EPTit's a policy and competence issue.
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
it's a policy and competence issue. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:47 LegalLord wrote: So here's a quick thought experiment for all you diehard Hillary supporters. Suppose you don't have access to early voting, so you have to go vote on Election Day. No escape clauses - you can't stay home, vote third party, and the two candidates will not be removed from the running no matter what (even if convicted of genocide etc). It's Clinton vs Trump, full stop. What could come out in the next week that would make you vote Trump? I'd say if she bankrolled genocide for personal gain I probably would. | ||
KwarK
United States43671 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:47 LegalLord wrote: So here's a quick thought experiment for all you diehard Hillary supporters. Suppose you don't have access to early voting, so you have to go vote on Election Day. No escape clauses - you can't stay home, vote third party, and the twocandidates will not be removed from the running no matter what (even if convicted of genocide etc). It's Clinton vs Trump, full stop. What could come out in the next week that would make you vote Trump? Honestly I don't know. Nothing relating to her personal character or morality would do it, this election is bigger than the next 4 years. If it emerged she had deliberately destroyed evidence relating to Bill's rapes, for example, I'd still vote against Trump. The alt right in America is fundamentally dangerous and needs to be opposed. It is the civic and moral duty of every upstanding American to resist the rise of fascism within their country. We are given such a low bar of obligation to meet, we don't need to be like the Germans who willingly went to the camps rather than grant their consent to dictatorship, the level of bravery needed here is minuscule. The alt right must be stopped. It's as simple as that. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:50 SoSexy wrote: Totally non sequitur. I wonder why do I even still post in this thread... Definitely don't post to try to persuade queen worshipers. However, we could use more shitposting on the right to balance the snark out. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:47 LegalLord wrote: So here's a quick thought experiment for all you diehard Hillary supporters. Suppose you don't have access to early voting, so you have to go vote on Election Day. No escape clauses - you can't stay home, vote third party, and the two candidates will not be removed from the running no matter what (even if convicted of genocide etc). It's Clinton vs Trump, full stop. What could come out in the next week that would make you vote Trump? Literally nothing could get me to vote for Trump. At worst I wouldn't vote for Hillary. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:03 GoTuNk! wrote: At some point most Hillary supporters on this forum will take an honesty step, from "there is nothing wrong about the emails" to simply "we don't care what she did, we want to win anyway" let's be real, that was a long long time ago. just like so many people won't acknowledge how incredibly fucked up it is for her to get debate questions ahead of time. | ||
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KwarK
United States43671 Posts
The only thing about you that makes me nervous is the state of democracy when people like you get a vote. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:47 LegalLord wrote: So here's a quick thought experiment for all you diehard Hillary supporters. Suppose you don't have access to early voting, so you have to go vote on Election Day. No escape clauses - you can't stay home, vote third party, and the two candidates will not be removed from the running no matter what (even if convicted of genocide etc). It's Clinton vs Trump, full stop. What could come out in the next week that would make you vote Trump? Hilary goes on a shooting spree killing 2-3000 citizens and is stopped by a sniper shot by trump fully televised live by 3-5 news sources followed by trump liquidating his entire bank account and giving it to charity. | ||
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KwarK
United States43671 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:55 travis wrote: let's be real, that was a long long time ago. just like so many people won't acknowledge how incredibly fucked up it is for her to get debate questions ahead of time. It'd be fucked up if the companies running the debates had deliberately coordinated with the Clinton campaign to rig the debates. However if I were an individual working at one of those companies I would torpedo my career in a heartbeat if I felt like it would give Clinton an edge. The stakes are high. | ||
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KwarK
United States43671 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:58 Thieving Magpie wrote: Hilary goes on a shooting spree killing 2-3000 citizens and is stopped by a sniper shot by trump fully televised live by 3-5 news sources followed by trump liquidating his entire bank account and giving it to charity. Gotta be honest here, I'm ticking that box next to Clinton. She'll get impeached but at least we'll keep Trump out. | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:53 KwarK wrote: Honestly I don't know. Nothing relating to her personal character or morality would do it, this election is bigger than the next 4 years. If it emerged she had deliberately destroyed evidence relating to Bill's rapes, for example, I'd still vote against Trump. The alt right in America is fundamentally dangerous and needs to be opposed. It is the civic and moral duty of every upstanding American to resist the rise of fascism within their country. We are given such a low bar of obligation to meet, we don't need to be like the Germans who willingly went to the camps rather than grant their consent to dictatorship, the level of bravery needed here is minuscule. The alt right must be stopped. It's as simple as that. Tbh, finding out that both candidates of choice supported sexual assault doesn't really change the vote as much as make them more equal, and so you vote party lines instead. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7992 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:47 LegalLord wrote: So here's a quick thought experiment for all you diehard Hillary supporters. Suppose you don't have access to early voting, so you have to go vote on Election Day. No escape clauses - you can't stay home, vote third party, and the two candidates will not be removed from the running no matter what (even if convicted of genocide etc). It's Clinton vs Trump, full stop. What could come out in the next week that would make you vote Trump? Brain damage? | ||
