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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 04:10 GMT
#109341
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 04:10 GMT
#109342
On October 10 2016 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist



Yea because that's what he did

When you run out of ideas you spin lies

politics 101

Trump wasn't really talking about jailing her, just appointing someone to bring her to trial. It was all a joke, it will be fine. Also he is going to change libel and slander laws to stop the mean press. And then they might be in jail too, just joking, its fine.

People have been saying this shit since he started running and he has never changed his language about it. No one believes that he is joking or understands the rule of law.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 10 2016 04:11 GMT
#109343
Top story seems to be the "special prosecutor" remark. I think that will sit well with Trump's core and the anti-Hillary base?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 04:11 GMT
#109344
On October 10 2016 13:10 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416


Yea because that's what he did

When you run out of ideas you spin lies

politics 101

Trump wasn't really talking about jailing her, just appointing someone to bring her to trial. It was all a joke, it will be fine. Also he is going to change libel and slander laws to stop the mean press. And then they might be in jail too, just joking, its fine.

People have been saying this shit since he started running and he has never changed his language about it. No one believes that he is joking or understands the rule of law.


Don't worry it will be fine. you worry too much
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 10 2016 04:12 GMT
#109345
On October 10 2016 13:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/785331414254227456


Trump is the candidate, not a protester at the Dem convention, when will these comparisons stop?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 04:12 GMT
#109346
On October 10 2016 13:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:06 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416



It is going to be the only thing people talk about after the debate. And Trumps people are already saying he was joking.

A you do not threaten to jail your opponent and then walk it back saying you will give them a fair trial first.


Yes the guy who despises Trump is clearly a 'Trump people'

It's already that time to spin bullshit lies and discredit anyone who disagrees with you as a 'trump person' isn't it

Congrats, you found someone else who agrees with you. There is a staying about that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
October 10 2016 04:12 GMT
#109347
I know TL isn't a real source but 1) I didn't know so many people on TL supported Trump, and 2) if true it's amazing how rosy-eyed his supporters are if only 2 of them thought he lost the debate. I mean, it was obvious before but it's super crazy actually seeing it in person.

Would like to re-post this article about his supporters and Hillary because it makes so much sense IMO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/09/the-deep-disgust-for-hillary-clinton-that-drives-so-many-evangelicals-to-support-trump/
There is no one like you in the universe.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2016 04:13 GMT
#109348
On October 10 2016 13:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:10 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416


Yea because that's what he did

When you run out of ideas you spin lies

politics 101

Trump wasn't really talking about jailing her, just appointing someone to bring her to trial. It was all a joke, it will be fine. Also he is going to change libel and slander laws to stop the mean press. And then they might be in jail too, just joking, its fine.

People have been saying this shit since he started running and he has never changed his language about it. No one believes that he is joking or understands the rule of law.


Don't worry it will be fine. you worry too much

Yes, nothing will happen, don't worry, he's only calling for his supporters to assassinate her if he loses or jail her if he wins. He has to protect their precious feelings
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 10 2016 04:13 GMT
#109349
On October 10 2016 13:03 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:01 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:57 Aquanim wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:55 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:49 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:48 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:42 Danglars wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:29 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:28 Danglars wrote:
[quote]
They're responsible for their own performance not the results.

We could just have a robot voice read the questions and no one hold the candidates accountable for what they say? And then everyone would whine about the quality of the questions and who got to go first.

The American people are the only ones to hold candidates accountable for what they say.

I don't care who whines about robots, that's a silly aside. American journalism can do better than the awful job shown today.

As I have said before, the side who's candidate preforms like shit often blame the moderator.

Trump performed fine, and the moderators sucked ass. Sincerely and objectively ^.^

You know your personal opinion on something can never be objective, right? Like every.

And you're just like so many political journalists and Clinton campaign workers throwing shit at walls seeing what will stick. He's criticizing the moderators, so you must accuse his side of whining, he must be trying to prop up a lousy performance, etc.

I'm wondering less about the robot that might replace the debate moderators and more about the robot that could replace your post writing. Why even try to have an honest discussion if the result is practically machine predictable?

One could equally create a robot to complain about the moderators whenever they make any interjection.

Do not throw stones when you live in a glass house.

I say we hire some Mexicans. I'm starting to see this as a job Americans are unwilling to do.

Right. Anytime they make any interjection. I think you're trying to eclipse the Trump campaign in hyperbolic speech. Is this some side-bet I wasn't aware of?

So I take it you would not care to address the argument that complaining about the moderators in this thread is at least as ubiquitous as complaining about those complaints.

