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On October 06 2016 00:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Hillary is getting 200 to her rallies, Trump is filling stadiums with 20,000+.
I'd be more worried about turnout than the polls if i were a democrat.
Hillary is rallying in places that are productive, Trump in places that make a show. Going to Wyoming and getting a full stadium of badly educated ultra conservative white males cheering at his schoolboy taunts ain't going to win him the elections.
But keep believing. How is the last Breitbart internet poll?
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Wow. If the media has this introspection, then why not actually apply it? While 2008 seemed generally fairer to the candidates (and Sarah Palin was legitimately dumb, and the media attacking her for her retarded quotes was because those quotes were, in fact, retarded: no need to rip them out of context), all of 2004, 2012 and seemingly 2016 have really stupid "scandals" being hyped. Swiftboat for Perry, the 47% for Romney, and now whatever they can latch onto for Hillary (emails are somewhat justified, but the whole foundation thing is completely ridiculous).
More importantly, they keep holding the candidates to different standards. Bush was cast as an affable, friendly fellow (paraphrased fro the Vanity Fair article) and that was all he had to be for the media (no knowledge on policies required), Gore did have to be a wonk (because he was) and also be a friendly fellow to have a beer with. Kerry got blindsided by the completely fabricated swiftboat lie, and that tarnished his reputation for the rest of the election. He was also uncharismatic (again).
While you could make a case that Obama got smeared by the media, it was mostly fringe media (and Fox) who ran with the birther shit. Everybody rammed Romney's aloofness down our throats. However, I thought Obama a far better candidate in general, so I will let our resident Republicans comment about media bias in the 2012 elections.
And now we have what is legitimately a redo of 2000 in terms of media coverage. Clinton is qualified, but a rather bland uninteresting person, and a career politician to boot. Trump is a glitzy real estate tycoon with his own reality TV show. The problem is that only one of these two has any qualifications at all to be president, and any time they are both held to the same standard, it really shows. However, most of the time, the media is digging through whatever dirty laundry they can find to push the story about identity politics, rather than attempting to eliminate this double standard in their reporting.
But I guess it's what people here hammer on repeatedly: policy talk doesn't sell papers (clicks), whereas "GUCCIFER REVEALS TRUTH ABOUT CLINTON FOUNDATION", or equally "WAPO SAYS TRUMP GUILTY OF SELF-DEALING" draws clicks, and thus money. It would really be great if people stopped treating the election as Brangelina's breakup, and saw it as the serious matter it is (as well as paid some attention to their local politics too, but that's another issue).
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On October 06 2016 00:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/04/nigel_farage_will_attend_second_debate_as_trumps_guest_rise_above_the_catfight.htmlNigel Farage Will Attend Second Debate As Trump's Guest Show nested quote +The leader behind 'Brexit' speaks with Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto about his advice for Donald Trump ahead of the second presidential debate. Farage will attend the debate as a guest of Mr. Trump.
"The advice I have for Donald Trump, I don't have to give it to him face-to-face," the UKIP leader said. "I will share it with you right now on this show, it is very simple. The Clinton team analyzed that Trump is a proud man -- proud of his achievements, proud of himself, proud of his family. And if you attack him on his record, try to tear to bits his business empire and his past, he will try to defend himself."
He continued: "My advice to Mr. Trump is dead simple: Do not be accused of financial impropriety by the Clintons. Do not be told you are a misogynist by a woman whose Foundation takes money from Saudi Arabia. Rise above, don't get involved in some sort of terrible catfight. Rise above it and tell the American people why you are the candidate for change."
Great. So the guy who fled the UK in disgrace after the Brexit campaign, is an honored guest of the other populist demagogue on the other side of the pond.
I guess birds of a feather flock together.
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On October 06 2016 00:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/04/nigel_farage_will_attend_second_debate_as_trumps_guest_rise_above_the_catfight.htmlNigel Farage Will Attend Second Debate As Trump's Guest The leader behind 'Brexit' speaks with Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto about his advice for Donald Trump ahead of the second presidential debate. Farage will attend the debate as a guest of Mr. Trump.
