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zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
October 13 2016 23:57 GMT
#111161
On October 14 2016 07:47 ticklishmusic wrote: He's actually a pretty solid dude - moderate, not-very-partisan Republican... who has no future in the Republican Party of today.

Ironically, that's more or less what Trump was before he decided to play politics this go around.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-14 00:03:38
October 14 2016 00:01 GMT
#111162
So you guys know how trump has been accusing hillary of attacking her husband's accusers?

Donald Trump may not be planning to sue People over the magazine's story accusing him of sexual assault, but his wife Melania apparently is.

At 7:15 p.m. on Thursday night, Melania tweeted a copy of a letter bearing the return address of her lawyer, Charles Harder, and addressed to People editorial director Jess Cagle and People writer Natasha Stoynoff, who wrote a first-person account about Donald Trump forcibly kissing her at Mar-a-Lago in 2005.

Harder — who represented Hulk Hogan in his suit against Gawker, which was funded by Trump supporter Peter Thiel, and has sent threatening letters on Melania's behalf before — wrote that Stoynoff's account contained "actionable" falsehoods (though it did not call the article defamatory). The specific passage Melania Trump disputes: the account of the writer bumping into Melania and having a brief conversation with her outside of Trump Tower.

"The true facts are these: Mrs. Trump did not encounter Ms. Stoynoff on the street, or have any conversation with her. The two are not friends and were never friends or even friendly," Harder wrote.

Harder wrote that if the article is not corrected within 24 hours, Melania would "consider her legal options."
Earlier on Thursday, Cagle said in a statement that People magazine stands behind Stoynoff's reporting
.

www.politico.com

Not sure what theyr going for here.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 14 2016 00:08 GMT
#111163
Farmers, more than anyone else, manage America's land and water. They grow crops or graze cattle on more than half of the country's land outside of Alaska.

"Farming has huge impacts on water. Huge impacts on wildlife. It has big impacts on air, especially from animal feeding operations," says Craig Cox, senior vice president for agriculture and natural resources at the Environmental Working Group, or EWG, a nonprofit environmental organization. Agriculture, for example, has been blamed for algae blooms in Lake Erie, high levels of nitrates in Iowa's rivers and a giant "dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico. Plowing and draining the Great Plains to make way for crops has driven many species of animals, like the black footed ferret, closer to extinction.

Yet according to many environmentalists, the federal government does little to regulate farmers. If anything, they say, the government makes things worse by providing subsidies that cushion farmers from the impact of low prices, encouraging them simply to plant more corn and soybeans, the crops that cover most of the Midwest. (This database created a decade ago by EWG shows exactly how much money each American farmer has been receiving from the government.)

But the government also provides some financial incentives for farmers to reduce their environmental impact. Farmers get government checks if, for instance, they voluntarily agree to plant strips of grass along streams, or create habitat for butterflies and native bees, or upgrade irrigation systems in order to use water or energy more efficiently.

These dollars are the government's main tool for getting farmers to do things that aren't in their economic self-interest, but which benefit the environment.

"We've been a huge supporter of these programs," says Cox. "But it's been difficult to know what they were doing."

Now it's possible to know a little more. This week, the EWG unveiled a database of "conservation" payments. They add up to almost $5 billion this year, or roughly a quarter of all farm subsidies.

Cox and his colleagues filed 28 separate requests under the Freedom of Information Act to collect details on every conservation payment, then assembled it all into a database. Anyone now can go online to see where the money went and what agricultural practices it was supposed to encourage.

"Now we can have an intelligent conversation about [these programs]," Cox says. "Are these are the right practices? Are payments going to the right places? Should we adjust the way these programs operate in order to make them more effective?"

Cox thinks the government could buy more environmental progress for its $5 billion a year.


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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-14 00:22:46
October 14 2016 00:17 GMT
#111164


It's been a day full of tweeted lawyer letters
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 14 2016 00:38 GMT
#111165
Nevermind that People's offices haven't been at the Time Life building for over a year, great law firm.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 14 2016 00:39 GMT
#111166
On October 14 2016 09:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Nevermind that People's offices haven't been at the Time Life building for over a year, great law firm.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/786717964036927488


I wonder what it's like to live in a fantasy world like that.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 14 2016 00:46 GMT
#111167
On October 14 2016 09:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 09:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Nevermind that People's offices haven't been at the Time Life building for over a year, great law firm.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/786717964036927488


I wonder what it's like to live in a fantasy world like that.


Quite pleasant except when you're faced with actual reality.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 14 2016 00:50 GMT
#111168
On October 14 2016 05:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 05:32 GoTuNk! wrote:
On October 14 2016 05:23 brian wrote:
On October 14 2016 05:14 xDaunt wrote:
On October 14 2016 05:00 xDaunt wrote:
Who remembers the time that Schwarzenegger got in trouble for fucking the nanny? Anyone remember what the biggest surprise regarding the whole affair was?


Alright, I'll answer my own question. The most surprising thing was that Arnold, a dude who could have anyone he wanted, had an affair with a woman who looked like this:

[image loading]

And this surprising revelation was discussed quite a bit at the time. So don't tell me that the argument that a woman can be too ugly for a guy to sexually assault doesn't potentially have some juice.

I feel like your example is a counterpoint to your argument.


I tought it was hilarous that Arnold withdrew support from Trump after some audio tape given he did his nanny while married.

