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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109161
On October 10 2016 11:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
I got the feeling Trump rolled over Hillary for the first part and won solidly the rest, but I'm too biased to judge.

He does seem to be back fully on the race though?

hes a long long way away from 50% chance of winning the election
© Current year.
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109162
If I gave the kinds of rambling responses during a job interview that Donald Trump did in the debate I would be permanently unemployed
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109163
On October 10 2016 11:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Trump did significantly better than the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first 45 minutes or so especially.

The problem is that the bar was set really, really low by the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first part of the debate because Hillary could never look good in a shit-slinging contest; if she tries to yell over him or get down in the mud, people will just think badly of her, whereas we expect Trump to do it.

Like last time though, Trump continued to look worse and worse as the night went on. His policy answers were awful, he repeatedly demonstrated complete ignorance about how both the government and the economy work, he repeatedly interrupted Clinton and whined and argued with the moderators, he continued to blatantly lie about countless things that can readily be fact-checked, and he almost never answered the question. Hillary took him to town on actual policy-related answers and looked significantly more calm and composed for the entire debate.

First debate: 80:20 Hillary.
2nd Debate: 55:45 Hillary.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Trump could get a poll bump from this debate. Too many sound bites and pictures that will make him look bad in the next few media cycles, particularly when he said that he hasn't talked to Pence and that he disagrees with him. At absolute best, Trump marginally outperformed Clinton in the eyes of the public, but it will probably be swayed by how the media portrays the debate: there weren't many (if any) really good lines or sound bites digging into Clinton, whereas there were still quite a few that can look bad for Trump. His performance probably looked a lot better to his supporters, but I highly doubt that it would sway any undecided voters.

100% agree with this assessment at this point in the race.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:48:37
October 10 2016 02:48 GMT
#109164
On October 10 2016 11:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Trump did significantly better than the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first 45 minutes or so especially.

The problem is that the bar was set really, really low by the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first part of the debate because Hillary could never look good in a shit-slinging contest; if she tries to yell over him or get down in the mud, people will just think badly of her, whereas we expect Trump to do it.

Like last time though, Trump continued to look worse and worse as the night went on. His policy answers were awful, he repeatedly demonstrated complete ignorance about how both the government and the economy work, he repeatedly interrupted Clinton and whined and argued with the moderators, he continued to blatantly lie about countless things that can readily be fact-checked, and he almost never answered the question. Hillary took him to town on actual policy-related answers and looked significantly more calm and composed for the entire debate.

First debate: 80:20 Hillary.
2nd Debate: 55:45 Hillary.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Trump could get a poll bump from this debate. Too many sound bites and pictures that will make him look bad in the next few media cycles, particularly when he said that he hasn't talked to Pence and that he disagrees with him. At absolute best, Trump marginally outperformed Clinton in the eyes of the public, but it will probably be swayed by how the media portrays the debate: there weren't many (if any) really good lines or sound bites digging into Clinton, whereas there were still quite a few that can look bad for Trump. His performance probably looked a lot better to his supporters, but I highly doubt that it would sway any undecided voters.


I think I'd say 55:45 Trump. Maybe 60:40. I hope I'm underestimating the American people's ability to critically think and collect information, though. Otherwise I agree.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:48:48
October 10 2016 02:48 GMT
#109165
My favorite part of the debate was the end when Trump said Hillary was tough like a fighter and he respected it and Hillary smiled a genuine smile and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside that there might be hope for our future it was cute =^.^=
zf
Profile Joined April 2011
231 Posts
October 10 2016 02:49 GMT
#109166
I've given up predicting how people will react to presidential debates. Time to wait for tomorrow's polls.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 10 2016 02:49 GMT
#109167
If you think Trump won that debate, then you're bar for him is set so fucking low that a mouse couldn't squeeze under it.

Regardless, Trump lost the election tonight. The only way he could have won was to absolutely CRUSH this debate, even worse than he lost the first one. He came nowhere close to that. There is no chance this debate, even if you say he won (though more likely it was a tie, or a minor loss for him), the lewd comment tape will crush him a lot more than this might help.

Coupled with the fact that more tapes are supposed to be coming soon, he has no chance. Third debate doesn't matter.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 10 2016 02:49 GMT
#109168
On October 10 2016 11:45 Blisse wrote:
Trump didn't really have any strong responses but Hillary couldn't bait him into a frenzy. Hillary's responses were by far more composed and well-substantiated. Trump would respond without any substance and turn it into an attack on Hillary. When Hillary had a good response it sounded very strong but she couldn't follow it up with more strong responses. Trump just randomly has strong sentences and then goes back into rambling.

