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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
July 29 2016 02:56 GMT
#91341
On July 29 2016 11:55 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:53 TheYango wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:52 Vin{MBL} wrote:
What's she going to do when Trump presses her on emails/saudi donations/DNC leaks etc? She's gotten an easy ride on some of these topics by avoiding press conferences.

Hope the debate moderators keep the debates on topic, lol.


Moderators are going to be in full on Hillary protection mode. More than Candy Crowley vs. Romney. It's going to be impressive.


Given that you seem to be the only non-Trump conservative in this thread, who are you going to vote for?
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7155 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 02:57:10
July 29 2016 02:57 GMT
#91342
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D
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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
July 29 2016 02:58 GMT
#91343
On July 29 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
This was not a strong speech at all

confirms my belief that she's going to get rolled in the debates and Trump will be president for 4 years

more Jill Stein being savage:


She just isn't good at speechifying, but that really isn't a big part of being president. She's a much better debater. If nothing else, she knows more about any given topic than the person she is debating against. If the debates stick to policy (which I'll concede is an *if*) she'll beat the crap out of him.

Our political system seems to reward people that are good at public communication. Hillary is bad at that, so she spent the last 4 years gathering endorsements from every significant Democrat constituency. If she wins, it will be interesting to see how her leadership style (emphasizing personal relationships) will contrast with a more traditional style like Obama's, which relies on appealing to the public.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 29 2016 02:58 GMT
#91344
On July 29 2016 11:52 Vin{MBL} wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:49 Nevuk wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
This was not a strong speech at all

confirms my belief that she's going to get rolled in the debates and Trump will be president for 4 years

She's had a loot more practice at debates than she has at giving speeches. That's like the one part I think she can probably handle decently. I'm not sure if there's actually any politician alive who has had to have as many debates as her.


What's she going to do when Trump presses her on emails/saudi donations/DNC leaks etc? She's gotten an easy ride on some of these topics by avoiding press conferences.


You could say the same for what happens when in a 1v1 debate Trump tries to dodge a policy question by giving a bullshit answer and gets called out for it by her. They both have really obvious weak spots.

Personally I think they'll both possibly look awful. On emails I'm curious to hear myself, DNC leaks so far it doesn't look like it was at her direct bidding so it's honestly not really going to matter (hiring DWS on the other hand is just... so.... so dumb) , Saudi donations it's not like she controls who donates to her.

I'm pretty sure there's better issues than those three to hit her on besides the emails.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
July 29 2016 02:58 GMT
#91345
On July 29 2016 11:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:49 TheYango wrote:
Her first job out of college was at McKinsey Consulting in 2003 after she got her Masters. The figure I found was that she made $120,000 annual--I don't know how accurate it is, but it's in the same ballpark as most starting McKinsey consultants. You could argue about consulting salaries being pointlessly high, but that's it's own discussion in and of itself.

She started at NBC in 2011 and the $600k salary was reported after she was there for 3 years. I don't know how that reads as "0 experience" to you.

In the industry.

Anyway, this is going poorly for Hillary. If this doesn't give her a noticable bump she's hosed.

Guide to what the chants mean.



Any sources else then a white square on a phone?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 29 2016 02:59 GMT
#91346
On July 29 2016 11:57 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D


That or you don't believe what Hillary and the establishment says. And they are not addressing the issues that you think are important.

Also, these DNC speeches make it seem like women are slaves in the US. I don't know how "bad" it's in the southern US, but here in Canada, men and women are more or less equals in every way.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 03:01:22
July 29 2016 02:59 GMT
#91347
On July 29 2016 11:56 Nyxisto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:55 Introvert wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:53 TheYango wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:52 Vin{MBL} wrote:
What's she going to do when Trump presses her on emails/saudi donations/DNC leaks etc? She's gotten an easy ride on some of these topics by avoiding press conferences.

Hope the debate moderators keep the debates on topic, lol.


Moderators are going to be in full on Hillary protection mode. More than Candy Crowley vs. Romney. It's going to be impressive.


Given that you seem to be the only non-Trump conservative in this thread, who are you going to vote for?


I'm not sure yet. Also, I live in CA so it doesn't matter as much.

I was so excited for the primary to come to CA and not be over, where my vote might actually matter. Then it didn't. rip
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5823 Posts
July 29 2016 03:00 GMT
#91348
On July 29 2016 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:57 Luolis wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D


That or you don't believe what Hillary and the establishment says. And they are not addressing the issues that you think are important.

Also, these DNC speeches make it seem like women are slaves in the US. I don't know how "bad" it's in the southern US, but here in Canada, men and women are more or less equals in every way.

They're painting a very dark picture of America, I'd say.j
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 29 2016 03:00 GMT
#91349
Okay here comes a policy issues...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 29 2016 03:00 GMT
#91350
Actually pretty good speech by Hillary standards. Pretty terribad voice modulation as always but content is solid.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 03:01:36
July 29 2016 03:01 GMT
#91351
On July 29 2016 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:57 Luolis wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D


That or you don't believe what Hillary and the establishment says. And they are not addressing the issues that you think are important.

Also, these DNC speeches make it seem like women are slaves in the US. I don't know how "bad" it's in the southern US, but here in Canada, men and women are more or less equals in every way.