Did Arnold have an affair or did he sexually assault the nanny?

Right then, there is your answer about the difference...


The tape does not say "I sexually assaulted someone", that's just left wing narrative. It says I could do X (grab them by the pussy) and get away with it.

When arnie withdrew support we only had that. Now we also have some dubious claims that didn't exist before.

If he had said "I could totally go out and beat the shit out of Bill Clinton" people would not be saying that means he beat up Bill Clinton, because he is not saying that, and it doesn't prove anything.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 14 2016 00:54 GMT
#111169
That is sexual assault. The law says it is sexual assault.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
October 14 2016 01:08 GMT
#111170
On October 14 2016 09:17 Dan HH wrote:
https://twitter.com/MELANIATRUMP/status/786707074096963585

It's been a day full of tweeted lawyer letters


Americans are pretty fed up with the suing culture here in the states from my experience so tweeting letters from lawyers threatening lawsuits isn't really a good look.
Never Knows Best.
levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
October 14 2016 01:09 GMT
#111171
Can we all take a moment and appreciate the strategic plan of Clinton?

Wait till a month before the election date, go strong on these sexual claims, deflect attention from the emails, and as the closer, get your most popular speaker (Michelle) to directly call out trump. He'll either lose it and insult Michelle, or will have to leave her challenge unanswered.

Forget about whether all this is even true, but this is the sort of strategic mind I'd want to be dealing with the rest of the world.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-14 01:13:53
October 14 2016 01:11 GMT
#111172


The NYT: "Come at me, bro"

The last paragraph is quality. I might have to change my subscription to the Times to daily, rather than just Sunday on the kindle.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
October 14 2016 01:14 GMT
#111173
[image loading]

User was warned for this post
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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-14 01:17:10
October 14 2016 01:16 GMT
#111174
On October 14 2016 10:09 levelping wrote:
Can we all take a moment and appreciate the strategic plan of Clinton?

Wait till a month before the election date, go strong on these sexual claims, deflect attention from the emails, and as the closer, get your most popular speaker (Michelle) to directly call out trump. He'll either lose it and insult Michelle, or will have to leave her challenge unanswered.

Forget about whether all this is even true, but this is the sort of strategic mind I'd want to be dealing with the rest of the world.


Did you notice the bait planted weeks ago? Machado was such obvious open bait. They knew exactly what they were doing and Trump stayed up til 3 AM being an imbecile. This leads straight into setting up the frame that DJT is abusive to women.

Then when the AccessTape hit, Cooper presses DJT until he says "no I did not" when it comes to acting on the AccessTape words. Instantly every DJT accuser is national news because DJT did that denial.

Multiple stories hit within hours of each other in multiple local news and two big accusers in NYT. HRC fire discipline is mind blowing. I was initially like, man, can't HRC hit him in the debates? Nah, HRC plays it cold and slow. DJT will be moping alone election night with every elected Republican running screaming.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 14 2016 01:17 GMT
#111175
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43201 Posts
October 14 2016 01:18 GMT
#111176
On October 14 2016 09:50 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 05:35 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 05:32 GoTuNk! wrote:
On October 14 2016 05:23 brian wrote:
On October 14 2016 05:14 xDaunt wrote:
On October 14 2016 05:00 xDaunt wrote:
Who remembers the time that Schwarzenegger got in trouble for fucking the nanny? Anyone remember what the biggest surprise regarding the whole affair was?


Alright, I'll answer my own question. The most surprising thing was that Arnold, a dude who could have anyone he wanted, had an affair with a woman who looked like this:

[image loading]

And this surprising revelation was discussed quite a bit at the time. So don't tell me that the argument that a woman can be too ugly for a guy to sexually assault doesn't potentially have some juice.

I feel like your example is a counterpoint to your argument.


I tought it was hilarous that Arnold withdrew support from Trump after some audio tape given he did his nanny while married.

Did Arnold have an affair or did he sexually assault the nanny?

Right then, there is your answer about the difference...


The tape does not say "I sexually assaulted someone", that's just left wing narrative. It says I could do X (grab them by the pussy) and get away with it.

When arnie withdrew support we only had that. Now we also have some dubious claims that didn't exist before.

If he had said "I could totally go out and beat the shit out of Bill Clinton" people would not be saying that means he beat up Bill Clinton, because he is not saying that, and it doesn't prove anything.

It wasn't clear which of the recordings of Donald Trump bragging about his sexual assaults you meant so I just picked one. Hopefully this was the one you were denying with your post.
Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
Bush: "Whatever you want."
Trump: "Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 14 2016 01:21 GMT
#111177
On October 14 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/786728038809661440

I'm so fucking confused.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9135 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-14 01:27:38
October 14 2016 01:26 GMT
#111178
On October 14 2016 10:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/786728038809661440

I'm so fucking confused.

You have to understand that in his mind this is the same China that paid off almost every single climate scientist in the world just to mess with America's manufacturing, hence the tough people that would 'just leave her there'
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
October 14 2016 01:29 GMT
#111179
On October 14 2016 10:21 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/786728038809661440

I'm so fucking confused.


I think he belive Tiananmen square is a prison.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 14 2016 01:31 GMT
#111180
See this is exactly what they wanted, everyone talking about the debate non stop as if it's really a reality show. I haven't seen one person mention the rising tension with between US and Russia recently. That is much more deserving to talk about.
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