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plasmidghost
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
And also why "That's the stupidest thing I've heard" is a legitimate counter-argument. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:01 WolfintheSheep wrote: This is why conspiracies rule public discourse. Takes half a second to make one up, and forever to disprove it. And also why "That's the stupidest thing I've heard" is a legitimate counter-argument. Exactly, its infuriating. Somehow the burden of proving the conspiracy theory doesn't exist at all. But the burden of disproving it is impossible. "Prove Hillary didn't kill Scalia!" Well you understand that's actually impossible to prove right? But that doesn't matter does it because the seed of insanity has been planted. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
On October 14 2016 06:59 plasmidghost wrote: If Trump sinks any more in the polls he should actually go full media blitz and throw every crazy Clinton-related conspiracy he can find, just say the most outrageous stuff about her and have the media report every last bit and inundate the voters with those doubts in the back of their minds that maybe she has done some of those things Hasn't he been doing that already?? | ||
KwarK
United States43468 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Hasn't he been doing that already?? We thought things couldn't get worse than Palin, we were wrong. We thought Donald couldn't win the nomination, we were wrong. We thought Donald would class things up once the general started, we were wrong. We thought Donald couldn't actually sink any lower, we were wrong. At this point don't assume we've already hit rock bottom! | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:10 KwarK wrote: On the Alex Jones note, does anyone know his stance on the moon? I couldn't find it out but I know that David Icke and his ilk think the moon isn't real. Not the moon landings, the moon. I was wondering if Alex Jones had made a statement on that. I'm like 90% sure he's against the moon landing, this is the first I've heard that anyone on earth could be against the moon's actual existence though. Good lord. Not to say that he is or isn't, I'm not sure I try to avoid digging around him too much because I'll end up giving myself an aneurysm if I do, but you do have me curious now.... | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On October 14 2016 06:44 KwarK wrote: With the Miss Arizona accusation Trump confessed to doing that. I don't know if that'd count as evidence, maybe xDaunt can weigh in on whether a tape of the defendant bragging about the crime counts. Youtube Diversion More on topic, I could certainly believe that both Donald and Bill have committed rape / sexual assault. That said, when they both deny it, I give more credibility to Bill's denial than to Donald's because I have witnessed Donald's disconnection from reality. But ultimately, I don't see what Bill's situation has to do with this election. Donald is running for president. Bill is not. If Hillary did something unethical in the past relating to the accusations against Bill, that would be unethical, and much more relevant. But even in that case, the line is blurred somewhat. Hillary would naturally take Bill's side in matters like that, and it's unreasonable to blame her for doing so. Until something like "Hillary had evidence of Bill raping someone, and chose to cover it up" comes along, it's ridiculous to think that Bill and Donald are comparable in terms of this election. That said, the Broaddrick thing sounds exactly like that. It's too bad so many of the accusations toward Hillary are fabricated or misrepresented to seem more sinister than they actually are. I would have liked more attention to be brought to Hillary's involvement in the Broaddrick incident. But at the moment the credibility of many of the people accusing Hillary of wrongdoing is suspect. I recommend The Boy Who Cried Wolf for further reading. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:12 OuchyDathurts wrote: We thought things couldn't get worse than Palin, we were wrong. We thought Donald couldn't win the nomination, we were wrong. We thought Donald would class things up once the general started, we were wrong. We thought Donald couldn't actually sink any lower, we were wrong. At this point don't assume we've already hit rock bottom! Recently, John Oliver released a few video clips (from LWT) about how we've hit rock bottom... and then how we hit a *new* rock bottom... etc. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45221 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:14 OuchyDathurts wrote: I'm like 90% sure he's against the moon landing, this is the first I've heard that anyone on earth could be against the moon's actual existence though. Good lord. Not to say that he is or isn't, I'm not sure I try to avoid digging around him too much because I'll end up giving myself an aneurysm if I do, but you do have me curious now.... "The Moon Matrix is introduced in Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More (2010), in which Icke suggests that the Earth and collective human mind are manipulated from the Moon, a spacecraft and inter-dimensional portal controlled by the reptilians. The Moon Matrix is a broadcast from that spacecraft to the human body–computer, specifically to the left hemisphere of the brain, which gives us our sense of reality: "We are living in a dreamworld within a dreamworld—a Matrix within the virtual-reality universe—and it is being broadcast from the Moon." Unless people force themselves to become fully conscious, their minds are the Moon's mind.[152] This idea is further explored in Icke's Remember Who You Are: Remember 'Where' You Are and Where You 'Come' From (2012), where he introduces the concept of the "Saturn–Moon Matrix". In this more recent conceptualization, the rings of Saturn (which Icke believes were artificially created by reptilian spacecraft) are the ultimate source of the signal, while the Moon is merely a sort of amplifier.