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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 03:07:13
October 10 2016 03:06 GMT
#109221
538 post-debate livestream is going up if anyone's interested.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/second-presidential-debate-election-2016/?ex_cid=promo_banner
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5872 Posts
October 10 2016 03:07 GMT
#109222
On October 10 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:02 KwarK wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 Nevuk wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 KwarK wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You think Farage's debate coaching made a difference in this one?

Farage has never been in a serious debate. He's not a politician in the UK. He's like Gary Johnson.

Eh, Gary Johnson was a former governor.

True. Whereas Farage has never won a seat in the Houses of Parliament.


What exactly has he even done? I was under the impression he did a lot to get Brexit to pass

Yes, he campaigned for decades against his own job that Kwark thinks is less meaningful than the home parliament.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 10 2016 03:07 GMT
#109223
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


also this lovely screengrab

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
RuiBarbO
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States1340 Posts
October 10 2016 03:07 GMT
#109224
On October 10 2016 12:03 tyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie and I think I support Hillary more. I think she had better answers when it came to policy and just straight up substance when it comes to ruling the country, but I really disliked her constant fixation on Russia on several topics. I think she brought it up like 3 or 4 times throughout the debate.

Trump was just doing Trump things.

So she kinda did well and then did awful at the same time, which makes it a tie for me.


I'm not sure I see how those equate. The way you put it makes it sound a little like you're holding them to wildly different standards ("Trump things," and all that that entails, are equivalent to bringing up Russia a lot?).
Can someone please explain/how water falls with no rain?
Chris1
Profile Joined July 2016
44 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-10 03:07:54
October 10 2016 03:07 GMT
#109225
It was a very close debate nonetheless.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 10 2016 03:08 GMT
#109226
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 10 2016 03:08 GMT
#109227
On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate.


Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 10 2016 03:09 GMT
#109228
On October 10 2016 12:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/bridgetbhc/status/785313455146491904

Please, PLEASE let them go all in on this angle
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 10 2016 03:11 GMT
#109229
On October 10 2016 12:09 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/bridgetbhc/status/785313455146491904

Please, PLEASE let them go all in on this angle


The beginning of the cannibalization of the party?
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Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
October 10 2016 03:11 GMT
#109230
I would say the debate was close but it was a lose for trump in that all it did was placate his base. News flash trump is losing badly, he needs to be moving outside his base to try and win. This seemed like a primary debate to me.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11412 Posts
October 10 2016 03:11 GMT
#109231
I put it as a tie. I don't think either of them are moving the dial with who is and is not supporting the candidates. I think the telling part might be what Trump decides to do post-debate. Random rants as follow up, would be a bad idea, imo.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 10 2016 03:12 GMT
#109232
On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate.


Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch.


No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity.
LiquidDota Staff
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 10 2016 03:12 GMT
#109233
On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate.


Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch.


exactly. The faith in the FBI is at an all time low, that plus Bill and the AG speaking before fbi recommendations just makes it look that much worse. It really is a shame, that the average american won't get anywhere near that level of cooperation. Trump nailed it with that line of attack.
Question.?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 10 2016 03:12 GMT
#109234
On October 10 2016 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate.


Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch.


No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity.


okay we will see how this debate affects the polls.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
October 10 2016 03:13 GMT
#109235
Trump didn't implode like in the first debate but it still was just rambling. Probably a tie because there's no expectations for Trump but not enough to change anything about his terrible momentum.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45266 Posts
October 10 2016 03:13 GMT
#109236
As awful as Mike Pence's ideas are, I feel soooo bad for him, having to defend Trump 24/7 and then Trump just casually throws Pence under the bus and says he's wrong.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
tyr
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France1686 Posts
October 10 2016 03:14 GMT
#109237
On October 10 2016 12:07 RuiBarbO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:03 tyr wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie and I think I support Hillary more. I think she had better answers when it came to policy and just straight up substance when it comes to ruling the country, but I really disliked her constant fixation on Russia on several topics. I think she brought it up like 3 or 4 times throughout the debate.

Trump was just doing Trump things.

So she kinda did well and then did awful at the same time, which makes it a tie for me.


I'm not sure I see how those equate. The way you put it makes it sound a little like you're holding them to wildly different standards ("Trump things," and all that that entails, are equivalent to bringing up Russia a lot?).


You're right, I probably am, as someone who's really just watching as a spectator and who's sorta used to watching Trump ramble on. I guess I got a bit more stirred up by Hillary constantly bringing up Russia as the enemy (I'm originally from the Baltic States, so I'm more sensible to this), which I find extremely scary.
If I do take into account the "Trump things", I guess I should give Hillary the advantage, but really not by much, so I'll maintain the tie.
"I'm always reminded of how manly Jaedong is every time I see him." -Bisu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 10 2016 03:14 GMT
#109238
On October 10 2016 12:12 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:12 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate.


Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch.


No, his rabid fans will love it. Undecideds are moderate warm milk and oatmeal types. They don't want insanity.


okay we will see how this debate affects the polls.

It won't. Trump is already losing and no one is going to change their mind based on this. People are kidding themselves if they think this is going to "change the game".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 10 2016 03:14 GMT
#109239
On October 10 2016 12:13 Nyxisto wrote:
Trump didn't implode like in the first debate but it still was just rambling. Probably a tie because there's no expectations for Trump but not enough to change anything about his terrible momentum.


But is it a matter of him not imploding, or that he's already imploding so this debate was largely more of the same?

Though it probably helps the debate questions where he would implode were asked at the beginning of the debate rather than the end like last time.
Logo
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 10 2016 03:15 GMT
#109240
On October 10 2016 12:12 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2016 12:08 travis wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:05 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:03 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:02 Plansix wrote:
On October 10 2016 12:01 Logo wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:59 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2016 11:57 Sent. wrote:
People who voted "Trump and I supported Hillary": why do you think Hillary lost?


I voted tie, but too many Trump zingers found their mark. I only listened to the audio, but she still sounded Rubio-esque at times.

Just saying "he's lying" and directing people to hillaryclinton.com unfortunately doesn't do enough.


If you only listened to the audio you missed Trump being a huge creeper in where/how he stood all night.

Him creeping behind Clinton is going to play very poorly. Just like Bush v Clinton and Bush looking at his watch.



Nothing says "I'm not a predator" like this body language:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

That and "I'm going to put her in jail." I think people are underestimating how much play that comment is going to get. That is unheard of during a president debate.


Many undecided voters are going to love it. You're out of touch.


exactly. The faith in the FBI is at an all time low, that plus Bill and the AG speaking before fbi recommendations just makes it look that much worse. It really is a shame, that the average american won't get anywhere near that level of cooperation. Trump nailed it with that line of attack.

have you seen poll data on faith in the fbi?
It's too bad people chose to politicize it so heavily, but such is life.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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