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xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society.
take all the state department cables, the wikiHillary speeches, and various leaks from depodesta, you get extreme transparency of the actual top level decisionmaking process. a fair view of the entire batch is that it is remarkably free from corruption and motivated by some sensible and clear strategic concerns. these do not receive coverage by the trivia obsessed media, nor the alternative narrative crafting ideologues. these selective reporting and misrepresentations are not genuine communications but acts of war, and wars harden divisions and make enemies more bitter.
the topic of concern is productive activism in the age of radicalization. basic principles of charity and truth in argumentation, rather than ideological fervor, should be the virtues promoted for the sake of both effective activism and effective politics.
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On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society.
It feels like you just said a lot of words without actually saying anything.
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On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society.
And maybe its due to the age of the politicians and the rapid changes going on in the medium itself, but very few of the incumbent politicians are aware that this is happening and are getting knocked off by outsider candidates who are riding on this wave of alternative views.
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On October 25 2016 00:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society. It feels like you just said a lot of words without actually saying anything.
nah, its like reading LSAT passages
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I find it interesting that the majority of our conspiracy theorist are not from the US and seem to have a lot of theories on how the US works. I’ve noticed that we have had to take a lot of time in the last couple months pointing out how freedom of the press works in the US to those who are willing to listen.
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Speaking of conspiracy theorists, guess who reads the same blogs as Nettles and with the same lack of skepticism
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On October 25 2016 00:54 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2016 00:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society. It feels like you just said a lot of words without actually saying anything. nah, its like reading LSAT passages
oneofthem writes more in the tradition of particular kinds of theory, not legalese really.
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lmao "the the" out of a presidential candidate.
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When he says "major story," who is he quoting?
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^the u.s. is more resilient than most because life is generally decent, and there's a sort of ideology of self reliance (e.g. JD Vance) that preaches acceptance in the face of market driven social change.
but in the rest of the world, the crisis of the collapsed middle is all too real. it is no longer sufficient to take a "end of history" structural view but take the contents of alternative worldviews seriously.
it's vastly easier to defeat alt-ideologies by making them defend their own substantive ideas and strategies, rather than only play defense at a time of real discontents.
this is not to say all 'dissent' viewpoints are to be treated as some sort of enemy to be eliminated. some do need to be eliminated, others can be reasoned with. you still need to make the central disagreements sharper, so that the public sees a choice(usually between reasonable tradeoffs and some kind of radical position) rather than simply a scandal or critique of the establishment.
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It's going to be hilarious regardless of who wins at this point
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On October 25 2016 01:04 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2016 00:54 ticklishmusic wrote:On October 25 2016 00:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society. It feels like you just said a lot of words without actually saying anything. nah, its like reading LSAT passages oneofthem writes more in the tradition of particular kinds of theory, not legalese really.
lsat isnt really legalese, just prose that's a little more convoluted than strictly necessary.
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It's a standardized test, oneofthem writes like a weirdo, but not like a standardized test. Admittedly, I did take it 4 years ago.
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On October 25 2016 01:16 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2016 01:04 farvacola wrote:On October 25 2016 00:54 ticklishmusic wrote:On October 25 2016 00:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society. It feels like you just said a lot of words without actually saying anything. nah, its like reading LSAT passages oneofthem writes more in the tradition of particular kinds of theory, not legalese really. lsat isnt really legalese, just prose that's a little more convoluted than strictly necessary.
i mean if i presume a certain level of knowledge then i would just say, i know these bloggers at salon etc are really annoying and damaging, but we need to just say it straight to the public and not get shot at from the dark.
but then nobody would understand wtf i am talking about here
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On October 25 2016 01:09 oneofthem wrote:
^the u.s. is more resilient than most because life is generally decent, and there's a sort of ideology of self reliance (e.g. JD Vance) that preaches acceptance in the face of market driven social change.
but in the rest of the world, the crisis of the collapsed middle is all too real. it is no longer sufficient to take a "end of history" structural view but take the contents of alternative worldviews seriously.
it's vastly easier to defeat alt-ideologies by making them defend their own substantive ideas and strategies, rather than only play defense at a time of real discontents.
this is not to say all 'dissent' viewpoints are to be treated as some sort of enemy to be eliminated. some do need to be eliminated, others can be reasoned with. you still need to make the central disagreements sharper, so that the public sees a choice(usually between reasonable tradeoffs and some kind of radical position) rather than simply a scandal or critique of the establishment.
