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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 03:08 GMT
#89361
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 26 2016 03:09 GMT
#89362
On July 26 2016 12:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 26 2016 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 11:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
yeah shame about those 17m votes that outweigh enthusiasm


You really just don't get it. No question Bernie would get more of Hillary's votes than Hillary will get of Bernie's. Strictly from a strategic point of view it's the smarter choice.


right, you know why? id vote for bernie if he won because i understand whats at stake here.


Exactly. We won't. It's up to you all if you want to choose to lose or not.

I mean like 82% of bernie supporters already have switched, so as Silverman said, you're being ridiculous. On the bright side most of Bernies actual supporters will vote Clinton, and the lunatic fringe will vote for Stein or not at all like they always will.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 03:11:19
July 26 2016 03:10 GMT
#89363
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 03:11 GMT
#89364
On July 26 2016 12:09 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 26 2016 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 11:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
yeah shame about those 17m votes that outweigh enthusiasm


You really just don't get it. No question Bernie would get more of Hillary's votes than Hillary will get of Bernie's. Strictly from a strategic point of view it's the smarter choice.


right, you know why? id vote for bernie if he won because i understand whats at stake here.


Exactly. We won't. It's up to you all if you want to choose to lose or not.

I mean like 82% of bernie supporters already have switched, so as Silverman said, you're being ridiculous. On the bright side most of Bernies actual supporters will vote Clinton, and the lunatic fringe will vote for Stein or not at all like they always will.

The best part is Bernie is talking right to him and he gives zero fucks.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44618 Posts
July 26 2016 03:11 GMT
#89365
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.


Bernie's speech was exactly what I expected (and should be of no surprise to anyone who's been following him):
1. Very inspirational
2. Very well laid out
3. A strong and logical endorsement of Hillary Clinton
It's what he's been saying for weeks, and as a Bernie supporter I'm proud to be voting for the Democrats.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 03:13:37
July 26 2016 03:12 GMT
#89366
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.

They do, though. It doesn't do any good to pretend they don't exist, and they do represent a sizable contingent - the latest poll would put them at about 1.3 million (10% of sanders voters, specifically).

There's not going to be any convincing them, of course, but it's important to note for strategic purposes. It signals to the trump campaign that continuing with shallow, vague appeals to the Sander's supporters is worth continuing to do. If they can be convinced to not vote Trump that's as close a victory as Clinton can get at this point.

DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44618 Posts
July 26 2016 03:12 GMT
#89367
On July 26 2016 12:10 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.


Social media is disproportionately for Bernie though (younger voters). Check out this article... It's encouraging news, that the vast majority of Bernie supporters (myself included) are probably going to vote for Hillary over Trump (or a third party candidate), since out of the only two candidates who can possibly become president, Hillary's policies and reforms and record are closer to what Bernie and I want than what Trump prefers.

"90 percent of unwavering Sanders supporters plan to vote for Clinton in November ... Pew asked those consistent Sanders supporters whom they support in the general election. Ninety percent said they back Hillary Clinton. ... Most Democrats — even those who consistently supported Bernie Sanders in the primary — plan to back Hillary Clinton. Those Democrats are more likely to be moderate and, Pew's data suggests, more willing to accept compromise."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 26 2016 03:13 GMT
#89368
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


"The minority doesn't matter"
~Progressive Plansix~
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 03:13 GMT
#89369
On July 26 2016 12:10 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

Pew did some research. 90% plan to vote for Hillary. The rest won't vote, which is why they don't matter.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 26 2016 03:14 GMT
#89370
90% is pretty good, if he can eke out a couple % more and turnout where it matters that's plenty. WOn't be Clinton 2008 level, but plenty.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 26 2016 03:15 GMT
#89371
On July 26 2016 12:13 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:10 travis wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

Pew did some research. 90% plan to vote for Hillary. The rest won't vote, which is why they don't matter.

Posts like this are literally what makes them vote Trump - I see Clinton supporters making posts like this over and over all over the place, and it does them no good to take that tack
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 03:16 GMT
#89372
A 100% conversion rate would be insane. 90% is pretty great.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23311 Posts
July 26 2016 03:18 GMT
#89373
On July 26 2016 12:13 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:10 travis wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

Pew did some research. 90% plan to vote for Hillary. The rest won't vote, which is why they don't matter.



Just don't come back in november trying to blame people who don't matter for Hillary losing.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 03:18 GMT
#89374
On July 26 2016 12:15 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:10 travis wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

Pew did some research. 90% plan to vote for Hillary. The rest won't vote, which is why they don't matter.

Posts like this are literally what makes them vote Trump - I see Clinton supporters making posts like this over and over all over the place, and it does them no good to take that tack

Harsh talk on the internet - if you don't vote, you don't matter to politicians. End of story. This is why the youth vote is constantly ignored, because it is impossible to get them out to vote in numbers that matter.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 26 2016 03:18 GMT
#89375
On July 26 2016 12:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


"The minority doesn't matter"
~Progressive Plansix~


Careful bro with that logic the gays don't matter
Question.?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 26 2016 03:18 GMT
#89376
On July 26 2016 12:15 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:10 travis wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

Pew did some research. 90% plan to vote for Hillary. The rest won't vote, which is why they don't matter.

Posts like this are literally what makes them vote Trump - I see Clinton supporters making posts like this over and over all over the place, and it does them no good to take that tack


It's a blunt way to put it, but essentially "we would appreciate your vote, we think that we can be buddies, but hey we can only meet you halfway there and its up to you. If not okay good luck we're gonna head over to the moderates and such with the same pitch".
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
July 26 2016 03:19 GMT
#89377
On July 26 2016 12:16 Plansix wrote:
A 100% conversion rate would be insane. 90% is pretty great.

90% was before the leaks, she might lose some more. Look at the reddit frenzy over this, and there's millions of people there
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 26 2016 03:19 GMT
#89378
On July 26 2016 12:11 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:09 Jaaaaasper wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 26 2016 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 11:54 ticklishmusic wrote:
yeah shame about those 17m votes that outweigh enthusiasm


You really just don't get it. No question Bernie would get more of Hillary's votes than Hillary will get of Bernie's. Strictly from a strategic point of view it's the smarter choice.


right, you know why? id vote for bernie if he won because i understand whats at stake here.


Exactly. We won't. It's up to you all if you want to choose to lose or not.

I mean like 82% of bernie supporters already have switched, so as Silverman said, you're being ridiculous. On the bright side most of Bernies actual supporters will vote Clinton, and the lunatic fringe will vote for Stein or not at all like they always will.

The best part is Bernie is talking right to him and he gives zero fucks.

Thats the thing about cults of personality, at some point even the guy its based around stop passing the ideology check
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 26 2016 03:20 GMT
#89379
On July 26 2016 12:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 12:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:10 travis wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 Plansix wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:08 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
He endorsed, as expected


He's been endorsing for weeks now, no surprise there


The loud boos as loud or louder than the cheers probably coming as a surprise to people who thought the party was united.

Yeah, those 50 people. They matter.


based on social media comments I see, a decent percentage of Bernie supporters refuse to vote for Hillary.

it matters, and it will make a difference, considering this could be a close election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/25/the-democratic-convention-is-chaotic-the-democratic-base-isnt/

Pew did some research. 90% plan to vote for Hillary. The rest won't vote, which is why they don't matter.



Just don't come back in november trying to blame people who don't matter for Hillary losing.


Don't worry Trump would have beaten Sanders anyways, it just would have been a closer race ^.^
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 03:23:20
July 26 2016 03:21 GMT
#89380
A wild Bill Clinton appears. He looks tired.

Edit: Sanders is good and really delivered.
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