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On October 10 2016 12:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Anyone watching the 538 live stream? Nate Silver just mentioned some poll that shows a tie/slight Clinton win, and I didn't catch which poll it was.
Fact checkers everywhere also killing Trump, but that isn't a surprise.
This is the "fact-checking" we're dealing with and it's why you don't want moderators purporting to be authoritative, which is why I respected when Anderson Cooper caught himself overextending and shut up at one point after interrupting.
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On October 10 2016 12:37 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton clashed for the second time at a town hall-style debate in St Louis, Missouri on Sunday Night.
According to YouGov's post-debate poll, which interviewed 812 registered voters who watched the debate, Hillary Clinton won the debate against Donald Trump by 47% to 42%. Clinton narrowly won undecideds 44% to 41%. She was also considered “more Presidential” by a 57% to 31% margin. There was a gender gap, however: women though Clinton won 50-38% while men thought Trump won 46-43%.
This page will be updated with additional details. https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/10/09/post-debate-poll/
Not surprising, but I want to see that quick poll that CNN always throws out post-debates, which is apparently surprisingly accurate and respectable.
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On October 10 2016 12:37 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Anyone watching the 538 live stream? Nate Silver just mentioned some poll that shows a tie/slight Clinton win, and I didn't catch which poll it was. Yeah, didn't catch the name of the poll either. Believe they said 47/42 Clinton
It is only going to get worst. Vowing to jail or prosecute his opponent if elected is all anyone is going to talk about beyond was is already on the table. That was a stupid thing to open with.
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Of everything to break with Pence on, the Russia stuff looks transcendentally bad if there's even a small bit of info out there with more Trump campaign-Russia connections. That's one of my big takeaways. Gay marriage? Abortion? Maybe more reasonable.
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cnn poll
debate watchers skew dem
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The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.
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On October 10 2016 12:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Of everything to break with Pence on, the Russia stuff looks transcendentally bad if there's even a small bit of info out there with more Trump campaign-Russia connections. That's one of my big takeaways. Gay marriage? Abortion? Maybe more reasonable.
Yeah, he's appealing to the "let's not start a war with Russia" demographic, which doesn't really exist in the US.
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On October 10 2016 12:30 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:29 L_Master wrote:
I don't understand these grades or win loss talk. Both failed miserably and by epic proportions.
Each question was the equivalent of being asked to write an essay on the validity of absolute morals and turning in a paper about why we need more public parks.
Damn near every question was either completely ignored, or answered in the most tangential of ways as a way to talk about the very general case.
Given the way candidates answer questions and the inability of moderators to get them to answer the actual questions I wonder why they have moderators and questions in any case.
Huge Fs for both candidates as usual, and more or a less meaningless debate in terms of gaining any usual information. That seems like at least somewhat selective hearing. Clinton, for example, gave a pretty direct and concrete answer on Energy and the role of renewable resources going forward. Though it was a bit of the exception instead of the norm.
In the general case yes. But still with a strong dodge component, as he specifically was asking the question about how job loss would be minimalized for fossil fuel workers. I don't recall Trump or Clinton responding to that aspect at all.
If they did, perhaps selective hearing in that case or bad memory.
However, that's still just one question of a dozen+
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On October 10 2016 12:40 ticklishmusic wrote:
cnn poll
debate watchers skew dem
57 -34
Oh man, not looking good for the GOP at all.
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On October 10 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:28 Danglars wrote:On October 10 2016 12:19 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 10 2016 12:17 Danglars wrote:
Only Hillary could've whiffed the lay-up that could've put away his shots at the presidency.
And I don't think it's the kind of debate performance more preparation can fix.
In the Tie/minor +Trump of the debate, the moderation was 0.o
I keep on lowering my expectations and they keep on beating them. At some point, it might be time to realize that it isn't the moderator's fault that these debates are a disaster. Maybe it's the disaster that they have to try to moderate. I also found it amusing that, of course, Trump + his supporters started whining about how unfair everything was the moment the debate started. They're responsible for their own performance not the results. We could just have a robot voice read the questions and no one hold the candidates accountable for what they say? And then everyone would whine about the quality of the questions and who got to go first.
The American people are the only ones to hold candidates accountable for what they say.
I don't care who whines about robots, that's a silly aside. American journalism can do better than the awful job shown today.
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On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.
That brave soul.
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On October 10 2016 12:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Of everything to break with Pence on, the Russia stuff looks transcendentally bad if there's even a small bit of info out there with more Trump campaign-Russia connections. That's one of my big takeaways. Gay marriage? Abortion? Maybe more reasonable.
If I remember, what happened was he said something, then the moderator reminded him it contradicted Pence? So if that's right he wouldn't walk anything back on a night like this.
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On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.
the fox one had 2 or 3. 13 for trump
I don't put any stock in any of these polls
I think it's just better to wait and see
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On October 10 2016 12:42 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:On October 10 2016 12:28 Danglars wrote:On October 10 2016 12:19 Stratos_speAr wrote:On October 10 2016 12:17 Danglars wrote:Only Hillary could've whiffed the lay-up that could've put away his shots at the presidency. And I don't think it's the kind of debate performance more preparation can fix. https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/785309904458227716In the Tie/minor +Trump of the debate, the moderation was 0.o I keep on lowering my expectations and they keep on beating them. At some point, it might be time to realize that it isn't the moderator's fault that these debates are a disaster. Maybe it's the disaster that they have to try to moderate. I also found it amusing that, of course, Trump + his supporters started whining about how unfair everything was the moment the debate started. They're responsible for their own performance not the results. We could just have a robot voice read the questions and no one hold the candidates accountable for what they say? And then everyone would whine about the quality of the questions and who got to go first. The American people are the only ones to hold candidates accountable for what they say. I don't care who whines about robots, that's a silly aside. American journalism can do better than the awful job shown today.
As I have said before, the side who's candidate preforms like shit often blame the moderator.
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On October 10 2016 12:38 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Anyone watching the 538 live stream? Nate Silver just mentioned some poll that shows a tie/slight Clinton win, and I didn't catch which poll it was.
Fact checkers everywhere also killing Trump, but that isn't a surprise. This is the "fact-checking" we're dealing with and it's why you don't want moderators purporting to be authoritative, which is why I respected when Anderson Cooper caught himself overextending and shut up at one point after interrupting. https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/785299709342654465
Selective literality has been an unforeseen trademark of the media campaign, that's for sure.
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On October 10 2016 12:43 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump. the fox one had 2 or 3. 13 for trump I don't put any stock in any of these polls I think it's just better to wait and see
Yougov and CNN flash polls are actually pretty well-respected and have been fairly predictive.
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