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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This is Trump backpedaling while saying the same thing as fast as possible. I honestly don't think this is really that bad. I mean, Austria has a reelection and with a proper ruling of judges I see no problem in holding a reelection. (Ofc over here all the lefts were nuts b/c the right wing party actually won the case, but thats a different issue.) | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17978 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:58 Slaughter wrote: Even if you like his ideas...I dont know how anyone could still support Trump when he goes to this level of childish whining...especially since he won them over with how strong he is and especially lately has just been whining and childish. Plenty of people will vote along party lines regardless. Or Hillary is literally a demon from hell. Also sprach Alex Jones. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:52 Dan HH wrote: This guy has no concept of shame Iv been waiting for this moment for a while | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:52 zlefin wrote: That is one of the things i'm taling about yes; and while it does not eliminate every reason for abortion, it eliminates many of them, thus mooting the issue in part. hence it being a compromise. yea but there's no action on this. It's a completely logical compromise that's just a non starter for republicans and southern states. I came up with it in 10 seconds but it will never get implemented. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:59 Hryul wrote: I honestly don't think this is really that bad. I mean, Austria has a reelection and with a proper ruling of judges I see no problem in holding a reelection. (Ofc over here all the lefts were nuts b/c the right wing party actually won the case, but thats a different issue.) What? You don't see the problem with calling an election rigged by the opponent before the election is held? Doubly so because if you had any actual evidence of such a rigging you could be making sure something it done about it. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:52 zlefin wrote: That is one of the things i'm taling about yes; and while it does not eliminate every reason for abortion, it eliminates many of them, thus mooting the issue in part. hence it being a compromise. The issue about it as a "compromise" solution is not that it doesn't make sense (it does) but its already part of the Pro Choice platform... Pro Choice is not "pro abortion" its Pro Choice, as in choices. Its about giving women as many options as possible in resolving their problem inclusive of abortion. The issue with the Pro Life Stance is that its fairly simple--Abortion is murder and we do not condone murder. There is no middle ground to be had from that stance. Telling them "what if we only kind of murder the baby?" or "What if we don't murder as often" is not a middle ground when their goal is to not have any murder happen. And yes, it would make sense for them to increase the shit of the funding healthcare, adoption agencies, foster care systems that incentivizes people away from abortion. It would also be great if they made education reform to provide extra benefits to kids who come from the adoption system or the foster system so that even though they had a harder time growing up, they get to catch up when getting upper education. It would be great if they had a more generalized education funding reform that made it so that all schools get the same budget and resources no matter if its a poor neighborhood or a rich neighborhood. But being that Pro-Life is a stance of the conservative party, the party that is against funding damn near anything, the party that is trying to cut taxes so we CANT pay for things. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:01 KOFgokuon wrote: yea but there's no action on this. It's a completely logical compromise that's just a non starter for republicans and southern states. I came up with it in 10 seconds but it will never get implemented. hence my complaint about it being bad that compromises like this aren't done. | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:58 Slaughter wrote: Even if you like his ideas...I dont know how anyone could still support Trump when he goes to this level of childish whining...especially since he won them over with how strong he is and especially lately has just been whining and childish. No YOU'RE a childish whiner. EDIT: https://vine.co/v/5wKWFQMLnAP | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:02 Logo wrote: What? You don't see the problem with calling an election rigged by the opponent before the election is held? Doubly so because if you had any actual evidence of such a rigging you could be making sure something it done about it. No, I don't see a problem with announcing that you will contest a rigged election given you put forth reasonable proof. It's also a bit hard to find proof beforehand. You'd need a mole inside the dems and some pretty elaborate planning. Coming back to Austria: it was mostly irregular opening of letters and abuse of mentally impaired old people. I doubt you could find enough proof for this beforehand. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:11 Hryul wrote: No, I don't see a problem with announcing that you will contest a rigged election given you put forth reasonable proof. It's also a bit hard to find proof beforehand. You'd need a mole inside the dems and some pretty elaborate planning. Coming back to Austria: it was mostly irregular opening of letters and abuse of mentally impaired old people. I doubt you could find enough proof for this beforehand. the problem is mostly that the election won't be rigged, and there's no proof of significant rigging, nor will there be afterwards. He's just lying and poisoning the well. re: thieving, yes it's not super-compromisey, but it's clearly somewhat of a compromise. