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On October 10 2016 12:12 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost? I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times. Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough. If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night. Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. exactly. The faith in the FBI is at an all time low, that plus Bill and the AG speaking before fbi recommendations just makes it look that much worse. It really is a shame, that the average american won't get anywhere near that level of cooperation. Trump nailed it with that line of attack.
Right because those undecided voters are all about putting Hillary in jail. Hence why they're still considering voting for her.
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Was pretty much a wash, but that favors Clinton. Trump needed something to get the news cycle attention off of "grab her by the pussy" and nothing comes close to that. His attempt to deflect to Bill Clinton was ill-advised beforehand.
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On October 10 2016 12:16 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:12 biology]major wrote:On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost? I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times. Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough. If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night. Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. exactly. The faith in the FBI is at an all time low, that plus Bill and the AG speaking before fbi recommendations just makes it look that much worse. It really is a shame, that the average american won't get anywhere near that level of cooperation. Trump nailed it with that line of attack. Right because those undecided voters are all about putting Hillary in jail. Hence why they're still considering voting for her.
The logic behind this post is overwhelming.
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On October 10 2016 12:16 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:12 biology]major wrote:On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost? I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times. Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough. If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night. Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. exactly. The faith in the FBI is at an all time low, that plus Bill and the AG speaking before fbi recommendations just makes it look that much worse. It really is a shame, that the average american won't get anywhere near that level of cooperation. Trump nailed it with that line of attack. Right because those undecided voters are all about putting Hillary in jail. Hence why they're still considering voting for her.
most undecided voters are trying to decide which candidate they hate less.
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Only Hillary could've whiffed the lay-up that could've put away his shots at the presidency.
And I don't think it's the kind of debate performance more preparation can fix.
In the Tie/minor +Trump of the debate, the moderation was 0.o
I keep on lowering my expectations and they keep on beating them.
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It's been interesting to see how many people you can describe as #NeverTrump are representing him as having literally no chance to win the election.
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On October 10 2016 12:17 Danglars wrote:Only Hillary could've whiffed the lay-up that could've put away his shots at the presidency. And I don't think it's the kind of debate performance more preparation can fix. https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/785309904458227716In the Tie/minor +Trump of the debate, the moderation was 0.o I keep on lowering my expectations and they keep on beating them.
At some point, it might be time to realize that it isn't the moderator's fault that these debates are a disaster.
Maybe it's the disaster that they have to try to moderate.
I also found it amusing that, of course, Trump + his supporters started whining about how unfair everything was the moment the debate started.
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I thought this was the best moderation we've seen in a while. They weren't afraid to shut up either candidate, both got equal talking time, and they asked pointed follow up questions when the politicians tried to dodge questions.
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I would say Trump won the battle, slightly, but lost the war. He has a particular... style of debating that is effective. Basically he spouts few stats and then a bunch of falsehoods amidst a bunch of word salad. It's so comprehensively wrong that it's difficult to respond to concisely - it's like having to start from the basics of addition for someone who is pretending to math, then working your way up to how they're wrong in multiple different ways. So stylistically he looks better (much like how Pence looked better, they both lie in a way that is fairly effective in the debate formats), but they leave a ton of materiel on the battlefield which the Clinton campaign turns into solid attack ads.
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Assessing what's going on in the debate solely by reading this thread is like trying to parse meaning from a bunch of cacophonous of howler monkeys.
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On October 10 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
My favorite part of the debate was the end when Trump said Hillary was tough like a fighter and he respected it and Hillary smiled a genuine smile and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside that there might be hope for our future it was cute =^.^=
Right after he said she would be in jail if he was President... That's like the most Strong man dictator rhetoric I have ever heard in any debate even by actual dictators..
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On October 10 2016 12:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
I would say Trump won the battle, slightly, but lost the war. He ha a particular... style of debating that is effective. Basically he spouts few stats and then a bunch of falsehoods amidst a bunch of word salad. It's so comprehensively wrong that it's difficult to respond to concisely - it's like having to start from the basics of addition for someone who is pretending to math, then working your way up to how they're wrong in multiple different ways. So stylistically he looks better (much like how Pence looked better, they both lie in a way that is fairly effective in the debate formats), but they leave a ton of materiel on the battlefield which the Clinton campaign turns into solid attack ads.
Yeah which is why it's so disappointing that the moderator team seems so ineffectual (or unwilling) to fact check things in real time.
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On October 10 2016 12:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:12 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost? I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times. Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough. If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night. Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity. okay we will see how this debate affects the polls. It won't. Trump is already losing and no one is going to change their mind based on this. People are kidding themselves if they think this is going to "change the game".
We'll see
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On October 10 2016 12:22 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:14 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
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I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.
Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough. If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night. Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity. okay we will see how this debate affects the polls. It won't. Trump is already losing and no one is going to change their mind based on this. People are kidding themselves if they think this is going to "change the game". We'll see
You think this debate performance will make up for the inevitable drop in the polls he will see as a result of the released tape?
Do you think it will hold up when other clips are released?
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On October 10 2016 12:20 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
My favorite part of the debate was the end when Trump said Hillary was tough like a fighter and he respected it and Hillary smiled a genuine smile and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside that there might be hope for our future it was cute =^.^= Right after he said she would be in jail if he was President... That's like the most Strong man dictator rhetoric I have ever heard in any debate even by actual dictators..
That shit, along with him lurking in the background being a creeper, is going to play terrible for those who did not watch. He just look like the nightmare he is.
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On October 10 2016 12:23 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:22 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 10 2016 12:14 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
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If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night. Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity. okay we will see how this debate affects the polls. It won't. Trump is already losing and no one is going to change their mind based on this. People are kidding themselves if they think this is going to "change the game". We'll see You think this debate performance will make up for the inevitable drop in the polls he will see as a result of the released tape? Do you think it will hold up when other clips are released?
It's really lucky that these tapes were found right when Wikileaks released private Clinton speeches.
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On October 10 2016 12:23 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:22 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 10 2016 12:14 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
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If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night. Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity. okay we will see how this debate affects the polls. It won't. Trump is already losing and no one is going to change their mind based on this. People are kidding themselves if they think this is going to "change the game". We'll see You think this debate performance will make up for the inevitable drop in the polls he will see as a result of the released tape? Do you think it will hold up when other clips are released?
I don't know. You're asking me to compare a known, which is this debate performance, with unknowns
We'll just have to wait and see
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On October 10 2016 12:25 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:23 On_Slaught wrote:On October 10 2016 12:22 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 10 2016 12:14 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
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Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch. Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language: + Show Spoiler + That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate. Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch. No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity. okay we will see how this debate affects the polls. It won't. Trump is already losing and no one is going to change their mind based on this. People are kidding themselves if they think this is going to "change the game". We'll see You think this debate performance will make up for the inevitable drop in the polls he will see as a result of the released tape? Do you think it will hold up when other clips are released? It's really lucky that these tapes were found right when Wikileaks released private Clinton speeches.
Yeah the nothing burger speeches they take imaginary dots to connect to something sinister. I've been looking for something seriously unequivocally disparaging in those alot of this weekend and I'm having a very hard time.
If anything alot of the content is pragmatic, sensible and forward thinking like she knows she's talking to smart people.
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Isn't it? That's what Trump's role model does to opposition members
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