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On July 26 2016 09:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:12 biology]major wrote:On July 26 2016 09:08 Plansix wrote:
We have no national language. They don't care about you when they are speak Spanish. I'm a naturalized citizen and the language of the USA is English. If someone immigrated to the country they should take the time to learn English and learn the values of the place they are immigrating to. This is a sad celebration of illegal immigration. They don't even aknowledge it as breaking the law lmao. First, just because a family prefers to speak their native language- which is incredibly popular in this country- doesn't mean that family is in this country illegally. That's a racist assumption to make. Second, what are these American values that you worry about? Because if it's the values from the Statue of Liberty poem- "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...", then I think that plenty of immigrants understand the message, and plenty of closed-minded, xenophobic Americans don't. Third, your comment of "the language of the USA is English" is just plain false. We don't have an official national language. English is the most popular, sure, but that's not a legal recognition. And fourth, speaking Spanish isn't illegal. What the heck are you talking about, saying that not learning English is "breaking the law lmao"?
How many of our grandparents couldn't speak or read English? My great grandmother lived to be 108 and she never got the hang of speaking English well. But we are supposed to be offended the DNC has the audacity to speak Spanish.
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It baffles me that there seems to be so many great democratic speakers here and they chose to nominate Hillary
That veteran woman that just spoke was great
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I'm honestly not sure how many of these other speakers wanted to run for president.
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On July 26 2016 09:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 26 2016 09:12 biology]major wrote:On July 26 2016 09:08 Plansix wrote:
We have no national language. They don't care about you when they are speak Spanish. I'm a naturalized citizen and the language of the USA is English. If someone immigrated to the country they should take the time to learn English and learn the values of the place they are immigrating to. This is a sad celebration of illegal immigration. They don't even aknowledge it as breaking the law lmao. First, just because a family prefers to speak their native language- which is incredibly popular in this country- doesn't mean that family is in this country illegally. That's a racist assumption to make. Second, what are these American values that you worry about? Because if it's the values from the Statue of Liberty poem- "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...", then I think that plenty of immigrants understand the message, and plenty of closed-minded, xenophobic Americans don't. Third, your comment of "the language of the USA is English" is just plain false. We don't have an official national language. English is the most popular, sure, but that's not a legal recognition. And fourth, speaking Spanish isn't illegal. What the heck are you talking about, saying that not learning English is "breaking the law lmao"? How many of our grandparents couldn't speak or read English? My great grandmother lived to be 108 and she never got the hang of speaking English well. But we are supposed to be offended the DNC has the audacity to speak Spanish.
At the same time there's a reason why I can't speak Gaelic even though my great-grandfather and grandfather could.
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On July 26 2016 09:29 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:23 LegalLord wrote:
Sometimes you have to protect industries because they need time to grow to be internationally competitive. That doesn't mean they're not healthy and deserve to die.
Not protecting industries in weaker countries means they lose any hope of developing any industry other than slave labor. Which is one source of economic hegemony that is not a good thing in the long run. I agree that occasional protection can be worthwhile. But protection tends to become politically entrenched over time. Comparative advantage should result in some industries growing anyways, as long as the population has or is given the necessary skills; protectionism nullifies the benefit of trade by comparative advantage. I'd say the benefits of free trade have proven themselves in general; though whether the more recent trade deals provide that benefit moreso than is already the case via other, older trade deals I don't know. I find your assertion that weaker countries couldn't develop anything without protection to be highly suspect. If nothing else, the lure of places with skills and low wages should cause some industry development; and of course there are other things which would cause such as well.
Skills aren't grown out of nowhere. If there are no jobs for an industry back home, the people who learn skills will migrate to wealthier nations, especially with freedom of movement.
A common trend among developing countries is that their local industries are destroyed by cheap foreign imports, the nation loses capital-intensive production power and are forced to offer slave labor with little hope of progress in the future. Add some loans that are meant to stimulate exports to said countries and we quickly have a downward spiral. It ends badly for both the powerful and weak nations in the long run.
