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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
October 05 2016 11:51 GMT
#106841
This notion that the breaking of a law ought to automatically lead to punishment ignores the reality of the courts and how prosecutors do their job.

As for the debate, Tim Kaine is meh, but I think it's clear that Pence already has his sights on post election reputation lol
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 13:11:38
October 05 2016 13:00 GMT
#106842
I mean, as an analogue it's perfectly possible to conceptualize a law that makes dealing cocaine illegal but doesn't punish people found with small quantities of cocaine in their home. From a moral perspective or whatever it might not quite square with pro-life positions, but there's no logistical problem in not punishing women that receive abortions.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 05 2016 13:08 GMT
#106843
Whoever gets Ohio wins the election. This is a known fact.
maru lover forever
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 05 2016 13:23 GMT
#106844
Who's bright idea was this:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
October 05 2016 13:39 GMT
#106845
My guess is Howard Dean
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
October 05 2016 13:41 GMT
#106846
On October 05 2016 22:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Who's bright idea was this:

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/783647533612539904


Are you sure it wasn't centenarians?
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10700 Posts
October 05 2016 13:43 GMT
#106847
Why is Al Gore hated that much? Just because he tried to become the Prophet of climate Change? Or is there anything more?
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7227 Posts
October 05 2016 13:59 GMT
#106848
On October 05 2016 22:00 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I mean, as an analogue it's perfectly possible to conceptualize a law that makes dealing cocaine illegal but doesn't punish people found with small quantities of cocaine in their home. From a moral perspective or whatever it might not quite square with pro-life positions, but there's no logistical problem in not punishing women that receive abortions.


We can make laws and/or amendments for anything.

I guess my original point was that people used the punishing women angle to make it seem like he was a dumbass and he was jumping to an illogical conclusion. In all actuality not punishing the women would be illogical and there are a million and one other examples of trump being a dumbass that people could call him out on.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 14:03:07
October 05 2016 14:02 GMT
#106849
On October 05 2016 22:43 Velr wrote:
Why is Al Gore hated that much? Just because he tried to become the Prophet of climate Change? Or is there anything more?

This is an interesting read on the topic.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 05 2016 14:07 GMT
#106850
"Donald Trump cannot start a Twitter war with Miss Universe without shooting himself in the foot. He does not have a plan. He said 'I have a secret plan,' and then he said, 'I know more than all the generals about ISIL,' and finally he said, 'I am going to fire all the generals.' He does not have a plan. He trash talks the military, John McCain is no hero, the generals need to be fired, I know more than them. NATO is obsolete.

And third, he loves dictators. He has a personal Mount Rushmore of Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and Saddam Hussein. He believes — Donald Trump believes that the world will be safer if more nations have nuclear weapons. He said Saudi Arabia should get them, Japan should get them, and Korea should get them."

- T. Kaine, 10/4/16
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 05 2016 14:09 GMT
#106851
On October 05 2016 22:59 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:00 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I mean, as an analogue it's perfectly possible to conceptualize a law that makes dealing cocaine illegal but doesn't punish people found with small quantities of cocaine in their home. From a moral perspective or whatever it might not quite square with pro-life positions, but there's no logistical problem in not punishing women that receive abortions.


We can make laws and/or amendments for anything.

I guess my original point was that people used the punishing women angle to make it seem like he was a dumbass and he was jumping to an illogical conclusion. In all actuality not punishing the women would be illogical and there are a million and one other examples of trump being a dumbass that people could call him out on.


I don't think "illegal = punishment" works with abortion, for reasons of humanity. Trump was a dumbass for not knowing that's the common position. It's what happens when a TV candidate blathers about governance.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
October 05 2016 14:09 GMT
#106852
I think Millenials, and especially the ones that could be tempted to vote for Clinton, tend to care about the global warming, I don't see how bringing Gore in is a bad idea.

As for his age, he is 7 years younger than Bernie, who was extremely popular with white, educated young people.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
October 05 2016 14:10 GMT
#106853
On October 05 2016 22:43 Velr wrote:
Why is Al Gore hated that much? Just because he tried to become the Prophet of climate Change? Or is there anything more?


From my considerable liberal point of view, he has exact the same problems as Hillary: I think he means well and is competent, but has absolutely no charisma and has doesn't suffer fools.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 05 2016 14:11 GMT
#106854
On October 05 2016 22:59 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:00 TheTenthDoc wrote:
I mean, as an analogue it's perfectly possible to conceptualize a law that makes dealing cocaine illegal but doesn't punish people found with small quantities of cocaine in their home. From a moral perspective or whatever it might not quite square with pro-life positions, but there's no logistical problem in not punishing women that receive abortions.


We can make laws and/or amendments for anything.

I guess my original point was that people used the punishing women angle to make it seem like he was a dumbass and he was jumping to an illogical conclusion. In all actuality not punishing the women would be illogical and there are a million and one other examples of trump being a dumbass that people could call him out on.


Because anyone following women's rights issues knows that conservative states are already punishing women now even with Roe v Wade in play. Prison terms for miscarriages, forced procedures, removal of doctors who support them, etc... The removal of Roe v Wade would turn the current attacks on women into a full on jihad.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
October 05 2016 14:11 GMT
#106855
On October 05 2016 23:02 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:43 Velr wrote:
Why is Al Gore hated that much? Just because he tried to become the Prophet of climate Change? Or is there anything more?

This is an interesting read on the topic.

I'm afraid we will read the same thing about Hillary in 15 years if she loses. People will be wondering how the hell people were stupid enough to believe all that media bashing she is subjected to.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 14:18:33
October 05 2016 14:17 GMT
#106856
"[Clinton is running an] insult-driven campaign....It really is remarkable".

- M. Pence, sometime between 9 and 10:30, 10/4/16




Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
October 05 2016 14:19 GMT
#106857
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
October 05 2016 14:21 GMT
#106858
Nice to see that Trump did his part in helping out Kaine as much as possible.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7888 Posts
October 05 2016 14:22 GMT
#106859
On October 05 2016 23:17 Doodsmack wrote:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/783478918087004160

Damn, I've been saying that about Trump himself for weeks.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 05 2016 14:26 GMT
#106860
The ultimate irony of the universe is when Donald Trump insults someone for their looks.
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