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On November 01 2016 21:45 biology]major wrote: going 6/6 plus NH and Maine was a miracle plan pre FBI revelations, and isn't the case anymore. The electoral map will be unpredictable going into Nov 8, and will be interesting to see what happens but blues will be turning red, that is for sure.
All 6 are now in play but the firewall is still holding strong, for now. The last few days have been a disaster, that's for sure, but I'm hoping the current polls reflect the nadir for this latest iteration of emailghazi. We've seen the race narrow and then return to the default Clinton lead a few times now and my hope is that this is just that happening again.
Given the undisputed facts we know about her use of private emails — nothing was illegal, nothing was hidden, nothing was labeled classified, there was no evidence of hacking and there’s ample precedent — we can see why most people polled and about eight in 10 Democrats agree with presidential rival Bernie Sanders when he said: “People are sick of hearing about Clinton’s damn emails.”
Davis served as special counsel to former President Clinton. He is co-founder of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper PLLC and co-founder of the public relations firm Trident DMG, and author of “Crisis Tales: Five Rules for Coping with Crises in Business, Politics, and Life.”
Given the undisputed facts we know about her use of private emails — nothing was illegal, nothing was hidden, nothing was labeled classified, there was no evidence of hacking and there’s ample precedent — we can see why most people polled and about eight in 10 Democrats agree with presidential rival Bernie Sanders when he said: “People are sick of hearing about Clinton’s damn emails.”
Davis served as special counsel to former President Clinton. He is co-founder of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper PLLC and co-founder of the public relations firm Trident DMG, and author of “Crisis Tales: Five Rules for Coping with Crises in Business, Politics, and Life.”
At some point most Hillary supporters on this forum will take an honesty step, from "there is nothing wrong about the emails" to simply "we don't care what she did, we want to win anyway"
Given the undisputed facts we know about her use of private emails — nothing was illegal, nothing was hidden, nothing was labeled classified, there was no evidence of hacking and there’s ample precedent — we can see why most people polled and about eight in 10 Democrats agree with presidential rival Bernie Sanders when he said: “People are sick of hearing about Clinton’s damn emails.”
Davis served as special counsel to former President Clinton. He is co-founder of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper PLLC and co-founder of the public relations firm Trident DMG, and author of “Crisis Tales: Five Rules for Coping with Crises in Business, Politics, and Life.”
At some point most Hillary supporters on this forum will take an honesty step, from "there is nothing wrong about the emails" to simply "we don't care what she did, we want to win anyway"
Are you suggesting that we have her emails talking about her plans or is this more unverified stuff other people send each other that might or might not be relevant to Clinton?
Ahaha, I was expecting the personal attacks from the usual tag team, but I have to say that the O'Keefe comparison was... unexpected :p
On November 01 2016 01:30 LegalLord wrote: strawmanning every position and making a tangential argument, taking shit out of context (both from me and from your sources), grudge-collecting, and over-citing. Everything that makes a kwizach post a kwizach post, all in one convenient package.
I'm sure you know from experience, but I think it warrants mentioning that I don't plan on responding. I'm sure that the individual topics will come up again and perhaps I'll respond then if someone more reasonable makes the argument.
All of that is false, and you probably know it. I addressed all of your points as you made them and in context -- in fact, I made sure to provide all of the required context each time, sometimes by including in the quotes passages I had also already addressed elsewhere. I included relevant references both to support my points and to allow people who might want to look further into some issues to easily do so. You're obviously free not to respond, but I just think it's too bad that you've chosen to systematically take the route of inventing imaginary and deceptive grievances to disqualify my posts (exactly like when I debunked your ridiculously false claim about CEE states being forced into NATO) in order to find an excuse to avoid addressing their content, instead of simply saying something along the lines of "I disagree but I do not wish to take the time to respond" (or ignoring me altogether). As I demonstrated at length, your post contained a litany of inaccuracies, misrepresentations and falsehoods, and your larger points rested on caricatures and a lack of knowledge about NATO. Anyone familiar with these issues would recognize this immediately, but it was worth explaining for those who aren't. Anyway, if you don't want to engage on substance, there is no need to reply.
By the way, since the link was easy to miss in my long post, I thought I'd re-post this survey of 700+ US scholars in international relations on the presidential candidates: click here.
Given the undisputed facts we know about her use of private emails — nothing was illegal, nothing was hidden, nothing was labeled classified, there was no evidence of hacking and there’s ample precedent — we can see why most people polled and about eight in 10 Democrats agree with presidential rival Bernie Sanders when he said: “People are sick of hearing about Clinton’s damn emails.”
Davis served as special counsel to former President Clinton. He is co-founder of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper PLLC and co-founder of the public relations firm Trident DMG, and author of “Crisis Tales: Five Rules for Coping with Crises in Business, Politics, and Life.”
At some point most Hillary supporters on this forum will take an honesty step, from "there is nothing wrong about the emails" to simply "we don't care what she did, we want to win anyway"
Are you suggesting that we have her emails talking about her plans or is this more unverified stuff other people send each other that might or might not be relevant to Clinton?
I'm suggesting that if there was an email that read:
"From: Hillary Clinton To: John podesta
Subpoena about to come out, hire the guy to delete the emails and axe my laptop just to be sure"
You would still vote and support Hillary. Or is that not the case?
