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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On October 24 2016 20:58 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: If Russia is somehow working with Trump then why did Trump run an anti-Putin ad calling him an "opponent" of the US? Was that ad even made by the trump campaign directly or was it from a superpac? | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 24 2016 20:58 xM(Z wrote: that is exactly why the Gov. made that statement; to escalate tensions, get more people aboard the hate train. anyway, this dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official) says that "a disgruntled U.S. intelligence worker" did it; Putin also said he didn't do it: . when in a he said she said situation you just choose your side; no need to feel righteous about it tho. When in a he said she said I side with: -Air Force Intelligence -Army Intelligence -The CIA -Coast Guard Intelligence -The Defense Intelligence Agency -The Department of Energy's Office over Intelligence and Counterintelligence -The Department of Homeland Security -Department of State -The Department of the Treasury's Office of Intelligence and Analysis -The DEA -The FBI -Marine Corps Intelligence -The National Geospatial Intelligence Agency -The National Reconnaissance Office -The Central Security Service -Navy Intelligence And the U.S. Director of Intelligence over Putin and someone talking out his ass. Because, you know, it's their job. Kind of like saying you believe the fortune teller told you you have a big lifeline over the doctor saying your cancer is terminal. On October 24 2016 20:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: What evidence? Can Clinton even name all 17 agencies she claims are investigating? Were these the same US intelligence agencies that claimed WMDs were in Iraq? I don't know why you're dead set on dying on this hill, but no. WMDs were not unanimously claimed to be in Iraq by the intelligence community. The CIA even cast doubt that he had WMDs, which you can see here. But I don't really expect you to reconsider your stances in light of evidence. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 24 2016 22:08 Danglars wrote: In fairness, it's all pretty incestuous in Politics at that level. Without more details on how he was involved with the investigation, it is hard to say. The FBI deals with a lot of cases, so he could have avoided being involved with that specific case. Still, I would have expected the FBI to be more up front on the topic and say that their deputy director is married to a democrat running for senate, so he won’t be involved with the investigation. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4376 Posts
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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11716 Posts
On October 24 2016 22:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Professor who correctly predicted the last 5 elections says Trump has 87% chance of winning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSNosmQYPs0 There are a lot of professors in the US. And if i just randomly guess, i have a 1/32 chance of correctly predicting 5 elections in a row without any knowledge whatsoever about the politics at hand, simply because you have a two party system in the US. So out of 100 professors who have no clue about elections, you can still expect 3 to be correct about the last 5 of them. Now, just ask enough professors, and you will find one that was correct for the last 5 elections and says what you want to hear. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4376 Posts
On October 24 2016 22:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: When in a he said she said I side with: -Air Force Intelligence -Army Intelligence -The CIA -Coast Guard Intelligence -The Defense Intelligence Agency -The Department of Energy's Office over Intelligence and Counterintelligence -The Department of Homeland Security -Department of State -The Department of the Treasury's Office of Intelligence and Analysis -The DEA -The FBI -Marine Corps Intelligence -The National Geospatial Intelligence Agency -The National Reconnaissance Office -The Central Security Service -Navy Intelligence And the U.S. Director of Intelligence over Putin and someone talking out his ass. Because, you know, it's their job. Kind of like saying you believe the fortune teller told you you have a big lifeline over the doctor saying your cancer is terminal. I don't know why you're dead set on dying on this hill, but no. WMDs were not unanimously claimed to be in Iraq by the intelligence community. The CIA even cast doubt that he had WMDs, which you can see here. But I don't really expect you to reconsider your stances in light of evidence. Did you read what the US head of intelligence actually SAID or are you just re-parroting HuffPo talking points? James Clapper, Head of US Intelligence : Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government. Nothing to suggest the Russian government is involved at this stage so if Clinton could stop mentioning Putin every five seconds that'd be great.Enough with the conspiracy theories. Plus it hardly matters what was written in secret documents.The issue here is the narrative given by the US president at the time and the Government at large was that Iraq was being invaded due to Saddam having WMDs.This despite UN weapons inspectors finding nothing.What is there to debate here, it's all common knowledge at this point.The public was lied to.You are putting your trust in organisations that have lied repeatedly on a massive scale, leading to the death and misery of millions. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 24 2016 22:30 Simberto wrote: There are a lot of professors in the US. And if i just randomly guess, i have a 1/32 chance of correctly predicting 5 elections in a row without any knowledge whatsoever about the politics at hand, simply because you have a two party system in the US. So out of 100 professors who have no clue about elections, you can still expect 3 to be correct about the last 5 of them. Now, just ask enough professors, and you will find one that was correct for the last 5 elections and says what you want to hear. given 2008 and 1996 were complete gimmes, it's more like 1/8. now what we really need is to get that squid which picks the world series to try. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
