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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45233 Posts
October 05 2016 03:57 GMT
#106821
On October 05 2016 12:51 Titan107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 12:13 Nevuk wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:10 Plansix wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:58 LegalLord wrote:
Pence came out of this one less stupid. I don't think this debate changed my opinion of either candidate or either VP, at all. They basically were what I thought they were.


Thanks Coach Green ;P

Yeah, was basically a preview for 2020 if Hillary isn't politically palatable, 2024 if she is. Democrats are heading toward Kaine not Warren or Brown, Unless progressives drag them back that is.


I don't see how you can possibly say that the Democratic party is heading toward the likes of Kaine, an older white male that is most definitely a politician out of prior generations that also isn't very well-known or particularly liked.

And its not like the hard line, accept no compromise progressives are a large enough voting block at this point.

In 4-8 years they probably will be. Sanders did come pretty close to winning the democratic nomination with them.


Sanders did win the nomination... lol


Oh did he? How'd he do against Trump in their first presidential debate? And why did he pick Tim Kaine as his runningmate?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45233 Posts
October 05 2016 03:58 GMT
#106822
On October 05 2016 12:54 Titan107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 12:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Hillary currently a 3 to 1 favorite against Trump... we'll see if either candidate gets a post-VP debate bump: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

I haven't watched the VP debate yet, but judging by the past 10+ pages here, I should prepare to kill myself.


I don't know how trustworthy that can be when Trump is winning OH / IA by a good margin. Also, in current balloting in Florida, he is ahead as well.


I look forward to seeing your Breitbart and Fox polls being taken more seriously than 538.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12379 Posts
October 05 2016 04:10 GMT
#106823
On October 05 2016 12:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 12:51 Titan107 wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:13 Nevuk wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:10 Plansix wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:58 LegalLord wrote:
Pence came out of this one less stupid. I don't think this debate changed my opinion of either candidate or either VP, at all. They basically were what I thought they were.


Thanks Coach Green ;P

Yeah, was basically a preview for 2020 if Hillary isn't politically palatable, 2024 if she is. Democrats are heading toward Kaine not Warren or Brown, Unless progressives drag them back that is.


I don't see how you can possibly say that the Democratic party is heading toward the likes of Kaine, an older white male that is most definitely a politician out of prior generations that also isn't very well-known or particularly liked.

And its not like the hard line, accept no compromise progressives are a large enough voting block at this point.

In 4-8 years they probably will be. Sanders did come pretty close to winning the democratic nomination with them.


Sanders did win the nomination... lol


Oh did he? How'd he do against Trump in their first presidential debate? And why did he pick Tim Kaine as his runningmate?


He's obviously saying that it was rigged, refering to Lulu Fries'dat report (among others). Attack him on that if you want to attack him, this post is rather useless.
No will to live, no wish to die
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 05 2016 04:10 GMT
#106824
Kaine made Hillary look like a decent debater by comparison. I can't help but feel that Hillary chose him precisely because he is just that unremarkable, to make herself look better.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 05 2016 04:26 GMT
#106825
On October 05 2016 13:10 LegalLord wrote:
Kaine made Hillary look like a decent debater by comparison. I can't help but feel that Hillary chose him precisely because he is just that unremarkable, to make herself look better.

http://www.theonion.com/infographic/who-tim-kaine-53348
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CatharsisUT
Profile Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 05:50:41
October 05 2016 05:40 GMT
#106826
On October 05 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:31 Slaughter wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:30 xDaunt wrote:
My god, Kaine. Trump did not say he's in favor of punishing women for abortion.


What? Yes he did said he would consider it.

He was asked whether he'd be in favor of criminal penalties for abortion if abortion were made illegal, and he said yes, because he's a law and order candidate. In other words, he answered a stupid hypothetical.

Wanting to make them illegal is the same as punishing women for having abortions...


This is the strangest part of that whole controversy to me. I had no idea that apparently the common Republican position is that they want to make abortion illegal but NOT punish people who break that law. That makes no sense at all.

Edit: Sadist, I think you're saying the exact same thing, which is not that you think women SHOULD be punished for having abortions, but that were a abortion outlawed enacting such laws without punishing offenders would be nonsensical.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 05 2016 06:29 GMT
#106827
On October 05 2016 13:26 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 13:10 LegalLord wrote:
Kaine made Hillary look like a decent debater by comparison. I can't help but feel that Hillary chose him precisely because he is just that unremarkable, to make herself look better.

http://www.theonion.com/infographic/who-tim-kaine-53348

Very funny read.

On October 05 2016 14:40 CatharsisUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:31 Slaughter wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:30 xDaunt wrote:
My god, Kaine. Trump did not say he's in favor of punishing women for abortion.


