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oBlade
United States5672 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:32 Plansix wrote: Good, glad you agree Trump lies about his rally numbers and they are not a direct metric for success in this election. Glad we had this discussion. I didn't say anything covering either point to begin with, stop having infantile arguments with yourself. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:39 zlefin wrote: yeah; but otoh i'm not an actual candidate who should've prepped for the debate; so I think that compensates for not having the impromptu difficulty. and I haven't had much luck getting questions from people anyways; something about me being not a candidate makes people even less interested in my answers  A lot of the fun of the debate is how the candidates paint their opponents. You don't get that without an opponent. Based on your posting history I'd probably go with the "self-righteous technocrat" line of attack if I were your opponent, FWIW. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:45 LegalLord wrote: A lot of the fun of the debate is how the candidates paint their opponents. You don't get that without an opponent. Based on your posting history I'd probably go with the "self-righteous technocrat" line of attack if I were your opponent, FWIW. sounds like a plausible line of attack. but debates are only partly supposed to be about fun; they're also supposed to be about enlightening people, discussing policy, and learning. and noone offered to be opponent either, i'm just trying to work with what I got. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21800 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:47 zlefin wrote: sounds like a plausible line of attack. but debates are only partly supposed to be about fun; they're also supposed to be about enlightening people, discussing policy, and learning. and noone offered to be opponent either, i'm just trying to work with what I got. I sure hope your not trying to become a politician in the US because your not going to find enlightening, policy or learning. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:49 Gorsameth wrote: I sure hope your not trying to become a politician in the US because your not going to find enlightening, policy or learning. I am in the US; but I know it's not a good place ot get those things; until the system is reformed to be better, which is vanishingliny unlikely. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:47 zlefin wrote: sounds like a plausible line of attack. but debates are only partly supposed to be about fun; they're also supposed to be about enlightening people, discussing policy, and learning. and noone offered to be opponent either, i'm just trying to work with what I got. I read a candidate's platform or a summary of it if I want to know where they stand on the issues. A debate is more of an attempt to see how they and their ideas stand up to scrutiny - which pretty much mandates an opponent. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:51 LegalLord wrote: I read a candidate's platform or a summary of it if I want to know where they stand on the issues. A debate is more of an attempt to see how they and their ideas stand up to scrutiny - which pretty much mandates an opponent. silly platforms that don't stand up to scrutiny. the whole point is to build sound ideas, they should've already been thoroughly vetted. Or if they're just general aims/goals they don't have to be I suppose. I've thought of making up a platform for fun, but i'm not sure it's fun enough, and noone else has interest in such. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 06 2016 02:15 Acrofales wrote: While there's something to be said for Cameron stepping down, as he was against Brexit, but "felt that the people had a right to vote on it" (or rather, he gambled with it so he could win the election, and then fell flat on his face when it didn't go as well as the Scotland referendum went for him). After campaigning against Brexit, he is clearly not the man to lead the government through the Brexit. I don't know the first thing about May (the news painted her has a bit of an opportunist in the grab for the PM spot). Farage campaigned most of his political career for the Brexit. People voted for the Brexit. Rather than saying "right, now lets do this properly. Here´s how UKIP would tackle this Brexit: <policy>", he said "errrmmm, I want to spend more time with my family. cya, wouldn't wanna be ya". As all other populists in Europe, he had a list of "things wrong with the country" and absolutely no clue how to fix them. Yeah it's a strong argument. But did you grasp my point? If there isn't a single UKIP/Farage voter in the forum piping up, how will you ever know if it's strong argument or just the only one currently in town? It's your opinion that Farage is populist and populists have a knack for labeling problems with no plan to fix them, and it jives with Farage leaving. That's common left-right rhetoric from the left's viewpoint. This thread is prodigiously bad at contextualizing the opposing arguments for the opposition (good at vilifying and sometimes good at satirizing). I only wish for a good-faith supporter that agrees with the damning report or disagrees and why. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 06 2016 03:01 LegalLord wrote: We could frame this as a Congressional hearing instead: one side asks ridiculous loaded questions and is filled with faux outrage, the other side lobs stupid softball questions and asks unrelated stuff. Your job is to give non-answers to the questions you don't want to answer. hmm, i'm sure one could make an entertaining game out of that. but I watch enough cspan that I don't want to go through more hearings | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:17 Ayaz2810 wrote: I don't understand how there are any people who are still undecided in terms of the presidency. The candidates could not be any more different in every single regard. Also, the Trump apologists baffle me. He hides his taxes because he knows he fucked up and it will piss people off (meaning he knows it was wrong), then he gets caught anyway, then tries to act like it proves he's a money genius..... and there are people in this country who are gonna still vote for him. Im no Clinton lover, but holy shit, am I crazy for saying that even in a lesser of two evils kind of race, Hillary is at the very least, immensey more qualified in pretty much every way? I just don't understand what the Trumpers see him bringing to the table as a president except what they see as brutal honesty (but is usually him just flying off the handle inappropriately). This whole election is a baffling circus. people have always been incredibly stupid; it's nothing new there. it's just more apparent this time. as for people being undecided; it's usually because they've paid very little attention up until recently, and don't read news regularly. