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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2016 02:59 GMT
#109201
On October 10 2016 11:59 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You think Farage's debate coaching made a difference in this one?

Farage has never been in a serious debate. He's not a politician in the UK. He's like Gary Johnson.

Eh, Gary Johnson was a former governor.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 02:59 GMT
#109202
On October 10 2016 11:58 Doodsmack wrote:
It's funny because while I think Trump did a lot better than his first debate, the "I disagree with my VP on that policy because we haven't spoken" and "I will appoint a prosecutor to put you in jail" will be the biggest headlines. And they aren't good for him.


I openly laughed at the first one.

I actually think it will be good for him, but it comes at the cost of making Pence look bad and Pence is not going to be happy with him for it
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2016 02:59 GMT
#109203
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 03:03:40
October 10 2016 03:01 GMT
#109204
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 10 2016 03:01 GMT
#109205
On October 10 2016 11:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:58 Doodsmack wrote:
It's funny because while I think Trump did a lot better than his first debate, the "I disagree with my VP on that policy because we haven't spoken" and "I will appoint a prosecutor to put you in jail" will be the biggest headlines. And they aren't good for him.


I openly laughed at the first one.

I actually think it will be good for him, but it comes at the cost of making Pence look bad and Pence is not going to be happy with him for it


This + the Friday comments would make it really hard for me to cope with myself if I were Pence. But I'm not, fortunately.

I also don't get how the splitting with Pence on Pence's long, detailed, thorough Russia policy is good for Trump, could you elaborate? I'm genuinely curious.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2016 03:01 GMT
#109206
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
October 10 2016 03:01 GMT
#109207
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

stamina, clinton needed to rest some times
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43558 Posts
October 10 2016 03:02 GMT
#109208
On October 10 2016 11:59 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:59 KwarK wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You think Farage's debate coaching made a difference in this one?

Farage has never been in a serious debate. He's not a politician in the UK. He's like Gary Johnson.

Eh, Gary Johnson was a former governor.

True. Whereas Farage has never won a seat in the Houses of Parliament.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 10 2016 03:02 GMT
#109209
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Yeah it's interesting to me he spent 100 million but nobody coaches him on body language
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 03:02 GMT
#109210
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9172 Posts
October 10 2016 03:02 GMT
#109211
On October 10 2016 11:55 Monochromatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:54 Dan HH wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:51 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:50 jalstar wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:47 CorsairHero wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:46 GoTuNk! wrote:
I got the feeling Trump rolled over Hillary for the first part and won solidly the rest, but I'm too biased to judge.

He does seem to be back fully on the race though?

hes a long long way away from 50% chance of winning the election


He went from 19-20% to 23-24% on betting markets. Hillary had a 5-10 point spike after the first debate, don't remember exactly.

So yeah he needed to win by more.

Betting markets matter less than polling numbers. There are only so many undecided voters left. Plus the RNC isn't really supporting him, which means his ground game on election day could be terrible. These debates have diminishing returns as time goes on.

His problem is that his ceiling in debates is 'not imploding', which is fine relative to expectations but not enough to recover as much ground as he needs to.


Out of curiosity, what do you think Clinton's ceiling in the debate is?

I.e. If Trump needs to not implode, what does Clinton need to do?

To bore people by being a policy nerd. She's not particularly charismatic or quick witted, and being so far ahead she doesn't need any haymakers, best thing she can do is use Trump as contrast to show off her competence.
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
October 10 2016 03:02 GMT
#109212
On October 10 2016 12:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/785311793853952000

you go get em Jeb!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 03:03 GMT
#109213
On October 10 2016 12:02 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Yeah it's interesting to me he spent 100 million but nobody coaches him on body language

He doesn't listen. He thinks he is perfect because he can draw huge crowds and that it all that matters.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 10 2016 03:03 GMT
#109214
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
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tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
October 10 2016 03:03 GMT
#109215
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie and I think I support Hillary more. I think she had better answers when it came to policy and just straight up substance when it comes to ruling the country, but I really disliked her constant fixation on Russia on several topics. I think she brought it up like 3 or 4 times throughout the debate.

Trump was just doing Trump things.

So she kinda did well and then did awful at the same time, which makes it a tie for me.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 03:03 GMT
#109216
On October 10 2016 12:01 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:58 Doodsmack wrote:
It's funny because while I think Trump did a lot better than his first debate, the "I disagree with my VP on that policy because we haven't spoken" and "I will appoint a prosecutor to put you in jail" will be the biggest headlines. And they aren't good for him.


I openly laughed at the first one.

I actually think it will be good for him, but it comes at the cost of making Pence look bad and Pence is not going to be happy with him for it


This + the Friday comments would make it really hard for me to cope with myself if I were Pence. But I'm not, fortunately.

I also don't get how the splitting with Pence on Pence's long, detailed, thorough Russia policy is good for Trump, could you elaborate? I'm genuinely curious.


I think it was very much a gut answer that came across as real and unrehearsed

Basically + points for the humanizes him category as not just being another politician-bot, an area Hillary struggles with

I think it isn't something that is going to hurt him with his supporters at all. Independents? Maybe
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 10 2016 03:05 GMT
#109217
On October 10 2016 12:03 tyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie and I think I support Hillary more. I think she had better answers when it came to policy and just straight up substance when it comes to ruling the country, but I really disliked her constant fixation on Russia on several topics. I think she brought it up like 3 or 4 times throughout the debate.

Trump was just doing Trump things.

So she kinda did well and then did awful at the same time, which makes it a tie for me.


Yeah the Red Baiting recently has been terrible. Especially because of how much focus is on Trump alienating minorities in an us vs them mentality. You can't just turn around and do the exact same thing to Russia :/.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 03:05 GMT
#109218
On October 10 2016 12:02 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:59 Nevuk wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 KwarK wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You think Farage's debate coaching made a difference in this one?

Farage has never been in a serious debate. He's not a politician in the UK. He's like Gary Johnson.

Eh, Gary Johnson was a former governor.

True. Whereas Farage has never won a seat in the Houses of Parliament.


What exactly has he even done? I was under the impression he did a lot to get Brexit to pass
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 03:05 GMT
#109219
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12387 Posts
October 10 2016 03:06 GMT
#109220
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I mean

If I wanted to photoshop an image to make Trump look ridiculous, I would end up with something like that
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