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On October 10 2013 06:07 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 05:58 Gorsameth wrote:On October 10 2013 05:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Yes, people keep making that claim. I still don't buy it. Reps have at least as much to lose from a government shutdown / debt crisis. If they keep going to that well they can say goodbye to business sector support. If Republicans really want to be politically suicidal either negotiating or not negotiating here and now won't change that. The Republican party do not want this. They have said many times before the shutdown that they did not want it. They told there own party to please not do this because it is political suicide. They know this. So who is the cause? The Tea Party are forcing this through with whatever pressure they have. And yes i will say they care nothing for business or the general good of the country This is an interesting perspective on what fuels the Tea Party's ideological purity. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/06/tea_party_radicalism_is_misunderstood_meet_the_newest_right/
That article is fucking stupid. Let me save everyone the time to read it by summarizing the main thesis: the Tea Party is the second (or I guess you could say third) coming of white southern racists. The author very clearly chose that as his starting and end points, but barely bothers to connect the dots (and he obvious can't).
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On October 10 2013 08:02 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 06:07 Sub40APM wrote:On October 10 2013 05:58 Gorsameth wrote:On October 10 2013 05:37 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Yes, people keep making that claim. I still don't buy it. Reps have at least as much to lose from a government shutdown / debt crisis. If they keep going to that well they can say goodbye to business sector support. If Republicans really want to be politically suicidal either negotiating or not negotiating here and now won't change that. The Republican party do not want this. They have said many times before the shutdown that they did not want it. They told there own party to please not do this because it is political suicide. They know this. So who is the cause? The Tea Party are forcing this through with whatever pressure they have. And yes i will say they care nothing for business or the general good of the country This is an interesting perspective on what fuels the Tea Party's ideological purity. http://www.salon.com/2013/10/06/tea_party_radicalism_is_misunderstood_meet_the_newest_right/ That article is fucking stupid. Let me save everyone the time to read it by summarizing the main thesis: the Tea Party is the second (or I guess you could say third) coming of white southern racists. The author very clearly chose that as his starting and end points, but barely bothers to connect the dots (and he obvious can't).
Yeah i looked it over and even tho I dislike the Tea Party very much that piece has nothing useful to say other then baseless assumption and implied racism.
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the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing.
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On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing.
Let me save everyone the trouble and explain what the foundation of the Tea Party is: a deep-seeded feeling of betrayal and disenfranchisement by the federal government. These are people who work, pay taxes, and watch the federal government piss their money away. It has long been felt by Tea Party members that the government would do less harm if it was just shut down.
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On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing.
Short term its getting them what they want but long term? There placing huge bets on the public forgetting this by election time. Now its not saying its a bad bet, I would hope it is but the American people can be a little forgetful.
But if there bet fails this will backfire hard on the Republican party and hand congress to the democrats and then what? You shut the government down for a few weeks while losing any influence in the government for 2 or more years?
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On October 10 2013 08:15 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing. Let me save everyone the trouble and explain what the foundation of the Tea Party is: a deep-seeded feeling of betrayal and disenfranchisement by the federal government. These are people who work, pay taxes, and watch the federal government piss their money away. It has long been felt by Tea Party members that the government would do less harm if it was just shut down.
So they're confused anarchists?
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On October 10 2013 08:15 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing. Let me save everyone the trouble and explain what the foundation of the Tea Party is: a deep-seeded feeling of betrayal and disenfranchisement by the federal government. These are people who work, pay taxes, and watch the federal government piss their money away. It has long been felt by Tea Party members that the government would do less harm if it was just shut down.
That would describe basic libertarianism all the same. There is a difference between the tea party and libertarianism that your description leaves out.
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On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing.
How can it be what they want? It's somewhat confirmed that republicans passed a bill in the house to backpay all the workers.
So basically the TeaParty republicans are just creating a backlog of work and no saved money really....