"The advice I have for Donald Trump, I don't have to give it to him face-to-face," the UKIP leader said. "I will share it with you right now on this show, it is very simple. The Clinton team analyzed that Trump is a proud man -- proud of his achievements, proud of himself, proud of his family. And if you attack him on his record, try to tear to bits his business empire and his past, he will try to defend himself."
He continued: "My advice to Mr. Trump is dead simple: Do not be accused of financial impropriety by the Clintons. Do not be told you are a misogynist by a woman whose Foundation takes money from Saudi Arabia. Rise above, don't get involved in some sort of terrible catfight. Rise above it and tell the American people why you are the candidate for change." Great. So the guy who fled the UK in disgrace after the Brexit campaign, is an honored guest of the other populist demagogue on the other side of the pond. I guess birds of a feather flock together.
Fled in disgrace... the goal of his career, that he campaigned for for decades...
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On October 06 2016 00:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Hillary is getting 200 to her rallies, Trump is filling stadiums with 20,000+.
I'd be more worried about turnout than the polls if i were a democrat.
You need an asterisk there-Trump routinely lies about the size of his rallies (often times in hilariously impossible ways). I dunno if he's actually cracked 20K in reality.
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On October 06 2016 01:16 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:53 Acrofales wrote:On October 06 2016 00:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/04/nigel_farage_will_attend_second_debate_as_trumps_guest_rise_above_the_catfight.htmlNigel Farage Will Attend Second Debate As Trump's Guest The leader behind 'Brexit' speaks with Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto about his advice for Donald Trump ahead of the second presidential debate. Farage will attend the debate as a guest of Mr. Trump.
"The advice I have for Donald Trump, I don't have to give it to him face-to-face," the UKIP leader said. "I will share it with you right now on this show, it is very simple. The Clinton team analyzed that Trump is a proud man -- proud of his achievements, proud of himself, proud of his family. And if you attack him on his record, try to tear to bits his business empire and his past, he will try to defend himself."
He continued: "My advice to Mr. Trump is dead simple: Do not be accused of financial impropriety by the Clintons. Do not be told you are a misogynist by a woman whose Foundation takes money from Saudi Arabia. Rise above, don't get involved in some sort of terrible catfight. Rise above it and tell the American people why you are the candidate for change." Great. So the guy who fled the UK in disgrace after the Brexit campaign, is an honored guest of the other populist demagogue on the other side of the pond. I guess birds of a feather flock together. Fled in disgrace... the goal of his career, that he campaigned for for decades...
And having attained this crowning achievement, instead of seeing it come to pass, he resigned from leading his party and ran away from the UK.
E: I'm sure KwarK has more to say on the matter. I am not particularly well versed on the details, but insofar as I know the fallout from the Brexit campaign was nobody at all being happy with the results, ironically least of all the pro-Brexit campaigners.
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The lack of updates on Guccifer's latest leak leads me to believe that it was by and large a dud.
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On October 06 2016 01:21 LegalLord wrote:
The lack of updates on Guccifer's latest leak leads me to believe that it was by and large a dud.
It is also easy to conclude this to be the case by seeing how excited the_donald is by it. If they believe it, you should not.
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On October 06 2016 00:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Hillary is getting 200 to her rallies, Trump is filling stadiums with 20,000+.
I'd be more worried about turnout than the polls if i were a democrat.
Parroting Donald's claims as to rally size is not a good look.
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On October 06 2016 01:17 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 00:25 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Hillary is getting 200 to her rallies, Trump is filling stadiums with 20,000+.
I'd be more worried about turnout than the polls if i were a democrat. You need an asterisk there-Trump routinely lies about the size of his rallies (often times in hilariously impossible ways). I dunno if he's actually cracked 20K in reality.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/04/five-takeaways-trumps-colo-rally/91515186/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatodaycomwashington-topstories
The myth continues:
A Larimer County Sheriff’s Office deputy said officers were told the campaign handed out upward of 20,000 tickets since the event was announced Wednesday afternoon.
All told, 8,000 people crammed inside the arena, while there were about 10,000 people on the grounds in total, center staff confirmed.