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zeo
Serbia6336 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:56 KwarK wrote: The only thing about you that makes me nervous is the state of democracy when people like you get a vote. 'People that don't agree with me shouldn't get to vote' 'I'm concerned about the rise of fascism in America' It's like that Jonny Depp movie where he realises he was the killer all along. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:51 zeo wrote: No need to be so nervous around me Kwark. Except trump never sold out American interests to foreign powers. Throwing around buzzword rhetoric does nothing to help Clinton either. 'Trump lacks basic knowledge so vote for the person that thinks you can wipe a hard-drive with a cloth'. I'm not even sure 'preparedness' is a word but even so Clinton probably already has a certificate from a study group you can join to 'prepare' someone to become president. /s You only have an assumption that Hillary sold out those interests. And Trump has a track record of doing whatever it takes with respect to government and corruption to serve his own interests. His track record in business is one of looking out for NOBODY but himself. That all points to him being likely to be corrupt as a politician, just not having had a chance to be so yet. And you didn't actually address the knowledge and preparedness issue there. The hard drive and cloth thing is just you talking about emails and cybersecurity, not a more basic lack of knowledge. The focus group thing does not speak to basic knowledge about governance or willingness to learn. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:51 Danglars wrote: Nonsense. They're mostly disgusted with both major party candidates with no particular bias towards Bernie. WaPo had a good peek into motivations. i did say both sides. the split on the right is just not that interesting. it's a group of privileged dicks getting turned off by the crass nationalists and whatnot. | ||
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KwarK
United States43671 Posts
On November 02 2016 00:04 zeo wrote: 'People that don't agree with me shouldn't get to vote' 'I'm concerned about the rise of fascism in America' It's like that Jonny Depp movie where he realises he was the killer all along. I don't want to take away your vote. It's just a sorry state of affairs when someone can reach adulthood with such a poor understanding of the world as you have. Working democracy relies upon education and clearly you have been horribly let down in that regard. You're an example of how much work we have left to do. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 01 2016 23:47 LegalLord wrote: So here's a quick thought experiment for all you diehard Hillary supporters. Suppose you don't have access to early voting, so you have to go vote on Election Day. No escape clauses - you can't stay home, vote third party, and the two candidates will not be removed from the running no matter what (even if convicted of genocide etc). It's Clinton vs Trump, full stop. What could come out in the next week that would make you vote Trump? i'm not a diehard hillary supporter, so I suppose I shouldn't have answered, but oh well, i've already made an answer so might as well post it (this sentence was typed AFTER the rest) Why no escape clauses? that seems dumb, since in reality there are in fact escape clauses. if Clinton became unselectable to me, my next choice would be to vote Johnson. an indictment for a felony would probably be sufficient for that. (depending on a review of the evidence, after all enough evidence to sustain an indictment is a far cry from enough to convict) In order to make me vote trump, given how unfit he is for the office, it'd need to be something awfully damning, as i'd be far more likely to not vote than to vote for someone unfit for office; or to not vote and call for impeachment or somesuch. I suppose proof that hillary committed murder, would be sufficient to make me prefer trump to hillary. I still probably wouldn't vote FOR him as he's still unfit for office. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
I honestly don't care anymore to be honest, if Trump manages to win tens of billions will be wiped out in the US stock market by morning after the result and the economy will tank later on. A country has to burn to ground to becomes a better one I guess, just look at Germany and France. After that the GOP will probably never be in power again after Trump tries to shut down media and newspapers and I guarantee you his White House will have an enemy list which will surface. TLDR: Fuck all of this. Trump is a fascist and Clinton is a dipshit egomaniac whose sole goal is to become President because it beats therapy. Sorry world. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 02 2016 00:08 zlefin wrote: Why no escape clauses? that seems dumb, since in reality there are in fact escape clauses. Because the entire purpose is to see what it would take for said Hillary supporters to be so turned off from her that they would vote for Trump. Like, how bad does it have to be for them to actually tick off Trump in the ballot booth because Hillary was bad enough. Also, the Wiener is at it again (the Onion). | ||
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