I'll accept that some here would defend the quality of the moderation even if they were busy shooting candidates on fifth avenue. Only whiners would complain, after all.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 10 2016 04:14 GMT
#109350
On October 10 2016 13:09 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:58 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:48 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:46 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.


the fox one had 2 or 3. 13 for trump

I don't put any stock in any of these polls
I think it's just better to wait and see


Yougov and CNN flash polls are actually pretty well-respected and have been fairly predictive.


well out of curiosity i looked at some random polls online
and most of them were very heavily skewed for trump

so w/e like I said, I shall not put stock in polls.

I mean... look at the poll above us
and this site is pretty intellectual, which is probably in general more skewed for hillary than trump compared to the average american


You're confusing polls with clickers. Yougov and CNN flash polls aren't clickers.


okay I see what you are saying but they are still polls
I get what you are saying though

still don't care, though. like I said, I will wait and see. I hardly think this thread is infested by people skewing things for trump.


maybe it's because this site is mostly men


They aren't polls that matter in any way, shape, or form. All they are is who can make a bot to vote or who has more rabid no life followers who will actually spend their time spam voting in something completely meaningless. They're the exclusive reason things get named boaty mcboatface, why pitbull played a show in a walmart in Alaska, and the winner for a poll to name a Mountain Dew flavor was "Hitler did nothing wrong". They literally couldn't possibly matter less.


I'm hoping by the time I die we either have chips wired in so clickers can't be gamed or we stop calling them polls entirely. I blame American Idol, personally.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 10 2016 04:14 GMT
#109351
On October 10 2016 13:12 Blisse wrote:
I know TL isn't a real source but 1) I didn't know so many people on TL supported Trump, and 2) if true it's amazing how rosy-eyed his supporters are if only 2 of them thought he lost the debate. I mean, it was obvious before but it's super crazy actually seeing it in person.

Would like to re-post this article about his supporters and Hillary because it makes so much sense IMO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/09/the-deep-disgust-for-hillary-clinton-that-drives-so-many-evangelicals-to-support-trump/


They don't. Someone botted the poll to skew it to say Trump won last time too.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 04:14 GMT
#109352
On October 10 2016 13:13 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:10 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416


Yea because that's what he did

When you run out of ideas you spin lies

politics 101

Trump wasn't really talking about jailing her, just appointing someone to bring her to trial. It was all a joke, it will be fine. Also he is going to change libel and slander laws to stop the mean press. And then they might be in jail too, just joking, its fine.

People have been saying this shit since he started running and he has never changed his language about it. No one believes that he is joking or understands the rule of law.


Don't worry it will be fine. you worry too much

Yes, nothing will happen, don't worry, he's only calling for his supporters to assassinate her if he loses or jail her if he wins. He has to protect their precious feelings

It will be fine, they only held a fake trial for her at the GOP convention and everything. And the last time a president ordered an AG to charge someone it was Nixon. But it will be FINE.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 04:15:55
October 10 2016 04:15 GMT
#109353
On October 10 2016 13:12 Blisse wrote:
I know TL isn't a real source but 1) I didn't know so many people on TL supported Trump, and 2) if true it's amazing how rosy-eyed his supporters are if only 2 of them thought he lost the debate. I mean, it was obvious before but it's super crazy actually seeing it in person.

Would like to re-post this article about his supporters and Hillary because it makes so much sense IMO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/09/the-deep-disgust-for-hillary-clinton-that-drives-so-many-evangelicals-to-support-trump/


I accept Trump not because I like Trump but I dislike the other option more - the establishment and Hillary. Us Bernie supporters were robbed of our democracy and election from right under this during Democratic primaries. That is why I'd rather see the country burn with 4 years of Trump than succumb to the rule of the Establishment taking away wealth, equality, voice, and now even the votes of the Middle class. Rigging the election is fucked up - I'm sure it happens every election, but this election, it was a serious case.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 10 2016 04:15 GMT
#109354
On October 10 2016 12:46 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.


the fox one had 2 or 3. 13 for trump

I don't put any stock in any of these polls
I think it's just better to wait and see


Yougov and CNN flash polls are actually pretty well-respected and have been fairly predictive.


well out of curiosity i looked at some random polls online
and most of them were very heavily skewed for trump

so w/e like I said, I shall not put stock in polls.

I mean... look at the poll above us
and this site is pretty intellectual, which is probably in general more skewed for hillary than trump compared to the average american

That's because online polls aren't good predictors at all, since determined people can and will vote multiple times to skew results. r/the_donald, for instance, constantly posts links to any and all online polls and gives instructions on how to refresh your IP to vote multiple times. For instance on this site, the last debate poll it was an overwhelming Clinton victory by most respected pollsters (and here as well before the brigades showed up, was like 80-20ish Clinton vs Trump for a good few hours, before a mass of votes came in to swap it over to like 60-40 Trump).