Also:
It was loud in the arena. Like, really loud, even without the chants. The crowd was riled up, "God Bless the USA" was blaring, and many didn't seem to catch what happened next.
“It’s great to be here today in Laramie County and in the beautiful state, which we’re going to win, of Colorado."
Wait, what?
Laramie. As in Wyoming.
Not Larimer.
Close. Like the vote will be Nov. 8.
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On October 06 2016 01:19 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 01:16 oBlade wrote:On October 06 2016 00:53 Acrofales wrote:On October 06 2016 00:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/04/nigel_farage_will_attend_second_debate_as_trumps_guest_rise_above_the_catfight.htmlNigel Farage Will Attend Second Debate As Trump's Guest The leader behind 'Brexit' speaks with Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto about his advice for Donald Trump ahead of the second presidential debate. Farage will attend the debate as a guest of Mr. Trump.
"The advice I have for Donald Trump, I don't have to give it to him face-to-face," the UKIP leader said. "I will share it with you right now on this show, it is very simple. The Clinton team analyzed that Trump is a proud man -- proud of his achievements, proud of himself, proud of his family. And if you attack him on his record, try to tear to bits his business empire and his past, he will try to defend himself."
He continued: "My advice to Mr. Trump is dead simple: Do not be accused of financial impropriety by the Clintons. Do not be told you are a misogynist by a woman whose Foundation takes money from Saudi Arabia. Rise above, don't get involved in some sort of terrible catfight. Rise above it and tell the American people why you are the candidate for change." Great. So the guy who fled the UK in disgrace after the Brexit campaign, is an honored guest of the other populist demagogue on the other side of the pond. I guess birds of a feather flock together. Fled in disgrace... the goal of his career, that he campaigned for for decades... And having attained this crowning achievement, instead of seeing it come to pass, he resigned from leading his party and ran away from the UK. E: I'm sure KwarK has more to say on the matter. I am not particularly well versed on the details, but insofar as I know the fallout from the Brexit campaign was nobody at all being happy with the results, ironically least of all the pro-Brexit campaigners.
It's a clusterfuck. Cameron gambled and lost with his political career and instantly bailed rather than oversee his folly. May got a free ticket to the top job, despite her horrible record on human rights etc because in a Parliamentary system the leader is elected by the house, not by the people. The Labour party instantly imploded for no fucking reason which means that when a general election is called May might actually win, despite having half the likability of Cameron who has half the likability of the dead pig he was so intimately familiar with. The SNP are pretty much just doing their own independent Scotland thing now and mean to start some shit when Brexit rolls around. The pound is in freefall and there is still no actual plan for Brexit.
Part of the problem was that within the coalition of Brexiteers there was no consensus about what they wanted. Some just wanted to vote against the establishment but assumed Brexit would fail, some wanted renegotiation, some wanted access to the common market with exemption from the political process, some wanted less people from South Asia in the UK and were confused about whether South Asia was in the EU, some wanted a return to Empire etc etc. However the political class, who actually have to interpret the will of the people after the vote, were much more pro EU which causes a problem. There was no specific policy question, it wasn't "should Britain demand control over migration to the UK and if that cannot be negotiated, leave the common market?" or anything like that. Nobody knows what the fuck to do. The people don't have a unified position on it and the political class have a divide with the people anyway.
Farage's party, UKIP, is funded by the EU Parliament which is the only body in which it has any political power. The EU Parliamentary elections are done using a regional PR system which allows minority parties, like UKIP, to win seats. The Westminster elections within the UK always fuck UKIP over (hence why Farage doesn't have a seat, he can't win one) so without the EU UKIP will become more of a pressure group than a political party. It's not clear what will happen to them either.
Farage's side won the vote but he's being blamed for the outcome by people from every side of the spectrum. Whatever happens will displease 95% of the people, 45% because it wasn't the kind of Brexit they wanted and 50% because it was any kind of Brexit, and he's the face of that.
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On October 06 2016 01:19 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 01:16 oBlade wrote:On October 06 2016 00:53 Acrofales wrote:On October 06 2016 00:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/04/nigel_farage_will_attend_second_debate_as_trumps_guest_rise_above_the_catfight.htmlNigel Farage Will Attend Second Debate As Trump's Guest The leader behind 'Brexit' speaks with Fox News Channel's Neil Cavuto about his advice for Donald Trump ahead of the second presidential debate. Farage will attend the debate as a guest of Mr. Trump.