On October 24 2016 22:41 ticklishmusic wrote: given 2008 and 1996 were complete gimmes, it's more like 1/8. now what we really need is to get that squid which picks the world series to try. I love how some people think a comparable argument to "all of the polls and aggregates, including those run by professional statisticians" is "but this one other guy is a pretty decent guesser at things". Clearly it's a wash. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
On October 24 2016 22:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: that is your side, literally; all of them. When in a he said she said I side with: -Air Force Intelligence -Army Intelligence -The CIA -Coast Guard Intelligence -The Defense Intelligence Agency -The Department of Energy's Office over Intelligence and Counterintelligence -The Department of Homeland Security -Department of State -The Department of the Treasury's Office of Intelligence and Analysis -The DEA -The FBI -Marine Corps Intelligence -The National Geospatial Intelligence Agency -The National Reconnaissance Office -The Central Security Service -Navy Intelligence And the U.S. Director of Intelligence over Putin and someone talking out his ass. Because, you know, it's their job. Kind of like saying you believe the fortune teller told you you have a big lifeline over the doctor saying your cancer is terminal. the statement https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-press-releases-2016/1423-joint-dhs-odni-election-security-statement The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. and that's it, the rest is about protecting your election system by bringing DHS into the mix.well, how about this for a tin foil? - use the hack scandal to bring in Homeland Security to rig the elections; it's fucking brilliant. honestly, i don't care what you believe in but if you, based on those beliefs, will try and fix another part of the world, don't be surprised if you'll have bullets, bombs and planes coming your way. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
you rig it locally. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
The US government lies or is dishonest when it suits them. Just like any other government. When they say "we are confident the Russian government directed the attack", that means absolute shit. They might not even have any actual evidence, and are just assuming the Russian government is pulling the strings behind the attacks. It could just as easily be someone else entirely financing the company that is executing the hacks or owns the botnet used to attack. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22050 Posts
On October 24 2016 23:04 xM(Z wrote: each individual state will have its own cyber-security provided by yours truly DHS(if the state requests it). you rig it locally. Yes, a country the size of the US. with god knows how many voting districts is being rigged by the DHS in a massive conspiracy involving thousands of volunteer civilians all working together to elected the demon Hillary Clinton. Despite her holding a seemingly insurmountable lead in polls. Makes complete sense... Don't we have some mod rules about retarded tin foil theories? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
On October 24 2016 23:08 farvacola wrote: if you think that even a single US state would willingly allow the feds to get their fingers into their election management, you know less about this country than your tin foil hat lets on. last time i checked you had 33 states and 11 counties contracting DHS for cyber-security related measures. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11716 Posts
On October 24 2016 23:09 Gorsameth wrote: Yes, a country the size of the US. with god knows how many voting districts is being rigged by the DHS in a massive conspiracy involving thousands of volunteer civilians all working together to elected the demon Hillary Clinton. Despite her holding a seemingly insurmountable lead in polls. Makes complete sense... Don't we have some mod rules about retarded tin foil theories? It is also such an incredibly ineffective way to rig the US elections. If i wanted to rig the US elections, i wouldn't even touch the elections themselves. Just make sure that both the republican and the democrat candidate are in your bag. Much easier to achieve then just getting one of them and then rigging the general election. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On October 24 2016 23:04 xM(Z wrote: each individual state will have its own cyber-security provided by yours truly DHS(if the state requests it). you rig it locally. You're in the DHS? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
On October 24 2016 23:15 Simberto wrote: both republicans and democrats were in your bag ... but then came Trump. It is also such an incredibly ineffective way to rig the US elections. If i wanted to rig the US elections, i wouldn't even touch the elections themselves. Just make sure that both the republican and the democrat candidate are in your bag. Much easier to achieve then just getting one of them and then rigging the general election. | ||
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