I guess that's a win for Trump? Isn't that just sad?


I think that, at best, it was a draw. Trump just looked so incredibly bad by being incapable of answering the question and constantly bickering with the moderators. That will only appeal to those that already fervently support him.

You think Farage's debate coaching made a difference in this one?


It definitely helped, but Trump is still Trump. The debate went in the exact same trajectory as the previous one, where Trump was calm, quiet, and composed, but became more and more unraveled as time went on. It was just not as extreme this time.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 10 2016 02:49 GMT
#109169
On October 10 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
My favorite part of the debate was the end when Trump said Hillary was tough like a fighter and he respected it and Hillary smiled a genuine smile and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside that there might be hope for our future it was cute =^.^=


She's a cold shell of a woman who probably hasn't received real appreciation in a long time. That was a sincere compliment.
Question.?
Netscape9
Profile Joined March 2015
United States139 Posts
October 10 2016 02:49 GMT
#109170
On October 10 2016 11:47 jalstar wrote:
Google searches for "third party" spiked during the debate:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 1-d&q=third party

Why is it a popular term in the Philippines?
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 10 2016 02:50 GMT
#109171
On October 10 2016 11:47 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
I got the feeling Trump rolled over Hillary for the first part and won solidly the rest, but I'm too biased to judge.

He does seem to be back fully on the race though?

hes a long long way away from 50% chance of winning the election


He went from 19-20% to 23-24% on betting markets. Hillary had a 5-10 point spike after the first debate, don't remember exactly.

So yeah he needed to win by more.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:51:56
October 10 2016 02:50 GMT
#109172
On October 10 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
My favorite part of the debate was the end when Trump said Hillary was tough like a fighter and he respected it and Hillary smiled a genuine smile and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside that there might be hope for our future it was cute =^.^=


Well he also said he's going to try to put her in jail if he's elected, so don't get too warm and fuzzy now.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 02:50 GMT
#109173
On October 10 2016 11:49 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
My favorite part of the debate was the end when Trump said Hillary was tough like a fighter and he respected it and Hillary smiled a genuine smile and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside that there might be hope for our future it was cute =^.^=


She's a cold shell of a woman who probably hasn't received real appreciation in a long time. That was a sincere compliment.


IT WAS SO CUTE THOUGH
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
October 10 2016 02:50 GMT
#109174
Didn't Pence make those Russian comments in the vice presidential debate? I see Trump saying that he disagrees with him as indicative of one of the large problems with his campaign all along, that he barely has any policies outlined.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 10 2016 02:50 GMT
#109175
i remember being disgusted 8 years ago by how much of a shitshow the us presidential debates were

lol
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 10 2016 02:51 GMT
#109176
Thinking about it, I can't wrap my head around why Trump didn't just say "fuck it" and agree with Pence. Like, what's the point? He doesn't care about lying or contradicting himself the rest of the time.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 02:51 GMT
#109177
On October 10 2016 11:50 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:47 CorsairHero wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
I got the feeling Trump rolled over Hillary for the first part and won solidly the rest, but I'm too biased to judge.

He does seem to be back fully on the race though?

hes a long long way away from 50% chance of winning the election


He went from 19-20% to 23-24% on betting markets. Hillary had a 5-10 point spike after the first debate, don't remember exactly.

So yeah he needed to win by more.

Betting markets matter less than polling numbers. There are only so many undecided voters left. Plus the RNC isn't really supporting him, which means his ground game on election day could be terrible. These debates have diminishing returns as time goes on.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:52:16
October 10 2016 02:51 GMT
#109178
Man. Both these choices are gross.

And to think, we had Bernie fuckin' Sanders available as a candidate. FDR of our generation. Thanks establishment for making that option unavailable and fucking that up.

But they would probably prefer Trump over Sanders.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 10 2016 02:51 GMT
#109179
On October 10 2016 11:47 Netscape9 wrote:
Ultimately I think Trump won, he came out looking better. Clinton didn't look particular bad though, she was more neutral. All Trump really had to do in this was stop the surge of people abandoning him.


He needs to make up huge ground in the polls. At best, all his performance did was stem the gushing wound that his recording made. He definitely didn't make up any ground in the polls, which look horrendous for him.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 02:52 GMT
#109180
On October 10 2016 11:50 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:My favorite part of the debate was the end when Trump said Hillary was tough like a fighter and he respected it and Hillary smiled a genuine smile and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside that there might be hope for our future it was cute =^.^=


Well he also said he's going to try to put her in jail if he's elected, so don't get too warm and fuzzy now.

Yeah, threatening to jail your political opponent is a good stance to have. Very American.
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