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On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16
Seriously? He backtracked again?
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Because espionage is a big deal?
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On July 29 2016 02:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:03 KwarK wrote:On July 29 2016 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 29 2016 01:42 KwarK wrote:On July 29 2016 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 28 2016 23:48 KwarK wrote:
Bernie knows that it's a two party system. There is no reason to make a third party run in a two party system. Reform FPTP and maybe he'll try. Yeah, everyone knows the two parties have always been Democrat and Republican... Which two parties are seen as the "two parties" never changes. Not once has a "third party" moved into becoming one of the two major parties. Also, It's not like anyone ever ran for president as third party before later becoming president within one of the parties. Clearly nothing has been gained in American history from people running third party. Stop pretending to be stupider than you are. None of that is applicable to this election. The two nominees have never been less liked/trusted in modern polling history, if there's an election it applies to, it's this one. No, it'll be much more likely to be in the fallout from this one as the parties analyze what went wrong in this election. But even then they'll be far, far more likely to reform themselves internally and take ground previously occupied by a third party than implode and be replaced by a third party. This isn't a debate we're having, this is just me having to explain to you how first past the post works. It is extremely difficult for one of the two dominant parties to cease to be dominant and takes active effort on their part. It just doesn't work the way you want it to. We're not arguing from equal positions here, this is me speaking from a position of knowledge and you speaking from one of ignorance and I am trying to fix your ignorance. And you really ought to be smart enough to understand that and listen. I know you really liked Bernie and I know you really don't like either of the two candidates. That sucks for you. But that does not change the intrinsic barriers created by first past the post or the colossal amount of momentum that the establishment parties have. Reality isn't treating you very nicely right now but that doesn't mean that reality is any less real. You need to stop committing to this insane alternate reality in which there is any scenario that results in a win for you. The system failed you and that's that. You're not explaining anything to me silly. There's more to running third party than winning a single election. But I know you know that and are just being difficult.
If you're really a progressive, shouldn't there be nothing more important than getting a liberal in the white house who will appoint liberal justices, no matter who it is? Are you willing to throw away potentially decades of liberal control of the Supremes because you don't like the canidate?
Sanders people will only have themselves to blame when we start seeing things like Roe v Wade overturned in a Trump presidency. I just don't see the appeal in cutting off ones nose to spite your face.
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On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again?
I mean read it.
"I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press"
Am I seriously wrong to think that's sarcasm?
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On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Because espionage is a big deal?
I thought there was no national security information in the missing emails.
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On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again?
He won't stop. He will say anything and then walk it back if it gets a negative response. Trump doesn't believe in anything beyond the betterment of Trump, so he doesn't need to hold any firm beliefs on anything.
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On July 29 2016 02:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? I mean read it. "I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press"
Am I seriously wrong to think that's sarcasm?
There's no way it was originally sarcastic lol this is Trump we're talking about. He's dead serious and then realizes too late that he said something dumb and then backtracks.
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On July 29 2016 02:11 oBlade wrote:I thought there was no national security information in the missing emails.
There are no national security information your email, so I guess the Russian's can hack that too, right? And everyone else.
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On July 29 2016 02:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:03 KwarK wrote:On July 29 2016 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 29 2016 01:42 KwarK wrote:On July 29 2016 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 28 2016 23:48 KwarK wrote:
Bernie knows that it's a two party system. There is no reason to make a third party run in a two party system. Reform FPTP and maybe he'll try. Yeah, everyone knows the two parties have always been Democrat and Republican... Which two parties are seen as the "two parties" never changes. Not once has a "third party" moved into becoming one of the two major parties. Also, It's not like anyone ever ran for president as third party before later becoming president within one of the parties. Clearly nothing has been gained in American history from people running third party. Stop pretending to be stupider than you are. None of that is applicable to this election. The two nominees have never been less liked/trusted in modern polling history, if there's an election it applies to, it's this one. No, it'll be much more likely to be in the fallout from this one as the parties analyze what went wrong in this election. But even then they'll be far, far more likely to reform themselves internally and take ground previously occupied by a third party than implode and be replaced by a third party. This isn't a debate we're having, this is just me having to explain to you how first past the post works. It is extremely difficult for one of the two dominant parties to cease to be dominant and takes active effort on their part. It just doesn't work the way you want it to. We're not arguing from equal positions here, this is me speaking from a position of knowledge and you speaking from one of ignorance and I am trying to fix your ignorance. And you really ought to be smart enough to understand that and listen. I know you really liked Bernie and I know you really don't like either of the two candidates. That sucks for you. But that does not change the intrinsic barriers created by first past the post or the colossal amount of momentum that the establishment parties have. Reality isn't treating you very nicely right now but that doesn't mean that reality is any less real. You need to stop committing to this insane alternate reality in which there is any scenario that results in a win for you. The system failed you and that's that. You're not explaining anything to me silly. There's more to running third party than winning a single election. But I know you know that and are just being difficult.
