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Nebuchad
Switzerland12402 Posts
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
On October 21 2016 00:48 farvacola wrote: As time goes on, abortion and gay marriage will become subsidiary issues to the more fundamental question relative to how our nation goes about dealing with our least advantaged populations. Posted this earlier but this thread moves too fast. My nightmare scenario is if the party throws out the elites and replaces them with redistributionary ideas. They then woo young minorities and immigrants with social conservatism setting back liberal progress generations on those issues as I can no longer take solace that boomer bible thumpers are dying out. That is a be careful what you wish for argument liberals make when they suggest that the Republican party could make inroads with the minority/immigrant vote if the party wasn't overtly racist or xenophobic. A redistribution/religious/minority coalition terrifies me that they might be able to get to 270 aganst basically every one of my positions. | ||
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farvacola
United States18855 Posts
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On October 21 2016 00:54 zlefin wrote: It's too bad people just don't come to a compromise and long-term plan on the abortion issue. What compromise is possible? | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
Accept it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15742 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:27 Wolfstan wrote: Posted this earlier but this thread moves too fast. My nightmare scenario is if the party throws out the elites and replaces them with redistributionary ideas. They then woo young minorities and immigrants with social conservatism setting back liberal progress generations on those issues as I can no longer take solace that boomer bible thumpers are dying out. That is a be careful what you wish for argument liberals make when they suggest that the Republican party could make inroads with the minority/immigrant vote if the party wasn't overtly racist or xenophobic. A redistribution/religious/minority coalition terrifies me that they might be able to get to 270 aganst basically every one of my positions. I think you are underestimating party inertia. A party that defended immigrants and delivered on a bunch of social issues like healthcare will compel people to stick around. If democrats are able to ease up campaign financing and move closer to a less corrupt system, I think the urge to jump ship will be minimal. I think Clinton has a good chance at satisfying enough young millennial Bernie'esque democrats that a 2024 democrat ticket would basically be Bernie. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9175 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:27 Wolfstan wrote: Posted this earlier but this thread moves too fast. My nightmare scenario is if the party throws out the elites and replaces them with redistributionary ideas. They then woo young minorities and immigrants with social conservatism setting back liberal progress generations on those issues as I can no longer take solace that boomer bible thumpers are dying out. That is a be careful what you wish for argument liberals make when they suggest that the Republican party could make inroads with the minority/immigrant vote if the party wasn't overtly racist or xenophobic. A redistribution/religious/minority coalition terrifies me that they might be able to get to 270 aganst basically every one of my positions. Republicans and wealth redistribution? Sharknado would be a more realistic nightmare | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
Capitulation is the best form of compromise. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
Overturning Roe v Wade is still part of the Republican platform right? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
funding work on technical scientific solutions which remove most of the bases for abortion, hence making the issue mostly moot. do you need/want more detail? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:47 zlefin wrote: funding work on technical scientific solutions which remove most of the bases for abortion, hence making the issue mostly moot. do you need/want more detail? Are you talking about putting babies in test tubes and growing them the rest of the way? I'm not against that, it sounds cool as fuck, but I am not sure its an answer. There are many reasons for abortion: Mother too young Mother too threatened Population control etc... So purely medical ways to prevent the "what if the mother is threatened" scenario will not be a middle ground for either side. Test tube babies however, would be, sort of. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9175 Posts
This guy has no concept of shame | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14905 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
and while it does not eliminate every reason for abortion, it eliminates many of them, thus mooting the issue in part. hence it being a compromise. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18224 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:47 zlefin wrote: funding work on technical scientific solutions which remove most of the bases for abortion, hence making the issue mostly moot. do you need/want more detail? You are going to techoscientific your way out of rape victims? And stupid teens? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 21 2016 01:56 Acrofales wrote: You are going to techoscientific your way out of rape victims? And stupid teens? it doesn't answer the rape one, but you can do things about stupid teens, yes. the point again, is that it's a somewhat compromisey solution. | ||
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