bank of russian oligarchs is a political scandal but it isnt criminal
I guess that's true. I'm honestly just mad that someone as blatantly incompetent as derpy donald actually has a chance at becoming president. It honestly boggles my mind how anyone can look at the things he has said and done and not legitimately be scared of giving that kind of man power. Like if the election was trump vs Hitlers zombie, I would vote for Hitler because I think even he would cause less harm to the country than donald probably will.
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
i mean it is just such irony that hillary haters go on and on about corruption when trump is the literal embodiment of global kleptocracy migrating and infiltrating the west. especially wikileaks et al anti-government activists.
newsflash morons, how do you fight this incredibly corrosive and unjust phenomenon without international governmental institutions and laws?
|
United States22883 Posts
Remember the good old days when we used to talk about Keynesian vs. Neo-classical vs. Austrian economics?
Whatever happened to that? Now all I see are emotional arguments for protectionism. That's by far my biggest disappointment with Hillary - abandoning support for the TPP.
Economists might be the biggest losers this election. Voters don't value their input anymore, nor do politicians (publicly.)
|
Quick, somewhat OT, question for y'all: what's the likelihood that the residential real estate market shits itself on a national level over the next six-twelve months, and does the victory of Trump or Hillary alter that likelihood?
|
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 02 2016 12:18 Jibba wrote:
Remember the good old days when we used to talk about Keynesian vs. Neo-classical vs. Austrian economics?
Whatever happened to that? Now all I see are emotional arguments for protectionism. That's by far my biggest disappointment with Hillary - abandoning support for the TPP.
yes, but it is barry's job to pass it. her lack of...conviction? to argue for her actual politics is troubling tho. if she was more open about how she thinks it would be easier for her to handle the wikileaks stuff
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