What? Yes he did said he would consider it.

He was asked whether he'd be in favor of criminal penalties for abortion if abortion were made illegal, and he said yes, because he's a law and order candidate. In other words, he answered a stupid hypothetical.

Wanting to make them illegal is the same as punishing women for having abortions...


This is the strangest part of that whole controversy to me. I had no idea that apparently the common Republican position is that they want to make abortion illegal but NOT punish people who break that law. That makes no sense at all.

Edit: Sadist, I think you're saying the exact same thing, which is not that you think women SHOULD be punished for having abortions, but that were a abortion outlawed enacting such laws without punishing offenders would be nonsensical.

That's where things get murky for the big-time pro-life advocates. If it were theoretically made illegal, why is breaking the law permissible in this special case? And if you believe it ends a human life, that abortionists are essentially murderers, isn't the woman seeking an abortion at least an accessory to murder? But no, in their words, there's one murderer and two victims. It's all essentially moot on the punishment side since even before Roe vs Wade, there was nothing even close to jail/fines/community service or even a slap on the wrist.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Netscape9
Profile Joined March 2015
United States139 Posts
October 05 2016 06:37 GMT
#106828
On October 05 2016 13:26 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 13:10 LegalLord wrote:
Kaine made Hillary look like a decent debater by comparison. I can't help but feel that Hillary chose him precisely because he is just that unremarkable, to make herself look better.

http://www.theonion.com/infographic/who-tim-kaine-53348

The Onion is owned by Univision, a major donor to Hillary. And would you look at that, the article 'satirical' paints him in a fairly positive light...
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 05 2016 06:38 GMT
#106829
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 05 2016 06:42 GMT
#106830
Wait, honest question...is Titan107 a RealityIsKing alt?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
October 05 2016 06:52 GMT
#106831
From what I have been reading on the Dem/Lib side, Kaine's mission wasn't to go in there and show he was the greatest. His mission was to get Pence on record denying what Trump said, or on stage saying the opposite. Kaine apparently didn't come off as the most likeable, but his mission looks accomplished. Pence disavowed Trump's statements, the wedge is drawn.
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 05 2016 06:53 GMT
#106832
On October 05 2016 15:38 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/783481522615644160

what does that mean??
© Current year.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
October 05 2016 07:05 GMT
#106833
On October 05 2016 15:42 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Wait, honest question...is Titan107 a RealityIsKing alt?

Doubt it

Wasn't RealityIsKing someone who always wrote like this?

Or am I mistaking him for someone else?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 07:40:48
October 05 2016 07:35 GMT
#106834
I dont think Kaine was all that bad. Yes he came off kinda rough but he got what he need to do done. Pence basically had to craft some made up trump that does not exist Since he had no ground to stand on since the real trump is so bad. Yes right after the debate i would say that Pence seemed to be doing ok since everyone was saying how calm he was but you can already see how the media is already picking up how how he was just bullshitting for almost everything. Does not matter how collected you are if you spew more lies then a used car salesman.

Edit
And whatever plus Pence might of wrought from this is just going to be drug right back down with trump having access to his twitter during the debate. His handlers really need to get on him agien
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
October 05 2016 07:48 GMT
#106835
Miss Piggy says oink!
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7953 Posts
October 05 2016 07:54 GMT
#106836
On October 05 2016 12:51 Titan107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 12:13 Nevuk wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:10 Plansix wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 05 2016 12:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:58 LegalLord wrote:
Pence came out of this one less stupid. I don't think this debate changed my opinion of either candidate or either VP, at all. They basically were what I thought they were.


Thanks Coach Green ;P

Yeah, was basically a preview for 2020 if Hillary isn't politically palatable, 2024 if she is. Democrats are heading toward Kaine not Warren or Brown, Unless progressives drag them back that is.


I don't see how you can possibly say that the Democratic party is heading toward the likes of Kaine, an older white male that is most definitely a politician out of prior generations that also isn't very well-known or particularly liked.

And its not like the hard line, accept no compromise progressives are a large enough voting block at this point.

In 4-8 years they probably will be. Sanders did come pretty close to winning the democratic nomination with them.


Sanders did win the nomination... lol

He lost by two and a half million votes, but who cares about facts in this election?
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9155 Posts
October 05 2016 10:23 GMT
#106837
Trump Used Foundation Funds for 2016 Run, Filings Suggest

[...]

But RCP’s review of IRS filings by the Trump foundation turned up a fresh conflict: a 2013 donation of $10,000 to The Family Leader, a 501(c)(4) established to “develop, advocate and support legislative agenda at the state level.” Unlike a 501(c)(3), or a nonprofit organization, a 501(c)(4) can effect policy and engage in limited political activity, and thus is subject to greater restrictions on contributions from charities.