Firstly, you made a case for a third party winning and replacing one of the two major parties. Not me. So that's why I responded explaining how incredibly unlikely that outcome is.
As for there being other advantages to running third party. Running against the establishment to show them that they have underestimated the popular support for an issue is great. Bernie did that and he forced Hillary left. But forcing Hillary left doesn't mean shit if he then runs against her. Bernie forced Hillary to become a candidate that he could stand behind, why would he then want to not stand behind her?
In a representative democracy you sell your votes for influence over the people you elect. You can sell them cheaply like apolitical lifetime Dems or you can sell them expensively like Bernie has but if you're so principled that you refuse under any circumstances to sell them then you're doing nothing but disenfranchising yourself.
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On July 29 2016 02:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? I mean read it. "I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press"
Am I seriously wrong to think that's sarcasm?
I've lost count of the number of time Trump defenders have had to interpret his quotes to make them less horrible. If it is so obvious, why did it take 24 hours to say? My bet is he waited to see if the reaction was negative. When it was, he backtracked like he always does.
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On July 29 2016 02:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? He won't stop. He will say anything and then walk it back if it gets a negative response. Trump doesn't believe in anything beyond the betterment of Trump, so he doesn't need to hold any firm beliefs on anything.
"Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he doubles down on it instead of just admitting he made a mistake"
"Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he backs down on it instead of standing by what he said"
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Piers Morgan is an amoral piece of shit. Not strictly relevant to the content but I feel like whenever anyone gives him attention people should be reminded that he was pretty much exiled to America after he was caught manufacturing propaganda for the group that became ISIS to try and make a quick buck.
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I'm watching Bloomberg's speech now... so far it's pretty cool, but I can't believe he said that Democrats stand in the way of action on education. Republicans are the ones pushing non-education into our schools, with removing science from science class, injecting religion into public schools, and trying to change history. Not to mention the fact that Bernie and Hillary have educational reform plans, while Trump is busy selling fake education. I guess Bloomberg had to make up something bad though to seem objective, and I think overall he did a great job supporting Hillary.
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On July 29 2016 02:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:12 Plansix wrote:On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? He won't stop. He will say anything and then walk it back if it gets a negative response. Trump doesn't believe in anything beyond the betterment of Trump, so he doesn't need to hold any firm beliefs on anything. "Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he doubles down on it instead of just admitting he made a mistake" "Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he backs down on it instead of standing by what he said"
your second statement is not a sound representation of what the other guy said.
And it's pretty clearly not, so why do you think it is?
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On July 29 2016 02:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:12 Plansix wrote:On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? He won't stop. He will say anything and then walk it back if it gets a negative response. Trump doesn't believe in anything beyond the betterment of Trump, so he doesn't need to hold any firm beliefs on anything. "Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he doubles down on it instead of just admitting he made a mistake" "Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he backs down on it instead of standing by what he said"
Trump clearly believes in Trump and Trump being right. But have no doubt, he doesn't give a fuck about you or anyone you care about.
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On July 29 2016 02:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? I mean read it. "I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press"
Am I seriously wrong to think that's sarcasm? There's no way it was originally sarcastic lol this is Trump we're talking about. He's dead serious and then realizes too late that he said something dumb and then backtracks.
On July 29 2016 02:14 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? I mean read it. "I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press"
Am I seriously wrong to think that's sarcasm? I've lost count of the number of time Trump defenders have had to interpret his quotes to make them less horrible. If it is so obvious, why did it take 24 hours to say? My bet is he waited to see if the reaction was negative. When it was, he backtracked like he always does.
Read the fucking tweet it has obvious sarcasm.
Unless you honestly fucking think Trump was saying the press would mightily reward Putin for this, you have to admit it was made with sarcastic intent.
