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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4894 Posts
October 10 2016 02:43 GMT
#109141
On October 10 2016 11:41 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:40 oBlade wrote:
Not a great poll, assumes you support someone.

Does anyone watch the debates while having no stance on the election at this point?


I hate both of them, I was only one (that I saw) to answer "neither" on the "who are you rotting for" question.

But the categories are ok, no need to have too many. Just need a "they both sucked" option.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
October 10 2016 02:43 GMT
#109142
On October 10 2016 11:42 parkufarku wrote:
Trump should've complimented her about how well she can talk as a politician - going back to the democratic primaries, Hillary lied through her teeth that she couldn't talk like a smooth politician but that's exactly what she is. She's super good at lying and changing the subject.

Nah, he closed it out very simply, it was a great look.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 10 2016 02:43 GMT
#109143
On October 10 2016 11:42 parkufarku wrote:
Trump should've complimented her about how well she can talk as a politician - going back to the democratic primaries, Hillary lied through her teeth that she couldn't talk like a smooth politician but that's exactly what she is. She's super good at lying and changing the subject.


The height of irony
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5872 Posts
October 10 2016 02:44 GMT
#109144
Here's a link to the pre-debate poll results:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26088558
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:46:02
October 10 2016 02:44 GMT
#109145
Given what I know of what I perceive to be reality, Trump really fucked up some attack lines.

But I think so many of the people whose opinions are malleable at this point don't know what I know that those attack lines probably played well. The thing about her Senatorship is a good example here.

On October 10 2016 11:42 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:42 Rebs wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:40 biology]major wrote:
They actually asked hrc tough questions this time unlike lester's shit show. 1-1


Not at all... This one was a total split.

Tell me one thing that would split an a thinking independent toward Trump that he said today ?

Said he disagrees with Pence.


Not on any of the things independents care about. Just the Russia policy which plays into the Putin's buddy angle. And overall that just looks really bad-especially juxtaposed with his other Russia comments after the U.S. formally accused them.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:46:29
October 10 2016 02:44 GMT
#109146
Trump did significantly better than the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first 45 minutes or so especially.

The problem is that the bar was set really, really low by the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first part of the debate because Hillary could never look good in a shit-slinging contest; if she tries to yell over him or get down in the mud, people will just think badly of her, whereas we expect Trump to do it.

Like last time though, Trump continued to look worse and worse as the night went on. His policy answers were awful, he repeatedly demonstrated complete ignorance about how both the government and the economy work, he repeatedly interrupted Clinton and whined and argued with the moderators, he continued to blatantly lie about countless things that can readily be fact-checked, and he almost never answered the question. Hillary took him to town on actual policy-related answers and looked significantly more calm and composed for the entire debate.

First debate: 80:20 Hillary.
2nd Debate: 55:45 Hillary.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Trump could get a poll bump from this debate. Too many sound bites and pictures that will make him look bad in the next few media cycles, particularly when he said that he hasn't talked to Pence and that he disagrees with him. At absolute best, Trump marginally outperformed Clinton in the eyes of the public, but it will probably be swayed by how the media portrays the debate: there weren't many (if any) really good lines or sound bites digging into Clinton, whereas there were still quite a few that can look bad for Trump. His performance probably looked a lot better to his supporters, but I highly doubt that it would sway any undecided voters.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 10 2016 02:44 GMT
#109147
does everyone in the audience have disposable film cameras??
© Current year.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12387 Posts
October 10 2016 02:44 GMT
#109148
On October 10 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:41 KwarK wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:40 oBlade wrote:
Not a great poll, assumes you support someone.

Does anyone watch the debates while having no stance on the election at this point?

Probably many Euros and such.


Euros are laughing at you even having Trump as a candidate. He has a pew poll with single digit support amongst Europeans.
No will to live, no wish to die
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 10 2016 02:45 GMT
#109149
Hillary should just release another ad with Trump countering half of Pence's responses from the VP debate.
Yargh
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 10 2016 02:45 GMT
#109150
On October 10 2016 11:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Trump did significantly better than the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first 45 minutes or so especially.

The problem is that the bar was set really, really low by the last debate. He had the upper hand during the first part of the debate because Hillary could never look good in a shit-slinging contest; if she tries to yell over him or get down in the mud, people will just think badly of her, whereas we expect Trump to do it.

Like last time though, Trump continued to look worse and worse as the night went on. His policy answers were awful, he repeatedly demonstrated complete ignorance about how both the government and the economy work, he repeatedly interrupted Clinton and whined and argued with the moderators, and he almost never answered the question. Hillary took him to town on actual policy-related answers and looked significantly more calm and composed for the entire debate.

First debate: 80:20 Hillary.
2nd Debate: 55:45 Hillary.

I don't think there's a chance in hell that Trump could get a poll bump from this debate. Too many sound bites and pictures that will make him look bad in the next few media cycles, particularly when he said that he hasn't talked to Pence and that he disagrees with him. His performance probably looked a lot better to his supporters, but I highly doubt that it would sway any undecided voters.


Wholeheartedly agree with this.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 02:45 GMT
#109151
You think Farage's debate coaching made a difference in this one?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
October 10 2016 02:45 GMT
#109152
Trump didn't really have any strong responses but Hillary couldn't bait him into a frenzy. Hillary's responses were by far more composed and well-substantiated. Trump would respond without any substance and turn it into an attack on Hillary. When Hillary had a good response it sounded very strong but she couldn't follow it up with more strong responses. Trump just randomly has strong sentences and then goes back into rambling.

I guess that's a win for Trump? Isn't that just sad?
There is no one like you in the universe.
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:46:24
October 10 2016 02:46 GMT
#109153
This post debate show has talked about trump for every single fucking talking point. been 20 minutes
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 10 2016 02:46 GMT
#109154
I got the feeling Trump rolled over Hillary for the first part and won solidly the rest, but I'm too biased to judge.

He does seem to be back fully on the race though?
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 10 2016 02:46 GMT
#109155
On October 10 2016 11:41 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:40 oBlade wrote:
Not a great poll, assumes you support someone.

Does anyone watch the debates while having no stance on the election at this point?


Third party voters like me don't really support either candidate.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109156
Google searches for "third party" spiked during the debate:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 1-d&q=third party
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5872 Posts
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109157
On October 10 2016 11:44 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:41 oBlade wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:41 KwarK wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:40 oBlade wrote:
Not a great poll, assumes you support someone.

Does anyone watch the debates while having no stance on the election at this point?

Probably many Euros and such.


Euros are laughing at you even having Trump as a candidate. He has a pew poll with single digit support amongst Europeans.

Does Europe still have countries by the way?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Netscape9
Profile Joined March 2015
United States139 Posts
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109158
Ultimately I think Trump won, he came out looking better. Clinton didn't look particular bad though, she was more neutral. All Trump really had to do in this was stop the surge of people abandoning him.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 02:48:57
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109159
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States998 Posts
October 10 2016 02:47 GMT
#109160
On October 10 2016 11:47 jalstar wrote:
Google searches for "third party" spiked during the debate:

https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now 1-d&q=third party


Good thing we don't have any third parties at the debate, they might gain support!
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