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On October 10 2013 08:34 NPF wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing. How can it be what they want? It's somewhat confirmed that republicans passed a bill in the house to backpay all the workers. So basically the TeaParty republicans are just creating a backlog of work and no saved money really....
Its not about the money its about sending a message.
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On October 10 2013 08:37 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 08:34 NPF wrote:On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing. How can it be what they want? It's somewhat confirmed that republicans passed a bill in the house to backpay all the workers. So basically the TeaParty republicans are just creating a backlog of work and no saved money really.... Its not about the money its about sending a message.
the republicain are sending you guy a message : we are working for the 2% of this country and we dont fucking care about your well being or anything else, something who would improve the life of the poor , the midle class and 90 % of the country ,we DONT CARE , people who gain 200,000 each year would pay more tax , we are WORKING for them and make the big money loby lost money ,WILL NEVER PASS either way .
Obama can't trade anything here , can't talk , nothing , all the faults on the republicans for this situation.
how americain elect republicans each year are MIND BLOWING for everyone outside the usa ..... they clearly care about only maybe 10 % of your damn country .... and yet the other 90 % still vote for them, way to fuck yourself up...
they are full into some old school stuft , no abortion for woman , no help for the poor , all help the rich , anti gay for everything and lesbienne and way more.... ....yeah you get the point ?
blame them and stop say obama should talk about it more , republicans want it to just not pass, wake up....
if everything fuck up blame the republicans......they should just let it pass and talk about it later and btw that a LAWS , they are illegal... you should also understand that , they got no right to block it right now .
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The betrayal is that by the leaders of the people that elected them. Will they fight for their interests? No!
It is always, "We're going to cave now on this issue ... but next time we're really gonna take it to them"
"No no, now would be a bad time to take action on this. But we can see 3 months from now, that's when its really gonna hit. That's where we'll knock it out of the ballpark. We have the American people behind us ... blah blah blah"
It didn't get the Gingrich reforms, it didn't cow Tip O'Neill back in the day, and it won't be some magic bullet now.
I hear the Salon drones trumpet: The Tea Party is a bunch of racists! That's why they're sometimes well educated and have paying jobs and still believe the stuff they do! It's pretty humorous. I mean, it's very humorous until you're reminded that people are willing to believe that about their opponents.
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Can't use that one now, Mr. Boehner 
Moving to defuse one of the more controversial cutbacks brought on by the federal government shutdown, the Pentagon announced a plan Wednesday for a private charity, the Fisher House Foundation, to pay death benefits for fallen soldiers.
The Fisher House Foundation provides temporary housing for the families of loved ones undergoing medical treatment at military and Veterans Affairs hospitals.
In a statement, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said his department is “entering into an agreement with the Fisher House Foundation that will allow the federal government to provide the family members of fallen service members with the full set of benefits they have been promised, including a $100,000 death gratuity payment.”
The foundation had said Tuesday that it would provide the benefit to any family members of killed troops who were being denied the money because of the shutdown. The difference now is that the Pentagon has formally agreed to pay back the foundation after the shutdown ends.
Private foundation to pay death benefits for soldiers
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On October 10 2013 08:17 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 08:15 xDaunt wrote:On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing. Let me save everyone the trouble and explain what the foundation of the Tea Party is: a deep-seeded feeling of betrayal and disenfranchisement by the federal government. These are people who work, pay taxes, and watch the federal government piss their money away. It has long been felt by Tea Party members that the government would do less harm if it was just shut down. So they're confused anarchists?
The Tea Party is much more welcoming of Confederate flags than black flags.
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On October 10 2013 08:15 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 08:09 Sermokala wrote:
the government partially shutting down does go with exactly what the tea party people were elected to do. to have a smaller government. And they're succeeding pretty hard right now. Its the same thing with the "sequester" being an excuse for the democrats to cave in on more budget cuts.
