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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2016 03:57 GMT
#109321
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 03:58:55
October 10 2016 03:58 GMT
#109322
On October 10 2016 12:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:46 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.


the fox one had 2 or 3. 13 for trump

I don't put any stock in any of these polls
I think it's just better to wait and see


Yougov and CNN flash polls are actually pretty well-respected and have been fairly predictive.


well out of curiosity i looked at some random polls online
and most of them were very heavily skewed for trump

so w/e like I said, I shall not put stock in polls.

I mean... look at the poll above us
and this site is pretty intellectual, which is probably in general more skewed for hillary than trump compared to the average american


You're confusing polls with clickers. Yougov and CNN flash polls aren't clickers.


okay I see what you are saying but they are still polls
I get what you are saying though

still don't care, though. like I said, I will wait and see. I hardly think this thread is infested by people skewing things for trump.


maybe it's because this site is mostly men
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 03:58 GMT
#109323
On October 10 2016 12:55 Plansix wrote:




This will be the topic tomorrow. Have no doubt.


TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 10 2016 03:59 GMT
#109324
On October 10 2016 12:56 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:


Let's be real, with all the cheering going on from the audience, are you even the slightest bit skeptical about them being 'undecided voters'?

They are picked by Pew Research. But this is the internet and we can be skeptical about everything, not matter how well documented.


Oh I'm not skeptical about everything, but there are good reasons for being skeptical about the idea that these are truly undecided voters just because they clicked a few questions on a pew poll and got a positive response, which was likely the metric for deciding they were undecided

Undecided voters don't enthusiastically cheer when one candidate burns another

I'm willing to bet the majority of that audience knew who they were voting for before tonight


I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Templar here. Not that there's anything more that could have been done about it, and it's better than nothing at all.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2016 04:00 GMT
#109325
On October 10 2016 12:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/gbrockell/status/785319074083528704


Let's be real, with all the cheering going on from the audience, are you even the slightest bit skeptical about them being 'undecided voters'?

They are picked by Pew Research. But this is the internet and we can be skeptical about everything, not matter how well documented.

They were picked by Gallup, who has fucked up pretty hard in the last election (they had Romney winning in '12)
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 10 2016 04:00 GMT
#109326
I didn't believe her during the debate, but it does look like she *was* sort of talking about Lincoln during the speech if this passage is legitimate:

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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 10 2016 04:01 GMT
#109327
On October 10 2016 12:57 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:55 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:48 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:42 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:28 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:19 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:17 Danglars wrote:
Only Hillary could've whiffed the lay-up that could've put away his shots at the presidency.

And I don't think it's the kind of debate performance more preparation can fix.


In the Tie/minor +Trump of the debate, the moderation was 0.o
I keep on lowering my expectations and they keep on beating them.


At some point, it might be time to realize that it isn't the moderator's fault that these debates are a disaster.

Maybe it's the disaster that they have to try to moderate.

I also found it amusing that, of course, Trump + his supporters started whining about how unfair everything was the moment the debate started.

They're responsible for their own performance not the results.

We could just have a robot voice read the questions and no one hold the candidates accountable for what they say? And then everyone would whine about the quality of the questions and who got to go first.

The American people are the only ones to hold candidates accountable for what they say.

I don't care who whines about robots, that's a silly aside. American journalism can do better than the awful job shown today.

As I have said before, the side who's candidate preforms like shit often blame the moderator.

Trump performed fine, and the moderators sucked ass. Sincerely and objectively ^.^

You know your personal opinion on something can never be objective, right? Like every.

And you're just like so many political journalists and Clinton campaign workers throwing shit at walls seeing what will stick. He's criticizing the moderators, so you must accuse his side of whining, he must be trying to prop up a lousy performance, etc.

I'm wondering less about the robot that might replace the debate moderators and more about the robot that could replace your post writing. Why even try to have an honest discussion if the result is practically machine predictable?

One could equally create a robot to complain about the moderators whenever they make any interjection.

Do not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

I say we hire some Mexicans. I'm starting to see this as a job Americans are unwilling to do.

Right. Anytime they make any interjection. I think you're trying to eclipse the Trump campaign in hyperbolic speech. Is this some side-bet I wasn't aware of?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
October 10 2016 04:01 GMT
#109328
On October 10 2016 12:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:55 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/785315067378208768

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785314628834209793

This will be the topic tomorrow. Have no doubt.


https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/785320437286928384

Trump literally uttered the words that Clinton "would be in jail" as a result, which is a better representation of what Eichenwald said than the tweet you have quoted.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 04:01 GMT
#109329
On October 10 2016 12:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:55 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/785315067378208768

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785314628834209793

This will be the topic tomorrow. Have no doubt.


https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/785320437286928384

That isn't what he said. He said he would order the AG to assign a special prosecutor to the Clinton case. The AG is supposed to make that decision independent of the President, based on the facts of the case. He said he is going to put her on trial regardless of the merits of the case and against the previous decisions of the people who invested her in the first place.

And he also said she would end up in prison.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 04:02 GMT
#109330
On October 10 2016 13:01 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:55 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/785315067378208768

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785314628834209793

This will be the topic tomorrow. Have no doubt.


https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/785320437286928384

Trump literally uttered the words that Clinton "would be in jail" as a result, which is a better representation of what Eichenwald said than the tweet you have quoted.


Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
October 10 2016 04:03 GMT
#109331
On October 10 2016 13:01 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:57 Aquanim wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:55 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:48 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:42 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:28 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:19 Stratos_speAr wrote:
[quote]

At some point, it might be time to realize that it isn't the moderator's fault that these debates are a disaster.

Maybe it's the disaster that they have to try to moderate.

I also found it amusing that, of course, Trump + his supporters started whining about how unfair everything was the moment the debate started.

They're responsible for their own performance not the results.

We could just have a robot voice read the questions and no one hold the candidates accountable for what they say? And then everyone would whine about the quality of the questions and who got to go first.

The American people are the only ones to hold candidates accountable for what they say.

I don't care who whines about robots, that's a silly aside. American journalism can do better than the awful job shown today.

As I have said before, the side who's candidate preforms like shit often blame the moderator.

Trump performed fine, and the moderators sucked ass. Sincerely and objectively ^.^

You know your personal opinion on something can never be objective, right? Like every.

And you're just like so many political journalists and Clinton campaign workers throwing shit at walls seeing what will stick. He's criticizing the moderators, so you must accuse his side of whining, he must be trying to prop up a lousy performance, etc.

I'm wondering less about the robot that might replace the debate moderators and more about the robot that could replace your post writing. Why even try to have an honest discussion if the result is practically machine predictable?

One could equally create a robot to complain about the moderators whenever they make any interjection.

Do not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

I say we hire some Mexicans. I'm starting to see this as a job Americans are unwilling to do.

Right. Anytime they make any interjection. I think you're trying to eclipse the Trump campaign in hyperbolic speech. Is this some side-bet I wasn't aware of?

So I take it you would not care to address the argument that complaining about the moderators in this thread is at least as ubiquitous as complaining about those complaints.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2016 04:04 GMT
#109332
Radditz did very well, Cooper was kind of non-existent.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 04:04 GMT
#109333
On October 10 2016 13:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:01 Aquanim wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:55 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/BrendanNyhan/status/785315067378208768

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/785314628834209793

This will be the topic tomorrow. Have no doubt.


https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/785320437286928384

Trump literally uttered the words that Clinton "would be in jail" as a result, which is a better representation of what Eichenwald said than the tweet you have quoted.


https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/785323335982977025

That isn't' the job of the president. It isn't part of the job to decide who should be taken to trial. That is the AGs or FBIs job. Trump isn't even a lawyer, he shouldn't be never be making that call.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2016 04:04 GMT
#109334
Romney strategist

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 10 2016 04:06 GMT
#109335
On October 10 2016 12:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:44 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/gbrockell/status/785319074083528704


Let's be real, with all the cheering going on from the audience, are you even the slightest bit skeptical about them being 'undecided voters'?

Clinton and particularly Trump are hoping the decided voters are persuadable the other way for the good of the country. But when presented with such terrible choices, I don't know if undecided is even the right term for it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 04:08:12
October 10 2016 04:06 GMT
#109336
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416



It is going to be the only thing people talk about after the debate. And Trumps people are already saying he was joking.

A you do not threaten to jail your opponent and then walk it back saying you will give them a fair trial first.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 04:07 GMT
#109337
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416


Yea because that's what he did

When you run out of ideas you spin lies

politics 101
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 04:09:56
October 10 2016 04:09 GMT
#109338
On October 10 2016 13:06 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416



It is going to be the only thing people talk about after the debate. And Trumps people are already saying he was joking.

A you do not threaten to jail your opponent and then walk it back saying you will give them a fair trial first.


Yes the guy who despises Trump is clearly a 'Trump people'

It's already that time to spin bullshit lies and discredit anyone who disagrees with you as a 'trump person' isn't it
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 10 2016 04:09 GMT
#109339
On October 10 2016 12:58 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:46 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.


the fox one had 2 or 3. 13 for trump

I don't put any stock in any of these polls
I think it's just better to wait and see


Yougov and CNN flash polls are actually pretty well-respected and have been fairly predictive.


well out of curiosity i looked at some random polls online
and most of them were very heavily skewed for trump

so w/e like I said, I shall not put stock in polls.

I mean... look at the poll above us
and this site is pretty intellectual, which is probably in general more skewed for hillary than trump compared to the average american


You're confusing polls with clickers. Yougov and CNN flash polls aren't clickers.


okay I see what you are saying but they are still polls
I get what you are saying though

still don't care, though. like I said, I will wait and see. I hardly think this thread is infested by people skewing things for trump.


maybe it's because this site is mostly men


They aren't polls that matter in any way, shape, or form. All they are is who can make a bot to vote or who has more rabid no life followers who will actually spend their time spam voting in something completely meaningless. They're the exclusive reason things get named boaty mcboatface, why pitbull played a show in a walmart in Alaska, and the winner for a poll to name a Mountain Dew flavor was "Hitler did nothing wrong". They literally couldn't possibly matter less.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 10 2016 04:10 GMT
#109340
Well in any case, judging by Trump's effective damage control tonight, I think it's clear that this shitshow of a campaign will go on.
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