Given the undisputed facts we know about her use of private emails — nothing was illegal, nothing was hidden, nothing was labeled classified, there was no evidence of hacking and there’s ample precedent — we can see why most people polled and about eight in 10 Democrats agree with presidential rival Bernie Sanders when he said: “People are sick of hearing about Clinton’s damn emails.”
Davis served as special counsel to former President Clinton. He is co-founder of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper PLLC and co-founder of the public relations firm Trident DMG, and author of “Crisis Tales: Five Rules for Coping with Crises in Business, Politics, and Life.”
At some point most Hillary supporters on this forum will take an honesty step, from "there is nothing wrong about the emails" to simply "we don't care what she did, we want to win anyway"
Firstly, I really don't care what she did, I want her to win anyway. Don't take my view that she most likely didn't do anything really wrong as a suggestion that I care, she could have received emails from the Supreme Court, all members, alive and dead, CCing Harambe, instructing her that she must absolutely not, under any circumstances, delete any emails, and then deleted that email and I'd still prefer her over Trump. The extent of my support for Hillary over Trump goes far, far beyond "don't care, want her to win anyway". If I learned that she encouraged pregnant women to have late term abortions so she could eat the fetuses, don't care, want her to win anyway. Now that doesn't mean I think there is any substance to this latest emailghazi, I don't, it just means that for me emails aren't the deciding factor in this election.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:57 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> wrote:
> On another matter....and not to sound like Lanny, but we are going to have > to dump all those emails so better to do so sooner than later
You know this email was sent three months after they handed over the personal server work emails and did the deleting, right? Or did you forget the deletion/withholding of the relevant emails happened in December 2014?
In fact, this is almost certainly referring to Clinton's early March (March 5th) decision to ask to the State Department to release to the public all the emails she handed over-that's the "dumping" here. So in conclusion, you need to do some googling and wikipedia'ing before posting garbage.
Given the undisputed facts we know about her use of private emails — nothing was illegal, nothing was hidden, nothing was labeled classified, there was no evidence of hacking and there’s ample precedent — we can see why most people polled and about eight in 10 Democrats agree with presidential rival Bernie Sanders when he said: “People are sick of hearing about Clinton’s damn emails.”
Davis served as special counsel to former President Clinton. He is co-founder of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper PLLC and co-founder of the public relations firm Trident DMG, and author of “Crisis Tales: Five Rules for Coping with Crises in Business, Politics, and Life.”
At some point most Hillary supporters on this forum will take an honesty step, from "there is nothing wrong about the emails" to simply "we don't care what she did, we want to win anyway"
Firstly, I really don't care what she did, I want her to win anyway. Don't take my view that she most likely didn't do anything really wrong as a suggestion that I care, she could have received emails from the Supreme Court, all members, alive and dead, CCing Harambe, instructing her that she must absolutely not, under any circumstances, delete any emails, and then deleted that email and I'd still prefer her over Trump. The extent of my support for Hillary over Trump goes far, far beyond "don't care, want her to win anyway". If I learned that she encouraged pregnant women to have late term abortions so she could eat the fetuses, don't care, want her to win anyway. Now that doesn't mean I think there is any substance to this latest emailghazi, I don't, it just means that for me emails aren't the deciding factor in this election.
the real change in the relationship between u.s. and russia is russia, something that a u.s. centric perspective on the foreign policy left can't really see.
Nettles has posted so many sources proven to be trash, that I pretty much just disregard them automatically now. It's better to put forth your best cases, rather than putting forth everything including very weak and disprovable ones. Much like the complaints about how some BLM people include in their rhetoric the cases where the dead guy really was doing something quite bad, instead of focusing entirely on the cases where the police unequivocally did something wrong. Putting forth your strongest cases, and not pushing the weak ones, makes your argument more successful overall.
As another clarification: it's a boy who cried wolf situation.
Given the undisputed facts we know about her use of private emails — nothing was illegal, nothing was hidden, nothing was labeled classified, there was no evidence of hacking and there’s ample precedent — we can see why most people polled and about eight in 10 Democrats agree with presidential rival Bernie Sanders when he said: “People are sick of hearing about Clinton’s damn emails.”
Davis served as special counsel to former President Clinton. He is co-founder of the law firm of Davis Goldberg & Galper PLLC and co-founder of the public relations firm Trident DMG, and author of “Crisis Tales: Five Rules for Coping with Crises in Business, Politics, and Life.”
At some point most Hillary supporters on this forum will take an honesty step, from "there is nothing wrong about the emails" to simply "we don't care what she did, we want to win anyway"
Firstly, I really don't care what she did, I want her to win anyway. Don't take my view that she most likely didn't do anything really wrong as a suggestion that I care, she could have received emails from the Supreme Court, all members, alive and dead, CCing Harambe, instructing her that she must absolutely not, under any circumstances, delete any emails, and then deleted that email and I'd still prefer her over Trump. The extent of my support for Hillary over Trump goes far, far beyond "don't care, want her to win anyway". If I learned that she encouraged pregnant women to have late term abortions so she could eat the fetuses, don't care, want her to win anyway. Now that doesn't mean I think there is any substance to this latest emailghazi, I don't, it just means that for me emails aren't the deciding factor in this election.
Well, you wouldn't be the only one in the "I would literally take Hitler if it means we can defeat Trump" camp. Problem is that close to half the country feels the same about Hillary so we have this insane downward spiral.
EPT
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