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Sermokala
United States14194 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Public transportation workers in Philadelphia went on strike at midnight on Monday after they were unable to reach a contract agreement with the transit system that provides almost one million rides a day in and around the fifth largest U.S. city. Some 4,700 workers represented by the Transport Workers Union Local 234 went on strike after their contract with Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA) expired, the transit system said in a statement. The strike will shut down bus and most trolley routes in Philadelphia, leaving hundreds of thousands of workers and students to find different ways to get to their jobs and schools on Tuesday. “We ask everyone to be prepared for very crowded trains and travel inconveniences,” SEPTA said on its website. The School District of Philadelphia said late on Monday night that all of its schools would remain open and students and employees were expected to report to work and school on Tuesday. About 60,000 public, private and charter school students use the public transportation system each day, local media reported. The contract expired at midnight on Monday after, union members and system officials were unable to reach an agreement over health care benefits, pensions and issues involving worker conditions, local media reported. The strike drew concerns from city officials over what interrupted public transit could potentially mean for voters on Election Day when they go to the polls next Tuesday to elect the next U.S. president. “We’ve always had difficulty, on a good day, to be able to have enough support to move people to polling places,” City Council President Darrell Clarke told PhillyVoice.com. “So if there is not public transportation we will clearly have a problem.” Source | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4439 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On November 01 2016 20:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well the ABC poll that had Trump down by 12 a touch over a week ago now has him leading by one.I'll say it again these polls are a joke. The rats are just jumping ship and covering their asses. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
fact of the matter is, when you develop this intensely negative image of hrc + set out revolution as the grand objective, it will have lasting damage. the same propaganda producing outlets on the left has continued to do anti-hrc material all this time, and yet we are supposed to just accept that this is not a problem. https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/e92ctqi496/econTabReport.pdf#page12 pg14 | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 01 2016 21:15 oneofthem wrote: lol hrc's problem is almost entirely with the left flank. the bernie supporters have not backed her, floating at 70%. this is about what i expected. furthermore, this group is just very susceptible to negative campaigning vs clinton. fact of the matter is, when you develop this intensely negative image of hrc + set out revolution as the grand objective, it will have lasting damage. the same propaganda producing outlets on the left has continued to do anti-hrc material all this time, and yet we are supposed to just accept that this is not a problem. I am pretty certain that most pro-hillary posters in the past 100-200 pages (and I assume even more than that) have continually pointed out how problematic the BernieBros are at wanting to slice off their nose in order to spite their face. To them, they would rather regress all American progress than to ever pick a woman president. I mean, many of them that this is the better candidate: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4vy2va/now_jill_stein_thinks_wifi_might_be_hurting_kids/ They aren't thinking straight. Willing to go against science, progress, and reason just to be able to say "Ha! I did not vote for Clinton!" Its really sad for the most part. Like, depressingly so. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9244 Posts
On November 01 2016 21:24 Thieving Magpie wrote: I am pretty certain that most pro-hillary posters in the past 100-200 pages (and I assume even more than that) have continually pointed out how problematic the BernieBros are at wanting to slice off their nose in order to spite their face. To them, they would rather regress all American progress than to ever pick a woman president. Being a woman has 0 to do with why she lost some Bernie supporters, where are you getting that idea?. A more sincere take would be that they'd rather gamble that Trump can't do too much damage in office than to support the person which they feel cheated their candidate. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 01 2016 21:43 Dan HH wrote: Being a woman has 0 to do with why she lost some Bernie supporters, where are you getting that idea?. A more sincere take would be that they'd rather gamble that Trump can't do too much damage in office than to support the person which they feel cheated their candidate. Then I guess its because Bernie supporters don't like an increase in minimum wage, education reform, healthcare reform, banking reform, citizens united reform, etc... So which one is it? | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9244 Posts