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7904 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:17 Ayaz2810 wrote: I don't understand how there are any people who are still undecided in terms of the presidency. The candidates could not be any more different in every single regard. Also, the Trump apologists baffle me. He hides his taxes because he knows he fucked up and it will piss people off (meaning he knows it was wrong), then he gets caught anyway, then tries to act like it proves he's a money genius..... and there are people in this country who are gonna still vote for him. Im no Clinton lover, but holy shit, am I crazy for saying that even in a lesser of two evils kind of race, Hillary is at the very least, immensey more qualified in pretty much every way? I just don't understand what the Trumpers see him bringing to the table as a president except what they see as brutal honesty (but is usually him just flying off the handle inappropriately). This whole election is a baffling circus. It wouldn't be the first time in democracy's history that people display bad judgment and stupidity to a staggering level. Let's put it that way : there is nothing right about Trump as a candidate. There is not a single reason to vote for this guy. He is dishonest, unstable, has the emotional maturity of a 10 years old, is bombastic and megalomaniac to an embarrassing level that borders psychological disorder, has 0 moral compass, no knowledge of anything except how to screw people over, no political experience whatsoever, surrounds himself with scumbags and idiots, and has a platform that makes 0 sense. I sincerely can not name one thing that would be in the "positive" column for Trump as a president. I get it that a hardcore conservative wouldn't vote for Clinton, because she has a liberal platform, or because they buy the idiotic scandal media circus, but voting for Trump is downright stupid. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Seems like the whole VP debate strategy they had was to get this ad | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7904 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:37 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240 Seems like the whole VP debate strategy they had was to get this ad That hurts hahaha | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:17 Ayaz2810 wrote: I don't understand how there are any people who are still undecided in terms of the presidency. The candidates could not be any more different in every single regard. Also, the Trump apologists baffle me. He hides his taxes because he knows he fucked up and it will piss people off (meaning he knows it was wrong), then he gets caught anyway, then tries to act like it proves he's a money genius..... and there are people in this country who are gonna still vote for him. Im no Clinton lover, but holy shit, am I crazy for saying that even in a lesser of two evils kind of race, Hillary is at the very least, immensey more qualified in pretty much every way? I just don't understand what the Trumpers see him bringing to the table as a president except what they see as brutal honesty (but is usually him just flying off the handle inappropriately). This whole election is a baffling circus. Trump dodged taxes using legal loopholes. Hillary helped a child molester she was convinced was guilty walk free. Morally, I'd take Trump. No doubt she's smarter, though, but Trump spews unprocessed meaningless drivel; Hillary spews well calculated, well acted lies. The whole campaign process is so incredibly shady, too. So much money from so many questionable sources. Personally, I wouldn't be able to vote for either of them without feeling at least a little sick. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:37 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240 Seems like the whole VP debate strategy they had was to get this ad That has been the assessment of all the coverage I have heard. That Kaine’s sole purpose in the debate was to keep the focus on Trump and not let Trump have a night off. And it worked because Trump was retweeting insults during the debate, like a chump. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:45 bardtown wrote: Trump dodged taxes using legal loopholes. Hillary helped a child molester she was convinced was guilty walk free. Morally, I'd take Trump. No doubt she's smarter, though, but Trump spews unprocessed meaningless drivel; Hillary spews well calculated, well acted lies. The whole campaign process is so incredibly shady, too. So much money from so many questionable sources. Personally, I wouldn't be able to vote for either of them without feeling at least a little sick. As a defence attorney it's your job to defend child molesters in court, because they as everybody else are entitled to a legal defence. That's actually her moral duty. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:45 bardtown wrote: Trump dodged taxes using legal loopholes. Hillary helped a child molester she was convinced was guilty walk free. Morally, I'd take Trump. No doubt she's smarter, though, but Trump spews unprocessed meaningless drivel; Hillary spews well calculated, well acted lies. The whole campaign process is so incredibly shady, too. So much money from so many questionable sources. Personally, I wouldn't be able to vote for either of them without feeling at least a little sick. you don't seem aware of how the legal process works; do you realize that? lawyers are supposed to defend their clients. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7904 Posts
On October 06 2016 04:45 bardtown wrote: Trump dodged taxes using legal loopholes. Hillary helped a child molester she was convinced was guilty walk free. Morally, I'd take Trump. No doubt she's smarter, though, but Trump spews unprocessed meaningless drivel; Hillary spews well calculated, well acted lies. The whole campaign process is so incredibly shady, too. So much money from so many questionable sources. Personally, I wouldn't be able to vote for either of them without feeling at least a little sick. Are you serious? She was doing her fucking job. Do you know what being a lawyer is? So you would feel sick voting for Clinton because she was good at being a lawyer, and because you have a gut feeling about her being shady. Have you even read about Trump's scandals? The Trump University? The way he behaved with shareholders? The way he was not paying contractors? The way he treats people in general? Jesus Christ, the humanity... | ||
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