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Hexe
United States332 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:50 Orome wrote: i remember being disgusted 8 years ago by how much of a shitshow the us presidential debates were lol dude what? McCain vs Obama was pretty good, but lopsided. Romney vs Obama debates were like shakespeare vs this. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:51 Plansix wrote: Betting markets matter less than polling numbers. There are only so many undecided voters left. Plus the RNC isn't really supporting him, which means his ground game on election day could be terrible. These debates have diminishing returns as time goes on. Betting markets are pretty smart, so it means something, but it also shows us that any win he had was, again, minor at best. Definitely not good enough. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:51 parkufarku wrote: Man. Both these choices are gross. And to think, we had Bernie fuckin' Sanders available as a candidate. FDR of our generation. Thanks establishment for making that option unavailable and fucking that up. But they would probably prefer Trump over Sanders. I think you overstate bernie's potential. I also wouldn't really blame the establishment for it. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:51 parkufarku wrote: Man. Both these choices are gross. And to think, we had Bernie fuckin' Sanders available as a candidate. FDR of our generation. Thanks establishment for making that option unavailable and fucking that up. Well, I think Bernie shares some of the blame too (even though I voted for him). There were some missed opportunities and had he switched to a [D] earlier and worked with the party more I think he could have done it (I can see him and Gravel getting along). | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:51 Plansix wrote: Betting markets matter less than polling numbers. There are only so many undecided voters left. Plus the RNC isn't really supporting him, which means his ground game on election day could be terrible. These debates have diminishing returns as time goes on. His problem is that his ceiling in debates is 'not imploding', which is fine relative to expectations but not enough to recover as much ground as he needs to. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12619 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:53 TheTenthDoc wrote: Well, I think Bernie shares some of the blame too (even though I voted for him). There were some missed opportunities and had he switched to a [D] earlier and worked with the party more I think he could have done it (I can see him and Gravel getting along). Bernie planned to do what he eventually did. He wanted to have a great showing, then be in a position of strength to pressure Clinton into being more progressive. At some point during the primary, he realized he could actually make it, and so he adapted and tried. But it was too late. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:52 Hexe wrote: dude what? McCain vs Obama was pretty good, but lopsided. Romney vs Obama debates were like shakespeare vs this. Kenyan Muslim Socialist Obama and Sarah Palin was a pretty low bar dude. Whats pathetic is apparently the bar could actually fall to the center of the earth in 8 years time and we already thought we were at rock bottom. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States1000 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:54 Dan HH wrote: His problem is that his ceiling in debates is 'not imploding', which is fine relative to expectations but not enough to recover as much ground as he needs to. Out of curiosity, what do you think Clinton's ceiling in the debate is? I.e. If Trump needs to not implode, what does Clinton need to do? | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:54 OuchyDathurts wrote: Kenyan Muslim Socialist Obama and Sarah Palin was a pretty low bar dude. Whats pathetic is apparently the bar could actually fall to the center of the earth in 8 years time and we already thought we were at rock bottom. Well, luckily none of those things came up at the Presidential debates. Biden did make Palin look pretty bad though (not nearly as bad as Paul Ryan). | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:55 Monochromatic wrote: Out of curiosity, what do you think Clinton's ceiling in the debate is? I.e. If Trump needs to not implode, what does Clinton need to do? Come off as being real and not a politician-bot On October 10 2016 11:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Do non-GOP or Democrat candidates get media coverage? Or are they fucked from the start? They're completely fucked | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:51 Stratos_speAr wrote: He needs to make up huge ground in the polls. At best, all his performance did was stem the gushing wound that his recording made. He definitely didn't make up any ground in the polls, which look horrendous for him. Even then the only reason Trump seemed to have won is because the expectations were so low. His ability to talk about anything concrete or any specific policies is still non-existent. Sure he can still make Clinton look bad on a few issues, but when they're trading almost evenly it doesn't really seem like enough. Trump's performance was just enough to keep him limping along at best. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9336 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Do non-GOP or Democrat candidates get media coverage? Or are they fucked from the start? depends on how high they're polling. they do get some coverage, usually not a lot. But it does depend alot on how interesting they are (some people sell well). They're always kinda screwed from the start; of course most aren't that good anyways. They'll also get decent coverage if they can poll above 10% or so | ||
KwarK
United States44428 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote: You think Farage's debate coaching made a difference in this one? Farage has never been in a serious debate. He's not a politician in the UK. He's like Gary Johnson. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:58 Doodsmack wrote: It's funny because while I think Trump did a lot better than his first debate, the "I disagree with my VP on that policy because we haven't spoken" and "I will appoint a prosecutor to put you in jail" will be the biggest headlines. And they aren't good for him. What about his admission of not paying personal income taxes or "Not knowing anything about Russia"? Those seem likely to come back up too. On October 10 2016 11:58 zlefin wrote: depends on how high they're polling. they do get some coverage, usually not a lot. But it does depend alot on how interesting they are (some people sell well). They're always kinda screwed from the start; of course most aren't that good anyways. They'll also get decent coverage if they can poll above 10% or so Take this cycle. Johnson had some chances to get increasingly large coverage and then totally shot himself in the foot and became a huge joke. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote: People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost? I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times. Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:56 TheTenthDoc wrote: Well, luckily none of those things came up at the Presidential debates. Biden did make Palin look pretty bad though (not nearly as bad as Paul Ryan). Thats true they might not have come up in the debate at the time, I don't specifically recall the debates anymore. Was more referring to the level of discourse overall. Everyone thought that was rock bottom and boy were they wrong. | ||
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KwarK
United States44428 Posts
On October 10 2016 11:47 oBlade wrote: Does Europe still have countries by the way? No, it was destroyed by immigrants. Did you not hear? It has literally been destroyed. It's gone now. | ||
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