[124]" ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Saturn.E2.80.93Moon_Matrix | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:01 WolfintheSheep wrote: This is why conspiracies rule public discourse. Takes half a second to make one up, and forever to disprove it. And also why "That's the stupidest thing I've heard" is a legitimate counter-argument. You cannot disprove an unproved thing. "What if X happened" is easily answered by "what evidence?" If they show evidence that is not convincing, it is their fault that they aren't convincing. If they yell about how you're sheeple, you just let them know that being angry doesn't make it true. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: "The Moon Matrix is introduced in Human Race Get Off Your Knees: The Lion Sleeps No More (2010), in which Icke suggests that the Earth and collective human mind are manipulated from the Moon, a spacecraft and inter-dimensional portal controlled by the reptilians. The Moon Matrix is a broadcast from that spacecraft to the human body–computer, specifically to the left hemisphere of the brain, which gives us our sense of reality: "We are living in a dreamworld within a dreamworld—a Matrix within the virtual-reality universe—and it is being broadcast from the Moon." Unless people force themselves to become fully conscious, their minds are the Moon's mind.[152] This idea is further explored in Icke's Remember Who You Are: Remember 'Where' You Are and Where You 'Come' From (2012), where he introduces the concept of the "Saturn–Moon Matrix". In this more recent conceptualization, the rings of Saturn (which Icke believes were artificially created by reptilian spacecraft) are the ultimate source of the signal, while the Moon is merely a sort of amplifier.[124]" ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Saturn.E2.80.93Moon_Matrix Ho-lee-shit. This is fabulous..............I had no idea I'd been missing out on such glorious insanity. I get the whole "we're living in a simulation thing" and who fuckin knows maybe we are. But this is fantastically dumb. I love it! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Promising information that is more standardized and complete than has previously been available, Attorney General Loretta Lynch says the Department of Justice will collect data on the police use of deadly force in the line of duty. Lynch's announcement amplifies a statement by FBI Director James Comey at the end of September, when he told a congressional panel that the bureau is in the process of setting up a database that can track police killings and other use of force during interactions with the public. The Justice Department plans to have a pilot program collecting data in early 2017. "Accurate and comprehensive data on the use of force by law enforcement is essential to an informed and productive discussion about community-police relations," Lynch said today. "The initiatives we are announcing today are vital efforts toward increasing transparency and building trust between law enforcement and the communities we serve." In addition to collecting data, the FBI's pilot program will study the methodology used to collect that information. The agency's announcement of the pilot program also calls for public comment — "from all interested parties, including local, state, tribal and federal law enforcement, civil rights organizations and other community stakeholders." A lack of a national database became a sticking point in recent years, particularly after a string of high-profile cases in which unarmed black men died at the hands of police. Attempts to fill that void have included the website Fatal Encounters, as well as a Washington Post database that tracks how many people are shot and killed by police. So far in 2016, the Post reports that law enforcement officers have killed 754 people. Source | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:21 Thieving Magpie wrote: You cannot disprove an unproved thing. "What if X happened" is easily answered by "what evidence?" If they show evidence that is not convincing, it is their fault that they aren't convincing. If they yell about how you're sheeple, you just let them know that being angry doesn't make it true. It's not about arguing with a conspiracy theorist. You need to convince everyone else that the conspiracy theorist is a loon. And anyone not convinced will continue to propagate dumb conspiracies. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On October 14 2016 06:49 biology]major wrote: Yeah but he is a supreme court justice, they should have done an autopsy to make sure. "natural causes" for a 79 year old medically speaking is very suspect. There must have been a probable cause of death, not sure if they released his medical records but I don't have the time to take a look. Not only does the system operate based on a number of presumptions aimed at reducing the amount of unneeded autopsies, Scalia was Catholic as fuck. Do you have any idea how insulted his family would find a needless autopsy when they had plans for him to be celebrated through a very public funeral? The whole thing is ridiculous given the circumstances of his death. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
1. Do you think the libertarian party would have had a better chance with their ticket reversed? 2. How has each president over the last 40 years handled the stress of being president? Trump seems like he would start slamming his head into a wall and screaming, while the other candidates seem more calm. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 14 2016 07:27 Howie_Dewitt wrote: I have two questions. 1. Do you think the libertarian party would have had a better chance with their ticket reversed? 2. How has each president over the last 40 years handled the stress of being president? Trump seems like he would start slamming his head into a wall and screaming, while the other candidates seem more calm. 1. No because libertarianism is rooted in a fantasy universe. On paper they've got some ideas that do sound great, and would work if the world was perfect and filled with perfect people and perfect information. Unfortunately for them that isn't the world we occupy and as such its quite easy to poke holes in their ideology. It doesn't matter who the spokesman is if your ideas don't line up with reality. 2. I'm scared to imagine how he'd deal with the extreme stress and insanity of being the most powerful man on earth. | ||
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