I would argue life is more 'generally decent' in the EU because of social safety nets, tho the self reliance is more lacking.
The crisis of the collapsed middle being more real in the rest of the world is also a 'citation needed'.
I would argue that the US is not more resilient but that the direction their 'nutters' take it more spread out. Its easy as an outsider to look at the US and lay all the blame for the worlds problems there and find conspiracy theories to match.
Its a lot easier to hate on another then onto your own.
In the US a lot of them gets deflected into religious cults and the anti-science crowd, which is much less prevalent in the EU.
And there is certainly no shortage of conspiracy nuts in the US. From chem-trails to enough people being concerned about a military exercise in Texas being the cover for an occupation to remove their guns by using secret tunnels under Walmart that the Governor had to publicly state that the national guard would keep an eye on it.
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On October 24 2016 23:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2016 23:50 xM(Z wrote:
nope, rigging the general election would have to involve just a few bits of data. Oh, thank you for clarifying and explaining that. I guess we can call it a wrap after such a thorough, concise, indisputable explanation.
well xmz has been right and sensible in about every post I have seen from him over the past few years (contrary to many many others) so ya,this for me is enough to convince me.
Even if trump would get elected,he wont survive the first year. The stakes are to high.
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On October 25 2016 01:09 PassiveAce wrote:
When he says "major story," who is he quoting?
He's quoting Drudge who is quoting Zero Hedge
This WaPo piece is a good explanation of the mind numbingly bad interpretation of that email. Hell, it took us a few minutes on this forum to figure out that it wasn't public polling yet these revered alt-right 'journalists' are somehow less competent than the average person.
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On October 25 2016 00:49 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society. It feels like you just said a lot of words without actually saying anything.
Yup,"one of them" has disappointed me with every single one of his posts over the past few years. Its all talk but no substance.
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On October 25 2016 00:45 oneofthem wrote:
xmz isn't a regular conspiracy theorist, he is one of these RT conspiracy theorists with an extensively developed worldview centered on critique of western institutions.
with this conspiracy theory situation, you can see how fragmented media, self selection and a few activists/agitators work together for outsized effect.
how to fix it? fill the vacuum of explanations for official positions and strategy, rather than relying on poll tested lines. explicate the central strategic motivations and directly address/combat radical ideas at their weak points.
the poll tested lines and 'putting up a good image' stuff only work in a time of general tranquility. it defends a territory of normalcy that is being eroded by development of extensive, alternative views of society.
take all the state department cables, the wikiHillary speeches, and various leaks from depodesta, you get extreme transparency of the actual top level decisionmaking process. a fair view of the entire batch is that it is remarkably free from corruption and motivated by some sensible and clear strategic concerns. these do not receive coverage by the trivia obsessed media, nor the alternative narrative crafting ideologues. these selective reporting and misrepresentations are not genuine communications but acts of war, and wars harden divisions and make enemies more bitter.
the topic of concern is productive activism in the age of radicalization. basic principles of charity and truth in argumentation, rather than ideological fervor, should be the virtues promoted for the sake of both effective activism and effective politics. wow, it almost feels like i matter now!.
there are US State Governors that are weary or flat out refuse to entrust their election machines to DHS for scanning. go ask them why.
also, there are guides on "how to hack voting machines" on the internet. a Princeton proff. did it as far as i can remember, in several minutes or so.
conspiracy theory would've been me saying that 16 of the US voting machines are owned by Soros. there's even an ongoing petition for congress to remove them https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/we-people-ask-congress-meet-emergency-session-about-removing-george-soros-owned-voting-machines-16-states .
go look into that now.
Edit: you people don't even know what a conspiracy theory is. you see, hear or read things that offend your westernism and instinctively go on the offense because yea, your side ...
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You don’t even need to be a political insider to know that he was talking about internal polling. You just need to have watched the West Wing, American President or any political drama in the last 30 years.
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