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:56 oneofthem wrote: large redistribution to the truly needy does not cost that much. it is the healthcare for boomers that is the big budget item. heeeeey welcome back, friend @zlefin yes i want more details you want to take every conceived fetus slated for abortion and birth it from a test tube? and then what? raise it as a ward of the state? | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Trying to understand your connection between quoting a comment on proper interpretation of scriptures and baby boomers. It's hard to respond when I have no idea why you quoted the former post. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:13 zlefin wrote: + Show Spoiler + the problem is mostly that the election won't be rigged, and there's no proof of significant rigging, nor will there be afterwards. He's just lying and poisoning the well. re: thieving, yes it's not super-compromisey, but it's clearly somewhat of a compromise. Agreed. There's a lot of things the GOP could do in order to tempt women away from abortion. And they would have a lot more support if that was their stance. But their hard headedness not only makes it so Pro Choicers can't negotiate with them, Pro Lifers can't even find alternative solutions to try to garner more support. | ||
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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:11 Hryul wrote: No, I don't see a problem with announcing that you will contest a rigged election given you put forth reasonable proof. It's also a bit hard to find proof beforehand. You'd need a mole inside the dems and some pretty elaborate planning. Coming back to Austria: it was mostly irregular opening of letters and abuse of mentally impaired old people. I doubt you could find enough proof for this beforehand. In case you didn't know: every US state, all 50, has an independent government body that oversees the election process (the FEC is mostly a useless organization with regards to actual oversight of the election process). Accordingly, voter fraud or anything that would actually amount to "rigging" (which is incredibly loosely defined as of late, it would seem) would require intrastate cooperation among what are almost uniformly bipartisan state oversight organizations. One look at our electoral map should tell you that this kind of collusion would be impossible. Furthermore, the swing states, those that are most likely to play a pivotal role in the outcome of the election, are mostly controlled by Republicans at the state level (Ohio, Michigan, Florida, Wisconsin, to name a few). Accordingly, there is an extremely strong incentive for state voting authorities in those states to police their election process thoroughly, making voter fraud even more unlikely. TL;DR voter fraud and "rigging" are made almost impossible by the structure of our government's handling of the election process. (this is not to say that our process is perfect, great, or even good; it fucking sucks. However, voter fraud is not the reason why.) | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:13 zlefin wrote: the problem is mostly that the election won't be rigged, and there's no proof of significant rigging, nor will there be afterwards. He's just lying and poisoning the well. re: thieving, yes it's not super-compromisey, but it's clearly somewhat of a compromise. the well is already overflowing with poison. it's just the next thing he uses to get on the headlines. Does anybody really believe this is anything more than hot air? e: @farv I didnt know that but I just don't get why this is such a big thing given the worst outcome is that hillary has to wait a little bit longer to claim her office. | ||
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farvacola
United States18825 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:24 Hryul wrote: the well is already overflowing with poison. it's just the next thing he uses to get on the headlines. Does anybody really believe this is anything more than hot air? Come to Ohio, we'll take a tour of the Toledo area, and then you'll be able to answer that last question yourself. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17978 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:24 Hryul wrote: the well is already overflowing with poison. it's just the next thing he uses to get on the headlines. Does anybody really believe this is anything more than hot air? Plenty of his supporters do, and that is a problem. He himself might, and that is an even bigger problem. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
I fear his supporters. I fear second amendment junkies who talk about wanting to be ready to revolt against a tyrannical government. I fear possible shootings. I fear people dying on the street. I fear the type of bravery the normally cowardly nut jobs might gain hearing someone in power has got their back. | ||
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 21 2016 02:26 farvacola wrote: Come to Ohio, we'll take a tour of the Toledo area, and then you'll be able to answer that last question yourself. i'll take that as an invitation  On October 21 2016 02:31 Thieving Magpie wrote: The fear of Trump's rhetoric is not that he will do something. He's a coward and will fold under any kind of actual pressure he can't just yell at. I fear his supporters. I fear second amendment junkies who talk about wanting to be ready to revolt against a tyrannical government. I fear possible shootings. I fear people dying on the street. I fear the type of bravery the normally cowardly nut jobs might gain hearing someone in power has got their back. ok, but what's the worst on that end? some nuts reenacting the Waco siege? a 2nd UNA Bomber? I mean they are real threats but nothing that I would deem really threating the US as a nation. | ||
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