For the first 30 minutes after this poll went up after the debate, it was a tie between Clinton wins, Clinton supporter, and "Tie". I assume we're getting bandwagoned from somewhere since the poll shot rapidly in the other direction.


The CNN flash poll doesn't allow multiple votes and is much more respected, and is actually considered one of the better/best debate polls.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 10 2016 04:16 GMT
#109355
On October 10 2016 13:15 parkufarku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:12 Blisse wrote:
I know TL isn't a real source but 1) I didn't know so many people on TL supported Trump, and 2) if true it's amazing how rosy-eyed his supporters are if only 2 of them thought he lost the debate. I mean, it was obvious before but it's super crazy actually seeing it in person.

Would like to re-post this article about his supporters and Hillary because it makes so much sense IMO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/09/the-deep-disgust-for-hillary-clinton-that-drives-so-many-evangelicals-to-support-trump/


I accept Trump not because I like Trump but I dislike the other option more - the establishment and Hillary. Us Bernie supporters were robbed of our democracy and election from right under this during Democratic primaries. That is why I'd rather see the country burn with 4 years of Trump than succumb to the rule of the Establishment taking away wealth, equality, voice, and now even the votes of the Middle class. Rigging the election is fucked up - I'm sure it happens every election, but this election, it was a serious case.


Yup, because that makes so much sense. Vote to potentially ruin the lives of countless millions of people by supporting a clueless egomaniac just because you're salty about losing the primary.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 10 2016 04:16 GMT
#109356
On October 10 2016 13:10 LegalLord wrote:
Well in any case, judging by Trump's effective damage control tonight, I think it's clear that this shitshow of a campaign will go on.

Didn't catch the debate but this is what it looks like from what's being reported.

Did Hillary really flub this that badly with everything stacked in her favor? I guess that's the running theme of this entire campaign isn't it.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 04:20:05
October 10 2016 04:16 GMT
#109357
On October 10 2016 12:46 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:44 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:43 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:41 CobaltBlu wrote:
The CNN focus group only had 1 person raise their hand for Trump.


the fox one had 2 or 3. 13 for trump

I don't put any stock in any of these polls
I think it's just better to wait and see


Yougov and CNN flash polls are actually pretty well-respected and have been fairly predictive.


well out of curiosity i looked at some random polls online
and most of them were very heavily skewed for trump

so w/e like I said, I shall not put stock in polls.

I mean... look at the poll above us
and this site is pretty intellectual, which is probably in general more skewed for hillary than trump compared to the average american

That's because online polls aren't good predictors at all, since determined people can and will vote multiple times to skew results. r/the_donald, for instance, constantly posts links to any and all online polls and gives instructions on how to refresh your IP to vote multiple times, or runs bots to do that. For instance on this site, the last debate poll it was an overwhelming Clinton victory by most respected pollsters (and here as well before the brigades showed up, was like 80-20ish Clinton vs Trump for a good few hours, before a mass of votes came in to swap it over to like 60-40 Trump).

For the first 30 minutes after this poll went up after the debate, it was a tie between Clinton wins, Clinton supporter, and "Tie". I assume we're getting brigaded from somewhere since the poll shot rapidly in the other direction with both "Trump and I supported Hillary, and Trump and I supported Trump" responses.


The CNN flash poll doesn't allow multiple votes and is much more respected, and is actually considered one of the better/best debate polls.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
October 10 2016 04:17 GMT
#109358
On October 10 2016 13:13 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 13:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:10 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 10 2016 13:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Romney strategist

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/785316266017980416


Yea because that's what he did

When you run out of ideas you spin lies

politics 101

Trump wasn't really talking about jailing her, just appointing someone to bring her to trial. It was all a joke, it will be fine. Also he is going to change libel and slander laws to stop the mean press. And then they might be in jail too, just joking, its fine.

People have been saying this shit since he started running and he has never changed his language about it. No one believes that he is joking or understands the rule of law.


Don't worry it will be fine. you worry too much

Yes, nothing will happen, don't worry, he's only calling for his supporters to assassinate her if he loses or jail her if he wins. He has to protect their precious feelings


Thank god his supporters aren't the ones stupid enough to think that's what he's asking them to do.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 04:17 GMT
#109359
Compelling argument.

I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 10 2016 04:17 GMT
#109360
I think Martha Raddatz did ok as a moderator. Didn't super like Anderson Cooper here, but overall I think the moderation was more effective than it was for the previous two debates. That there was bias was noticeable, but both candidates were given a chance to say their piece and got a few hardballs, so it worked.
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