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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:27 KOFgokuon wrote: tbh, even of clinton wins, if congress doesn't swap then nothing is gonna get done regardless, and we're gonna get stuck with the same shithole we have now in 2 years when the senate swings heavily back republican Nah, you have it wrong. A lot will get done if Clinton wins because, unlike Obama, she's not an ideologue. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:30 xDaunt wrote: Nah, you have it wrong. A lot will get done if Clinton wins because, unlike Obama, she's not an ideologue. I'm not so sure if it is only the ideologue part. The GOP has consistently criticized Obama for not being willing to meet with them and listen to them demands, instead claiming he just lectures them when they meet. Clinton would definitely be willing to listen to their concerns for as many hours as it takes. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:35 Nevuk wrote: I'm not so sure if it is only the ideologue part. The GOP has consistently criticized Obama for not being willing to meet with them and listen to them demands, instead claiming he just lectures them when they meet. Clinton would definitely be willing to listen to their concerns for as many hours as it takes. Yeah, I was including the behavior that you describe as part of Obama being an ideologue. Collaboration has not been his strong suit. | ||
KwarK
United States44401 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:30 xDaunt wrote: Nah, you have it wrong. A lot will get done if Clinton wins because, unlike Obama, she's not an ideologue. Ah yes. Because the GOP refused to work with Obama because he's an ideologue and not just on principle, decided on day 1, before he did anything. They would have been happy to collaborate with him as long as that collaboration included passing no legislation and stepping down after his first term. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Clearly it's Obama's fault, though. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
NEWARK, N.J. — Andrew Cuomo and Chris Christie personally discussed how to handle the fallout from the George Washington Bridge lane closures, even agreeing to release a report covering up the incident, according to the admitted mastermind of the political revenge scheme. Cuomo’s administration — referred to in testimony as “Albany” — told the top official at the bistate Port Authority to “lay off” Christie following the incident, former Port official David Wildstein testified here in U.S. District Court. Wildstein said he was told of the conversations between the governors of New York and New Jersey by David Samson, the former chairman of the agency’s board, and Bill Baroni, its former deputy executive director and now a defendant in the case. Port Authority Executive Director Patrick Foye, who was appointed by Cuomo and remains at the agency, had been investigating the September 2013 lane closures. Cuomo, a Democrat, and Christie, a Republican, agreed that the agency would release a report washing over the incident, saying the lane closures were the result of a traffic study commissioned by officials on the New Jersey side of the agency and that there had been a “failure of communications,” Wildstein testified. “My understanding was Governor Christie and Governor Cuomo has discussed this,” Wildstein told defense attorney Michael Critchley. “That if there was a report that was issued, that if New Jersey side accepted responsibility, that Mr. Foye would sign off on that.” That was supposed to “put an end to this,” Wildstein said. The report, which eventually became the basis for testimony Baroni delivered to a legislative committee in Trenton, was never released. Wildstein said he believed the order was lifted after Christie won his reelection in November, and that he soon after received a call from a reporter asking about his own involvement in the lane closings. Wildstein is testifying in the trial of Baroni and Bridget Anne Kelly, Christie’s former deputy chief of staff. They were indicted last May on charges of conspiracy, fraud and civil rights violations. They are accused of closing local access lanes to the bridge — the world’s busiest — to punish the Democratic mayor of Fort Lee for not endorsing Christie in his re-election bid. The bridge is located in Fort Lee, and the lane closures caused days of gridlock in the Bergen County town and surrounding communities. Source | ||
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oBlade
United States6646 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:49 WolfintheSheep wrote: This is a Congress that tried to pass a bad Bill, which Obama vetoed, which Congress voted to overturn...and then went back to fix the broken Bill. Clearly it's Obama's fault, though. "Congress" isn't just Republicans, the Saudi bill passed 97 to 1 in the Senate and 348 to 77 in the House. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:54 oBlade wrote: "Congress" isn't just Republicans, the Saudi bill passed 97 to 1 in the Senate and 348 to 77 in the House. Deomocrats didn't call out Obama for "not telling them" about the problems he had with the bill, even though he publicly said what his problems with it were. That was your boy McConnell. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46626 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:35 Nevuk wrote: I'm not so sure if it is only the ideologue part. The GOP has consistently criticized Obama for not being willing to meet with them and listen to them demands, instead claiming he just lectures them when they meet. Clinton would definitely be willing to listen to their concerns for as many hours as it takes. Is that a joke? Obama tried bipartisanship over and over and over again and it didn't matter because McConnell and other Republican leaders openly declared that they wouldn't even entertain the conversations- they smugly decided that they would actively sabotage Obama no matter what. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:54 oBlade wrote: "Congress" isn't just Republicans, the Saudi bill passed 97 to 1 in the Senate and 348 to 77 in the House. It was still Mitch Obstruction McConnell who blamed Obama for a bill Obama vetoed. There seems to be a credibility issue there. And anyone who claims Obama could have worked with the Freedom Caucus is just nutty. | ||
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oBlade
United States6646 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:56 Slaughter wrote: Deomocrats didn't call out Obama for "not telling them" about the problems he had with the bill, even though he publicly said what his problems with it were. That was your boy McConnell. McConnell is not my boy, buster. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:56 Slaughter wrote: Deomocrats didn't call out Obama for "not telling them" about the problems he had with the bill, even though he publicly said what his problems with it were. That was your boy McConnell. To be fair, there's plenty on the conservative side of this thread who are sick of McConnell's bullshit too. I distinctly remember Danglars calling him out on this earlier in the thread. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is that a joke? Obama tried bipartisanship over and over and over again and it didn't matter because McConnell and other Republican leaders openly declared that they wouldn't even entertain the conversations- they smugly decided that they would actively sabotage Obama no matter what. No, it is more complex than that. The GOP basically wants to be coddled and cradled while they cry into the president's arms about how awful their colleagues are being to them. Obama finds that ridiculous, but it is the only way he was going to get them to cooperate with him. Clinton is perfectly willing to listen to them bitch and moan for five hours about whatever. Basically, it is about cultivating personal relationships to pass legislation. Obama did start out with some disadvantages here, but he didn't really do a very good job on this front. McConnell's objection even here is pretty much that Obama didn't tell him in person about the flaws with the bill and instead communicated it through the press. Why he didn't read the press release, who the fuck knows. If my state ever replaces him I'll be very glad, but also insanely surprised. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
When the position of Republican lunatics in congress is ZERO its all but impossible to work with them. No new taxes, we signed a stupid pledge, no abortions, no regulations, no gun laws, no researching guns, no no no no no no nothing. Ok well that's a very reasonable position to start from on everything, lets negotiate from there! There's no one to blame on gridlock and lunacy but the right. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 05 2016 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Is that a joke? Obama tried bipartisanship over and over and over again and it didn't matter because McConnell and other Republican leaders openly declared that they wouldn't even entertain the conversations- they smugly decided that they would actively sabotage Obama no matter what. it's not a joke; for reasons I am not clear on, many conservatives have a different view and a different memory of what happened. and they will strongly insist that they remember it correctly. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On October 05 2016 03:04 TheYango wrote: To be fair, there's plenty on the conservative side of this thread who are sick of McConnell's bullshit too. I distinctly remember Danglars calling him out on this earlier in the thread. Lol I know, but he is just the mouth piece and a fair bit of his colleagues feel the same. Its that bloc who I blame for a good chunk of the shitshow that is congress. There are plenty of fine republican members in congress but they are caught between a rock and a hard place with the hardliners. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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