"The advice I have for Donald Trump, I don't have to give it to him face-to-face," the UKIP leader said. "I will share it with you right now on this show, it is very simple. The Clinton team analyzed that Trump is a proud man -- proud of his achievements, proud of himself, proud of his family. And if you attack him on his record, try to tear to bits his business empire and his past, he will try to defend himself."
He continued: "My advice to Mr. Trump is dead simple: Do not be accused of financial impropriety by the Clintons. Do not be told you are a misogynist by a woman whose Foundation takes money from Saudi Arabia. Rise above, don't get involved in some sort of terrible catfight. Rise above it and tell the American people why you are the candidate for change." Great. So the guy who fled the UK in disgrace after the Brexit campaign, is an honored guest of the other populist demagogue on the other side of the pond. I guess birds of a feather flock together. Fled in disgrace... the goal of his career, that he campaigned for for decades... And having attained this crowning achievement, instead of seeing it come to pass, he resigned from leading his party and ran away from the UK. E: I'm sure KwarK has more to say on the matter. I am not particularly well versed on the details, but insofar as I know the fallout from the Brexit campaign was nobody at all being happy with the results, ironically least of all the pro-Brexit campaigners.
But are there vocal right-wingers on TL that supported UKIP/Farage's MEP campaign? The takeaway in today's era of hyperpartisanship, very visible in this thread, is not to take at face value critics with bare agendas in isoluation. I'd like to at least hear the other side before coming to a conclusion. Two big players abruptly quit and it looks bad. If they did it in an altruistic desire for political unity and to foster new alliances free of their influence, I suspect they'd still be called cowards leaving messes at the doorsteps of others.
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Hillary still a 3 to 1 favorite against Trump... seems like the needle didn't move much in either direction yet, with the VP debate: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/
Also, the VP debate was such a waste of time. My take on it:
Moderator: Here's a relatively direct and clear-cut question.
Mike Pence: I'm going to laugh and then quietly dodge that ques-
Tim Kaine: And I'm going to aggressively interrupt you and continue to focus on things that aren't even remotely close to the moderator's question.
Moderator: Can we just answer the-
Pence and Kaine: NO!
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On October 06 2016 01:21 LegalLord wrote:
The lack of updates on Guccifer's latest leak leads me to believe that it was by and large a dud.
Reminds me of that Ortel fellow's claims that someone posted about month ago: http://charlesortel.com/
He promised to release exhibits of Clinton Foundation's misdealings starting with September 7 and posted absolutely nothing
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On October 06 2016 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Hillary still a 3 to 1 favorite against Trump... seems like the needle didn't move much in either direction yet, with the VP debate: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ Also, the VP debate was such a waste of time. My take on it: Moderator: Here's a relatively direct and clear-cut question. Mike Pence: I'm going to laugh and then quietly dodge that ques- Tim Kaine: And I'm going to aggressively interrupt you and continue to focus on things that aren't even remotely close to the moderator's question. Moderator: Can we just answer the- Pence and Kaine: NO!
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/783495522954903553?lang=fr
Seems you were not the only one with that impression.
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On October 06 2016 01:54 oBlade wrote:We are living in a post-factual election, but it's not because of the right. People would believe that Trump is angry about his running mate winning, Kaine asks Pence how he knows Trump has a business, and people can't verify that Trump has had rallies of over 20k. http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/politics/donald-trump-rally-mobile-alabama/
Which scientific inaccuracies are a part of the democratic platform?
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On October 06 2016 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:Which scientific inaccuracies are a part of the democratic platform?
They believe climate change wasn't made up by the Chinese to make American manufacturing less competitive.
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On October 06 2016 01:57 Mohdoo wrote:Which scientific inaccuracies are a part of the democratic platform?
They deny that Trump has the world's greatest memory and that he is the least racist person which are scientific facts, just like the fact that Kim Jong Il never pooped in his life
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