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oBlade
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:08 FiWiFaKi wrote: Yes, that's why everything that Hillary says is empty words to me. Trump on the other hand gets asked about something he hasn't thought about enough, and gives some silly answer, but then sometimes goes back on it because he had time to reflect on it, and makes his new opinion clear. At least that's my perspective on it. His perspective on immigration, trade, social security, gun rights, ISIS, and tax reform has been consistent throughout. Trump also struggles as being a moderate on social policy, while his party is right, so he needs to balance that on stuff like abortion, even though he's pro-choice himself. Shouldn't a politician change to reflect the will of the people though in a lot of cases? Clinton goes with the changing times. Sure it benefits her but as someone serving in office its a duty to serve what the people want. Politicians do need to be more flexible in that way (you can argue she is too flexible I guess). We have too many people in congress right now "set in their ways" and refuse to change even though the public is highly against them on whatever issue it is because they want to pander to some minority base. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
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40,000 people use firearms to commit suicide a year. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:04 Slaughter wrote: Do women not vote in huge numbers? I just can't see Trump winning with just a good chunk of the white male vote and maaaybe slightly higher minority vote in some demos. Women seem to be so against him it's over before it started if they vote in large numbers. Then add in his large disadvantage with minorities and of course a good chunk of white males and I don't see him winning. "Hillary Clinton is a disgrace to women: Clings to the coattails of a serial philanderer, who has cheated on her over and over again, because he has been her ticket to her ambitions. She even publicly diminished and demeaned them along the way. Through the Clinton Foundation, sold favors to governments that condone abuse of women and the notion that women should hide themselves under yards of cloth, veils and robes. Shame on her. No intelligent woman can possibly condone this behavior and voter for her. From a Woman." | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Dumb attack on the gun lobby, she needs some portions of the right to vote for her. And left, I cringe a little every time I hear the word "commonsense". That said, it's an effective way to energize progressives. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:21 GoTuNk! wrote: "Hillary Clinton is a disgrace to women: Clings to the coattails of a serial philanderer, who has cheated on her over and over again, because he has been her ticket to her ambitions. She even publicly diminished and demeaned them along the way. Through the Clinton Foundation, sold favors to governments that condone abuse of women and the notion that women should hide themselves under yards of cloth, veils and robes. Shame on her. No intelligent woman can possibly condone this behavior and voter for her. From a Woman." You can find plenty of worse quotes from women about Trump. Your point? Most women despise Trump even if they don't like Clinton. | ||
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Mohdoo
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On July 29 2016 12:21 FiWiFaKi wrote: 3000-4500 people die from non-drug/crime/gang related firearm deaths every year. 40,000 people use firearms to commit suicide a year. It's 12,000 homicides by gun, 20,000 suicides by gun, 400,000 violent actions by gun, and 50,000-3,000,000 self defense actions by gun. | ||
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m4ini
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On July 29 2016 12:21 Slaughter wrote: Shouldn't a politician change to reflect the will of the people though in a lot of cases? Clinton goes with the changing times. Sure it benefits her but as someone serving in office its a duty to serve what the people want. Politicians do need to be more flexible in that way (you can argue she is too flexible I guess). We have to many people in congress right now "set in their ways" and refuse to change even though the public is highly against them on whatever issue it is. Well.. What's the point in voting a representative then? If i vote someone, i don't care if his position changes. I voted for someone because he saw things as i saw them. Suddenly the guy that i voted for doesn't represent me anymore, because.. reasons. Why vote in the first place, and not just randomly chose a guy that follows what the loudest part of the country is shouting? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:21 GoTuNk! wrote: "Hillary Clinton is a disgrace to women: Clings to the coattails of a serial philanderer, who has cheated on her over and over again, because he has been her ticket to her ambitions. She even publicly diminished and demeaned them along the way. Through the Clinton Foundation, sold favors to governments that condone abuse of women and the notion that women should hide themselves under yards of cloth, veils and robes. Shame on her. No intelligent woman can possibly condone this behavior and voter for her. From a Woman." Trump actually does the philandering himself! | ||
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Cowboy24
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On July 29 2016 11:42 Introvert wrote: Or when they go back to Reagan. They hate him so much, but they'll use him whenever. And Trump has no credible claim on that legacy. The saddest part. That bugs me so much. They despised him, his wife, and everything he ever did, and they still despise him. I know it's tribalism or whatever, but I feel like they should just leave him to us. The people who actually cared about him. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Background checks, and closing of loopholes is widely supported across all political spectrum's. But who gives a shit? Would that make someone vote for her instead of trump? That's all that matters | ||
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United States2958 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:23 Mohdoo wrote: What incentive do Democrats have to go after guns? What a ridiculous issue to hound on. You don't gain votes that way. It's pure pandering to people who would never vote for trump The Democrats no longer need white male voters to reach the White House. And millennials (who are relatively gun rights friendly) tend to not vote and don't matter. On July 29 2016 12:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Background checks, and closing of loopholes is widely supported across all political spectrum's. Depending on how it's done. The current "loophole" was the original compromise. | ||
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Doodsmack
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:21 Slaughter wrote: Shouldn't a politician change to reflect the will of the people though in a lot of cases? Clinton goes with the changing times. Sure it benefits her but as someone serving in office its a duty to serve what the people want. Politicians do need to be more flexible in that way (you can argue she is too flexible I guess). We have to many people in congress right now "set in their ways" and refuse to change even though the public is highly against them on whatever issue it is. I don't think so, because just doing what the public wants is populist politics. Meanwhile, Trump makes decisions that were seen as very questionable at first, and yet, he's got people to talk about the issues he's brought up that weren't even discussed before him. Anyway, it's not all fun, it's not like you'd want to outrage from families here being unhappy that they can't bring their grandparents, or hear complaining from Muslims here at home. But it's things that are seen as long term benefits. What really pissed me off were the people saying, oh look, the stock market went down after Brexit. Or the people that say, hey, we can't stop bringing in immigrants, or economy and things... Stuff like NATO, he's 100% right on it, sure there might be a small cost for a few years while we work it out, but he's getting people to realize that it's once you get passed that hump it gets better. He advocates a flat tax on wealth to eliminate the $19 trillion quickly, because and people can see the benefit, because there will be short term pain for that long term gain. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On July 29 2016 12:23 Slaughter wrote: You can find plenty of worse quotes from women about Trump. Your point? Most women despise Trump even if they don't like Clinton. I was simply giving you the position of why women would vote from Trump instead of Hillary. I honestly have no clue about the real woman voting numbers, but the assumption "woman candidate=woman vote" is simply not true, specially with Hillarys´s behavior. | ||
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