You can believe Trump though. Mexico's gonna pay for it. #BelieveMe
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23591 Posts
July 29 2016 03:01 GMT
#91352
On July 29 2016 11:58 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:49 TheYango wrote:
Her first job out of college was at McKinsey Consulting in 2003 after she got her Masters. The figure I found was that she made $120,000 annual--I don't know how accurate it is, but it's in the same ballpark as most starting McKinsey consultants. You could argue about consulting salaries being pointlessly high, but that's it's own discussion in and of itself.

She started at NBC in 2011 and the $600k salary was reported after she was there for 3 years. I don't know how that reads as "0 experience" to you.

In the industry.

Anyway, this is going poorly for Hillary. If this doesn't give her a noticable bump she's hosed.

Guide to what the chants mean.

https://twitter.com/BKrab1/status/758857331190865921


Any sources else then a white square on a phone?


you have noticed they've been at strange times at least?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 29 2016 03:01 GMT
#91353
On July 29 2016 12:00 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:57 Luolis wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D


That or you don't believe what Hillary and the establishment says. And they are not addressing the issues that you think are important.

Also, these DNC speeches make it seem like women are slaves in the US. I don't know how "bad" it's in the southern US, but here in Canada, men and women are more or less equals in every way.

They're painting a very dark picture of America, I'd say.j


Yes, you could say that.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7155 Posts
July 29 2016 03:01 GMT
#91354
On July 29 2016 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:57 Luolis wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D


That or you don't believe what Hillary and the establishment says. And they are not addressing the issues that you think are important.

And Trump addresses issues then? From what i've seen, he says whatever spit brings to his mouth (often times talking absolute bs) and talks over his previous statements so much that i'm not sure if even he knows what he really wants. To me it just seems like a sort of a dumb protest vote (kinda like Brexit) that might just result in shittier things for Americans. Luckily for me, i don't live in america, so it probably wont be that big of an effect on me.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 29 2016 03:02 GMT
#91355
Wow.... Native Americans mentioned. Guaranteed you Sanders pushed her there. As he was the only Presidential candidate to accept the invite to address their issues. Not even Obama has done that.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 03:03:35
July 29 2016 03:03 GMT
#91356
I like when Hillary promises to use an amendment to get rid of CU. The president has nothing besides the bully pulpit on that one. Does that mean she won't appoint an anti-CU justice?

Edit: "I believe in science." LOL. what a dumb line.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 03:04:22
July 29 2016 03:03 GMT
#91357
On July 29 2016 12:01 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:57 Luolis wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D


That or you don't believe what Hillary and the establishment says. And they are not addressing the issues that you think are important.

And Trump addresses issues then? From what i've seen, he says whatever spit brings to his mouth (often times talking absolute bs) and talks over his previous statements so much that i'm not sure if even he knows what he really wants. To me it just seems like a sort of a dumb protest vote (kinda like Brexit) that might just result in shittier things for Americans. Luckily for me, i don't live in america, so it probably wont be that big of an effect on me.


Immigration and protectionism are the two big ones imo.

I think Brexit is a good choice btw, it'll just be costly short term. Hillary has jumped around on so many issues as well. Also, current gun rights are just fine, and I've made several posts in the gun thread using numbers to show that the people who are trying to change gun laws as not worth the trouble.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 29 2016 03:03 GMT
#91358
On July 29 2016 11:59 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 11:56 Nyxisto wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:55 Introvert wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:53 TheYango wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:52 Vin{MBL} wrote:
What's she going to do when Trump presses her on emails/saudi donations/DNC leaks etc? She's gotten an easy ride on some of these topics by avoiding press conferences.

Hope the debate moderators keep the debates on topic, lol.


Moderators are going to be in full on Hillary protection mode. More than Candy Crowley vs. Romney. It's going to be impressive.


Given that you seem to be the only non-Trump conservative in this thread, who are you going to vote for?


I'm not sure yet. Also, I live in CA so it doesn't matter as much.

I was so excited for the primary to come to CA and not be over, where my vote might actually matter. Then it didn't. rip


Yup
Freeeeeeedom
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-29 03:04:52
July 29 2016 03:04 GMT
#91359
Do women not vote in huge numbers? I just can't see Trump winning with just a good chunk of the white male vote and maaaybe slightly higher minority vote in some demos. Women seem to be so against him it's over before it started if they vote in large numbers. Then add in his large disadvantage with minorities and of course a good chunk of white males and I don't see him winning.
Never Knows Best.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 29 2016 03:04 GMT
#91360
On July 29 2016 12:03 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2016 12:01 Luolis wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:59 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:57 Luolis wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 29 2016 11:54 Luolis wrote:
I still can't, for the life of me, understand why there are people who actually want Trump to be their president. I guess america is just weird or something


Well roughly half of the voters right now want Trump, so there's plenty of people to ask S:

Yeah, i guess we go with "america is just weird" choice then :D


That or you don't believe what Hillary and the establishment says. And they are not addressing the issues that you think are important.

And Trump addresses issues then? From what i've seen, he says whatever spit brings to his mouth (often times talking absolute bs) and talks over his previous statements so much that i'm not sure if even he knows what he really wants. To me it just seems like a sort of a dumb protest vote (kinda like Brexit) that might just result in shittier things for Americans. Luckily for me, i don't live in america, so it probably wont be that big of an effect on me.


Immigration and protectionism are the two big ones imo.

I think Brexit is a good choice btw, it'll just be costly short term. Hillary has jumped around on so many issues as well.

Hillary changes her opinion to track public opinion on most issues.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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