This is going back to why Trump got so much support in the first place with regards to people throwing a fit over the most mundane shit
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On July 29 2016 02:14 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:12 Plansix wrote:On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? He won't stop. He will say anything and then walk it back if it gets a negative response. Trump doesn't believe in anything beyond the betterment of Trump, so he doesn't need to hold any firm beliefs on anything. "Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he doubles down on it instead of just admitting he made a mistake" "Trump's problem is whenever he fucks up he backs down on it instead of standing by what he said"
Maybe some of us are more interested in a president that doesn't fuck up on a daily basis? Just my thoughts.
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On July 29 2016 02:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 29 2016 02:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 29 2016 01:24 Doodsmack wrote:
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican presidential nominee said, staring directly into the bank of television cameras...“I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press.”
- D. Trump, 7/27/16
“Of course I’m being sarcastic.”
- D. Trump, 7/28/16 Seriously? He backtracked again? I mean read it. "I think you will probably be mightily rewarded by our press"
Am I seriously wrong to think that's sarcasm? There's no way it was originally sarcastic lol this is Trump we're talking about. He's dead serious and then realizes too late that he said something dumb and then backtracks.
He's been a public figure (warranted or not) for over 3 decades and as soon as he becomes a politician his opponents want to forget his personality and rewrite it with the media's take. Yes, he has a sense of humor. + Show Spoiler + If he's elected he'll be the only President to have had a Comedy Central roast. The American public knows him, for whatever it's worth. This is why he's not vulnerable to random shit that other Republicans would have to constantly be apologizing for. Were you even watching the press conference live? Here's my challenge to all of you people. Watch some Trump things live and actually make a note of anything you thought was controversial. Then the next day look at what the media is telling you is controversial and see if you came to the same conclusion. Just for laughs.
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On July 29 2016 02:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2016 02:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 29 2016 02:03 KwarK wrote:On July 29 2016 01:50 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 29 2016 01:42 KwarK wrote:On July 29 2016 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 28 2016 23:48 KwarK wrote:
Bernie knows that it's a two party system. There is no reason to make a third party run in a two party system. Reform FPTP and maybe he'll try. Yeah, everyone knows the two parties have always been Democrat and Republican... Which two parties are seen as the "two parties" never changes. Not once has a "third party" moved into becoming one of the two major parties. Also, It's not like anyone ever ran for president as third party before later becoming president within one of the parties. Clearly nothing has been gained in American history from people running third party. Stop pretending to be stupider than you are. None of that is applicable to this election. The two nominees have never been less liked/trusted in modern polling history, if there's an election it applies to, it's this one. No, it'll be much more likely to be in the fallout from this one as the parties analyze what went wrong in this election. But even then they'll be far, far more likely to reform themselves internally and take ground previously occupied by a third party than implode and be replaced by a third party. This isn't a debate we're having, this is just me having to explain to you how first past the post works. It is extremely difficult for one of the two dominant parties to cease to be dominant and takes active effort on their part. It just doesn't work the way you want it to. We're not arguing from equal positions here, this is me speaking from a position of knowledge and you speaking from one of ignorance and I am trying to fix your ignorance. And you really ought to be smart enough to understand that and listen. I know you really liked Bernie and I know you really don't like either of the two candidates. That sucks for you. But that does not change the intrinsic barriers created by first past the post or the colossal amount of momentum that the establishment parties have. Reality isn't treating you very nicely right now but that doesn't mean that reality is any less real. You need to stop committing to this insane alternate reality in which there is any scenario that results in a win for you. The system failed you and that's that. You're not explaining anything to me silly. There's more to running third party than winning a single election. But I know you know that and are just being difficult. Firstly, you made a case for a third party winning and replacing one of the two major parties. Not me. So that's why I responded explaining how incredibly unlikely that outcome is. As for there being other advantages to running third party. Running against the establishment to show them that they have underestimated the popular support for an issue is great. Bernie did that and he forced Hillary left. But forcing Hillary left doesn't mean shit if he then runs against her. Bernie forced Hillary to become a candidate that he could stand behind, why would he then want to not stand behind her? In a representative democracy you sell your votes for influence over the people you elect. You can sell them cheaply like apolitical lifetime Dems or you can sell them expensively like Bernie has but if you're so principled that you refuse under any circumstances to sell them then you're doing nothing but disenfranchising yourself.
It's all transactional. If you can't make a deal, you're shit. You need to convert your assets to results and Bernie did that far as he was able. I would argue that Bernie made a great fucking deal, better than any that the guy who wrote Art of the Deal made. Oops, well, actually the ghostwriter got half the revenues so that was pretty solid for him.
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