If the Trump foundation sent its money to The Family Leader and not its affiliated nonprofit, it did not properly note it in the filing and might have failed to earmark the money for charitable purposes, a violation of IRS rules. If the money was sent to the Family Leader Foundation, it was not recorded as such.

“There’s a mistake somewhere,” said Fei. “It might be a really substantive mistake, or it could just be a reporting error or sloppiness. But improper reporting is still a violation of tax law. That’s something the IRS would look at.”

The donation also appears to have been geared toward boosting Trump’s political prospects, raising the specter of another possible violation for self-dealing.

In the same year that Trump’s foundation made that $10,000 contribution, The Family Leader featured Trump as a marquee speaker for the first time at its influential leadership summit in Iowa. The announcement raised eyebrows: Craig Robinson, editor of the Iowa Republican blog, wrote that Trump was “an odd fit for a social conservative confab,” while the Family Leader was roundly criticized by other Iowa conservatives for including Trump in the program.

[...]

But Trump’s greatest early political exposure might have come from Citizens United, a conservative political group whose president, David Bossie, met with Trump in 2011 about a potential presidential bid and remained a close ally. More recently, Bossie took leave from his group last month to join Trump’s campaign as deputy campaign manager.

In April 2014, when Citizens United hosted a “cattle call” of would-be Republican candidates for president in New Hampshire, Trump was there. In January 2015, at Citizens United’s Freedom Summit in Iowa, Trump was again on the program. And at the group’s South Carolina summit in May 2015, Trump also took to the stage.

The high-profile events were held in three key battleground states. And it was no fluke: Bossie had insisted Trump be included in one of the group’s events “because he was a good friend to Citizens United,” said a source with knowledge of the discussions.

It might have helped that, in 2014, Trump’s foundation donated $100,000 to the Citizens United Foundation, by far its single largest donation to any group that year. RCP reached Bossie by phone Monday and offered him an opportunity to respond; Bossie said he would call back but did not and subsequently could not be reached for comment.

[...]


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/10/04/trump_used_foundation_funds_for_2016_run_filings_suggest.html

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 05 2016 11:05 GMT
#106838
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7310 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 11:10:21
October 05 2016 11:09 GMT
#106839
On October 05 2016 14:40 CatharsisUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:31 Slaughter wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:30 xDaunt wrote:
My god, Kaine. Trump did not say he's in favor of punishing women for abortion.


What? Yes he did said he would consider it.

He was asked whether he'd be in favor of criminal penalties for abortion if abortion were made illegal, and he said yes, because he's a law and order candidate. In other words, he answered a stupid hypothetical.

Wanting to make them illegal is the same as punishing women for having abortions...


This is the strangest part of that whole controversy to me. I had no idea that apparently the common Republican position is that they want to make abortion illegal but NOT punish people who break that law. That makes no sense at all.

Edit: Sadist, I think you're saying the exact same thing, which is not that you think women SHOULD be punished for having abortions, but that were a abortion outlawed enacting such laws without punishing offenders would be nonsensical.



This is exactly what I am saying. The pro lifers know it doesnt help their cause so they were pissed when he brought it up.

Im just irritated that people made it out like it was some huge derp in logic by Trump when it wasnt.

Reproductive rights and the woman's role regarding the fetus is murky as hell anyway (fetal alcohol syndrome, smoking while pregnant, etc) but I think the whole punishment if its a crime thing should be very cut and dry.
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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
October 05 2016 11:22 GMT
#106840
On October 05 2016 14:40 CatharsisUT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 11:34 Plansix wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:32 xDaunt wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:31 Slaughter wrote:
On October 05 2016 11:30 xDaunt wrote:
My god, Kaine. Trump did not say he's in favor of punishing women for abortion.


What? Yes he did said he would consider it.

He was asked whether he'd be in favor of criminal penalties for abortion if abortion were made illegal, and he said yes, because he's a law and order candidate. In other words, he answered a stupid hypothetical.

Wanting to make them illegal is the same as punishing women for having abortions...


This is the strangest part of that whole controversy to me. I had no idea that apparently the common Republican position is that they want to make abortion illegal but NOT punish people who break that law. That makes no sense at all.

Edit: Sadist, I think you're saying the exact same thing, which is not that you think women SHOULD be punished for having abortions, but that were a abortion outlawed enacting such laws without punishing offenders would be nonsensical.


They can make it illegal to provide an abortion, but not to have one. Punishing the doctors if a woman was to have one, not the woman.
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