All of our politics is based on lieing. Let me save everyone the trouble and explain what the foundation of the Tea Party is: a deep-seeded feeling of betrayal and disenfranchisement by the federal government. These are people who work, pay taxes, and watch the federal government piss their money away. It has long been felt by Tea Party members that the government would do less harm if it was just shut down.
No they aren't. More tea partiers accept government handouts as a percentage than non-tea partiers, mostly because tea partiers tend to be older. They and their family members collect social security and medicare just like everyone else. They just want to get rid of everyone else's entitlements because they are incapable of empathy, except for people just like themselves.
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The Tea Party is more like a new form of the reactionary John Birch Society, only replacing communism with muslim.
Here's an interview with Christopher Parker, who actually has done research on the tea party. Graphs and things:
So it’s not just that we’re seeing results like 76 percent of tea partiers want to see Obama fail. We also ask if people think Obama is destroying the country. We asked this question of all self-identified conservatives. If you look at all conservatives, 35 percent believe that. If you look at tea party conservatives and non-tea party conservatives, only six percent of non-tea party conservatives believe that vs. 71 percent of tea party conservatives.
EK: That’s still not that large. So why do they have such success driving outcomes?
CP: Because they won’t compromise. You’ve got about 52 members of the Republican conference who are affiliated with the tea party in some official way. That’s a bit less than a quarter of all House Republicans. That’s enough in the House. They refuse to compromise because, to them, compromise is capitulation. If you go back to Hofstadter’s work when he’s talking about when the John Birch Society rode high, he talks about how conservatives would see people who disagree as political opponents, but reactionary conservatives saw them as evil. You can’t capitulate to evil.
Just look at the ridiculous over-the-top rhetoric against Obamacare. It's silly, but they see it as evil.
I particularly liked the Daily Show take on the government shutdown.
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Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) told his Republican colleagues that the shutdown has improved the GOP's position in a closed-door lunch on Wednesday, according to the Washington Examiner.
Cruz paid for a poll conducted by Chris Perkins, of Republican polling firm Wilson Perkins Allen. The poll found results similar to those run by national firms this week, which showed Republicans taking the majority of blame for the shutdown. Only 28 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, according to findings from Gallup released Wednesday.
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"It is law, but it's not good law, it's unconstitutional." - "Even though the supreme court deemed it constitutional." - "Ththhte surpreme court deemed in constitutional, but it had to go to the surpreme court to do so."
Thanks DoubleReed, my eyes are still teared up.
Since i'm not familiar with the Daily Show, i guess everybody there is an actor - but it still pretty much resembles the image alot of people have right now.
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Sweet jesus. I don't know if other people posted this, but the Republican brand has taken a massive hit.
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On October 10 2013 10:23 m4inbrain wrote:
"It is law, but it's not good law, it's unconstitutional." - "Even though the supreme court deemed it constitutional." - "Ththhte surpreme court deemed in constitutional, but it had to go to the surpreme court to do so."
Thanks DoubleReed, my eyes are still teared up.
Since i'm not familiar with the Daily Show, i guess everybody there is an actor - but it still pretty much resembles the image alot of people have right now.
Lol, the woman is a real person. She's a common guest on the Hannity Show on Fox News, and is a GOP strategist. But yes, it is a comedy show.
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On October 10 2013 10:30 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 10:23 m4inbrain wrote:
"It is law, but it's not good law, it's unconstitutional." - "Even though the supreme court deemed it constitutional." - "Ththhte surpreme court deemed in constitutional, but it had to go to the surpreme court to do so."
Thanks DoubleReed, my eyes are still teared up.
Since i'm not familiar with the Daily Show, i guess everybody there is an actor - but it still pretty much resembles the image alot of people have right now. Lol, the woman is a real person. She's a common guest on the Hannity Show on Fox News, and is a GOP strategist. But yes, it is a comedy show.
And that's where satire and reality intertwine. What makes the Daily Show and Colbert Report so damn good and funny is that you can't make some of the shit up they are doing. Reality itself is unfortunately that absurd the laughter actually should stick in your throat. And tends to have a liberal bias 
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