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Dan HH
Romania9111 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Gawker shutting down is a plus for human civilization Now if we could only get rid of Buzzfeed, HuffPost, and Salon I notice a distinct lack of Breitbart and Drudge Report on your list, sites with journalistic standards that are at least as shitty but you have no problem regularly quoting | ||
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oBlade
United States5493 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:32 Plansix wrote: Love the new freedom of the press in this modern era. But it is a violation of someone’s right to freedom of speech to ban them from twitter, reddit or shut down comments on news sites. Press is still completely free to try and bring in the money by leaking celebrity sextapes and destroying reputations, they just have to own up to the consequences. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:35 oBlade wrote: Press is still completely free to try and bring in the money by leaking celebrity sextapes and destroying reputations, they just have to own up to the consequences. Once again, that case was dismissed by several courts for not having merit. They kept bringing the case and would still be doing so if the last one had been dismissed. On August 19 2016 03:32 Dan HH wrote: I notice a distinct lack of Breitbart and Drudge Report on your list, sites with journalistic standards that are at least as shitty but you have no problem regularly quoting Freedom of the Press to agree with the rich and in power. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28626 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Gawker shutting down is a plus for human civilization Now if we could only get rid of Buzzfeed, HuffPost, and Salon Oh, I think breitbart and drudgereport are both worse than any of those three- or gawker. National review looks much better though, thanks whoever tipped me of that. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28626 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:32 Plansix wrote: Love the new freedom of the press in this modern era. But it is a violation of someone’s right to freedom of speech to ban them from twitter, reddit or shut down comments on news sites. Are you silly enough to be confused by that? I’m talking about someone telling you to shut up or your are an asshole. Not someone filing lawsuits against you until you go bankruptcy. Do you think its cool if a rich person keeps filing frivolously lawsuits against someone else because they were mean once? 'were mean once' is not a good euphemism for 'posted sex tapes'. | ||
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oBlade
United States5493 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:32 Plansix wrote: Love the new freedom of the press in this modern era. But it is a violation of someone’s right to freedom of speech to ban them from twitter, reddit or shut down comments on news sites. Are you silly enough to be confused by that? I’m talking about someone telling you to shut up or your are an asshole. Not someone filing lawsuits against you until you go bankruptcy. Do you think its cool if a rich person keeps filing frivolously lawsuits against someone else because they were mean once? You have it backwards, Gawker was the rich one. They went into bankruptcy because they lost the case and got completely creamed in the judgment of the "frivolous" lawsuit. Not from running out of money defending themselves. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:01 Simberto wrote: I hope that will make people realize that you can buy justice in the american court system. Not like anyone didn't know about that before. "I can't afford the legal costs of sueing x" "The legal costs will ruin you" were not really unknown statements in the US beforehands. Rich people shouldn't be able to ruin companies by using the legal system just because they want to, and rich companies shouldn't be able to ruin people or smaller competitors by using the legal system just because they want to. And yet they still can, because if you keep putting money into the legal system, the other party has to match or lose the case. It is really silly. Not just the rich, but government agencies and private individuals and groups of individuals. If you want to challenge something new that's blatantly unconstitutional or beyond the limits of laws, it's a very expensive and time consuming proposition. Canada too had a couple high profile cases (free speech) where the individual won their case but the expense of prosecuting it meant the next time they self-censored knowing the price tag. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:32 Dan HH wrote: I notice a distinct lack of Breitbart and Drudge Report on your list, sites with journalistic standards that are at least as shitty but you have no problem regularly quoting I don't regularly quote either of those you are confusing me with someone else And they can get rid of Breitbart too I don't know enough about Drudge to comment on that one | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 19 2016 03:39 Liquid`Drone wrote: 'were mean once' is not a good euphemism for 'posted sex tapes'. And that justifies frivolously lawsuits until bankruptcy? Because he tried in federal court and dismissed the case once it became clear the judge was going to rule against him. And then there were other lawsuits being against gawker by the same attorney. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/business/dealbook/gawker-founder-suspects-a-common-financer-behind-lawsuits.html?_r= Like all funded by Peter Thiel. Why? Because Gawker reported he was gay. Which is fact, the man is gay. But he is angry that Gawker was able to do that and have any power of him. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/business/dealbook/peter-thiel-tech-billionaire-reveals-secret-war-with-gawker.html Edit: Oblade, you need to catch up on that case. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