On November 01 2016 21:50 Thieving Magpie wrote: Then I guess its because Bernie supporters don't like an increase in minimum wage, education reform, healthcare reform, banking reform, citizens united reform, etc... So which one is it? Neither? I've just told you it's a grudge due to how the primary went down, and even that is an oversimplification. It's a false dichotomy to suggest that the only options are not liking the things she promises or misogyny. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 01 2016 22:01 Dan HH wrote: Neither? I've just told you it's a grudge due to how the primary went down. It's a false dichotomy to suggest that the only options are not liking the things she promises or misogyny. So they would rather vote for the candidates least likely to get what they want... out of pride? That's almost worst  | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 01 2016 21:45 biology]major wrote: going 6/6 plus NH and Maine was a miracle plan pre FBI revelations, and isn't the case anymore. The electoral map will be unpredictable going into Nov 8, and will be interesting to see what happens but blues will be turning red, that is for sure. Probably the most likely result is that Hillary will win but Congressional Democrats will lose out. And good riddance to them. My distaste for Congressional Republicans is as it always was, but the Democrats are looking to be just as stupid and they should be punished for it. Harry Reid especially wore out his welcome in recent times. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46294 Posts
On November 01 2016 21:24 Thieving Magpie wrote: I am pretty certain that most pro-hillary posters in the past 100-200 pages (and I assume even more than that) have continually pointed out how problematic the BernieBros are at wanting to slice off their nose in order to spite their face. To them, they would rather regress all American progress than to ever pick a woman president. I mean, many of them that this is the better candidate: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4vy2va/now_jill_stein_thinks_wifi_might_be_hurting_kids/ They aren't thinking straight. Willing to go against science, progress, and reason just to be able to say "Ha! I did not vote for Clinton!" Its really sad for the most part. Like, depressingly so. Jill Stein is so tilted about receiving negative coverage by John Oliver that she's pulling a trick from Trump's playbook and complaining that she's being oppressed by the media/ a comedian... and that we should do something "about the oppressive tactics corporate comedians continue to do towards already-marginalized groups of people." Poor Jill lol... she's clearly never watched John Oliver's show before, as his show frequently brings to light issues of prejudice and unfairness. I mean heck, this week's show was about how awful segregated schools and communities are! Regardless of whether or not comedians and political commentators are 100% accurate, we shouldn't be trying to silence their voice just because we disagree with them. Freedom of speech please. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/10/jill-stein-wants-national-conversation-on-oppressive-comedians/ | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On November 01 2016 22:03 Thieving Magpie wrote: So they would rather vote for the candidates least likely to get what they want... out of pride? That's almost worst The average voter isn't some sort of saintly philosopher who is going to put his/her pragmatic vision for America over his/her own feelings. As far as feelings go, being cheated runs deep. The fact that you can't see this and instead blame sexism is hilarious. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 01 2016 22:11 biology]major wrote: The average voter isn't some sort of saintly philosopher who is going to put his/her pragmatic vision for America over his/her own feelings. As far as feelings go, being cheated runs deep. The fact that you can't see this and instead blame sexism is hilarious. Who was the one that asked superdelegates to vote against the will of the people? Bernie. Who was the one who mainly won low voter turnout caucus states? Bernie. Who was the one that lost in states with high voter turnout? Bernie. Who was the one who imploded when liberal journalists interviewed him? Bernie. Who was the one who didn't show up to talk to allies of the United States who make their regular visits during election season? Bernie. Who was the one who had his team walk out on him because oh how the campaign manager ran things? Bernie. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9244 Posts
On November 01 2016 22:03 Thieving Magpie wrote: So they would rather vote for the candidates least likely to get what they want... out of pride? That's almost worst I'd call it resentment rather than pride, and it's coupled with seeing her as dishonest and not believing she will actually try to do what they want. Sure, even the worst interpretation of Clinton seems closer to them politically than the best interpretation of Trump, but there's more to how people vote (or refuse to) than to just pick whichever candidate with a realistic chance of winning is closest to them on the political compass. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
large fault has to be placed on how leftist activist media portrays the issues. gmo? toxic cancer! fracking? double toxic! wall street? off with their heads! moralizing thebissues in such clear ways allow for no middle ground, no value to political discourse other than heightening the existential danger posed by the opposition. how can you expect this firehose of hate to turn on a dime? the same dynamic with the extremists on the other side. expect dysfunction, more steins bernies and trumps, and a more right-leaning center. the deep state might even come up with some ideas of active political measures, surely a far more disastrous development. | ||
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