Again, Peter Thiel is very much a red herring to this whole thing. "They only got sued because they could pay for an attorney" is terrible reasoning. The financial barrier should be lower, the bar for lawsuits moving forward needs to be substantially higher, and the court where cases are held should be much more clearcut instead of being wherever the plaintiff wants. And if you botch your defence like idiots, then there really is no excuse when you don't like the verdict. On August 19 2016 04:06 ticklishmusic wrote: wait, if i'm getting this straight, thiel/hogan avoided double jeopardy by ditching the case before a judgement could be made? Double Jeopardy doesn't apply to most civil cases, IIRC. Your case can be dismissed with prejudice, but that depends on the case and the decision. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The photograph, a still image drawn from video footage captured by a security camera, shows a mass of cylindrical shapes squashed together in a box and wrapped in what appears to be silver foil, their surfaces glistening like sardines in a tin. The shapes are not sardines, however, but human beings. And they are wrapped not in foil but in emergency blankets, handed out to them as they were put into a cramped detention center at the US border, courtesy of the federal agency, Customs and Border Protection (CBP). The image, and several others like it released on Thursday at the order of a federal judge, gives the most damning evidence yet seen of the exceptionally harsh and some say abusive conditions to which immigrants are subjected when detained at the southern US border with Mexico. Previously held under seal in a federal lawsuit in which the CBP is being sued for allegedly degrading and unconstitutional treatment of its charges, the photos offer a window into a world that until now has been rarely seen. The shapes disclose that about 15 immigrant detainees were packed into a single cell at the Border Patrol’s facility in Tucson, Arizona. They are wrapped from head to toe in Mylar aluminium sheets for warmth, and appear to be lying directly on top of the concrete floor with no mattressing or other bedding of any sort. The image – timed and dated as 5.16am on 19 August 2015 – shows detainees so tightly squashed together that there is no room for them to move. Groups working with immigrant detainees at the border have long complained that the inmates are treated inhumanely, kept in bare concrete cells that are freezing in temperature as a form of punishment. The colloquial word for the cells is “hieleras”, or ice boxes. The CBP has consistently denied that it subjects those it has picked up at the border attempting to enter the country illegally inappropriately, and has also denied that it keeps its cells unacceptably cold. But the litigants in the lawsuit say that the newly released images prove that their concerns were justified. Source | ||
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oBlade
United States5493 Posts
On August 19 2016 04:07 WolfintheSheep wrote: Gawker also lost the case because they handled their defence like they handle their reporting. Again, Peter Thiel is very much a red herring to this whole thing. "They only got sued because they could pay for an attorney" is terrible reasoning. The financial barrier should be lower, the bar for lawsuits moving forward needs to be substantially higher, and the court where cases are held should be much more clearcut instead of being wherever the plaintiff wants. And if you botch your defence like idiots, then there really is no excuse when you don't like the verdict. Exactly, Hogan could have gotten the money from GoFundMe for all we care, that has no relationship to the jury's verdict. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28626 Posts
I also don't really care about peter thiel at all, nor about hulk hogan. I just really wish that media would have a higher standard, and to some degree, I care more about 'leftist' (even if just posing as such) media having a high standard. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 19 2016 04:10 oBlade wrote: Exactly, Hogan could have gotten the money from GoFundMe for all we care, that has no relationship to the jury's verdict. Except the rulings by the Florida court judge are being called into question, including if the case should ever had been allowed to go to trial. That case is far from clean on a lot of levels and the final verdict is not likely to survive appeal. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-03-21/sorry-hulk-hogan-the-first-amendment-is-on-gawker-s-side | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 19 2016 04:23 Nevuk wrote: I dunno I have a hard time feeling sympathy for a site who testified under oath that they were willing to post sex tapes of five year old children. Wtf? That happened? | ||
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oBlade
United States5493 Posts
On August 19 2016 04:18 Plansix wrote: Except the rulings by the Florida court judge are being called into question, including if the case should ever had been allowed to go to trial. That case is far from clean on a lot of levels and the final verdict is not likely to survive appeal. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-03-21/sorry-hulk-hogan-the-first-amendment-is-on-gawker-s-side I understand that you think the judge was biased, but Thiel financially backing the case wouldn't have caused that, do you follow? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
There was a gawker witness that was called and they asked when it would be unacceptable to publish a sex tape. He gave a glib response “If they were 5” or something along those lines. Terrible witness. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28626 Posts
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