Instead, if some protection and capital is given, industries can grow within their own countries, buoyed by lower labor costs, until the industries become competitive in the international market. Trade agreements generally fail to support this outcome and instead we get a downward spiral that benefits the wealthy but fucks everyone else in both countries.
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Why isn't Al Gore at the convention (serious question)
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On July 26 2016 09:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:12 biology]major wrote:On July 26 2016 09:08 Plansix wrote:
We have no national language. They don't care about you when they are speak Spanish. I'm a naturalized citizen and the language of the USA is English. If someone immigrated to the country they should take the time to learn English and learn the values of the place they are immigrating to. This is a sad celebration of illegal immigration. They don't even aknowledge it as breaking the law lmao. First, just because a family prefers to speak their native language- which is incredibly popular in this country- doesn't mean that family is in this country illegally. That's a racist assumption to make. Second, what are these American values that you worry about? Because if it's the values from the Statue of Liberty poem- "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...", then I think that plenty of immigrants understand the message, and plenty of closed-minded, xenophobic Americans don't. Third, your comment of "the language of the USA is English" is just plain false. We don't have an official national language. English is the most popular, sure, but that's not a legal recognition. And fourth, speaking Spanish isn't illegal. What the heck are you talking about, saying that not learning English is "breaking the law lmao"?
I think its disgraceful to be in the USA for an extended period of time and not know a word of English. People keep justifying breaking the law by saying "oh I wanted a better life for my kids", that's not in any way a justification. Was referring to immigrating illegally when I said breaking the law. You don't need to be jailed for not being able to speak english, and you don't need to be deported either but this blatant celebration of breaking the law and using the american dream as a justification is just silly
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On July 26 2016 09:37 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:33 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2016 09:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 26 2016 09:12 biology]major wrote:On July 26 2016 09:08 Plansix wrote:
We have no national language. They don't care about you when they are speak Spanish. I'm a naturalized citizen and the language of the USA is English. If someone immigrated to the country they should take the time to learn English and learn the values of the place they are immigrating to. This is a sad celebration of illegal immigration. They don't even aknowledge it as breaking the law lmao. First, just because a family prefers to speak their native language- which is incredibly popular in this country- doesn't mean that family is in this country illegally. That's a racist assumption to make. Second, what are these American values that you worry about? Because if it's the values from the Statue of Liberty poem- "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...", then I think that plenty of immigrants understand the message, and plenty of closed-minded, xenophobic Americans don't. Third, your comment of "the language of the USA is English" is just plain false. We don't have an official national language. English is the most popular, sure, but that's not a legal recognition. And fourth, speaking Spanish isn't illegal. What the heck are you talking about, saying that not learning English is "breaking the law lmao"? How many of our grandparents couldn't speak or read English? My great grandmother lived to be 108 and she never got the hang of speaking English well. But we are supposed to be offended the DNC has the audacity to speak Spanish. At the same time there's a reason why I can't speak Gaelic even though my great-grandfather and grandfather could.
Still, I think its fine a political party speaks in someone else's language. We would all be better off speaking two. Kids are better off learning two languages. There is literally nothing bad about second languages.
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Best speech yet is Bob Casey, I really like this man.
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On July 26 2016 09:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 26 2016 09:12 biology]major wrote:On July 26 2016 09:08 Plansix wrote:
We have no national language. They don't care about you when they are speak Spanish. I'm a naturalized citizen and the language of the USA is English. If someone immigrated to the country they should take the time to learn English and learn the values of the place they are immigrating to. This is a sad celebration of illegal immigration. They don't even aknowledge it as breaking the law lmao. First, just because a family prefers to speak their native language- which is incredibly popular in this country- doesn't mean that family is in this country illegally. That's a racist assumption to make. Second, what are these American values that you worry about? Because if it's the values from the Statue of Liberty poem- "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...", then I think that plenty of immigrants understand the message, and plenty of closed-minded, xenophobic Americans don't. Third, your comment of "the language of the USA is English" is just plain false. We don't have an official national language. English is the most popular, sure, but that's not a legal recognition. And fourth, speaking Spanish isn't illegal. What the heck are you talking about, saying that not learning English is "breaking the law lmao"? I think its disgraceful to be in the USA for an extended period of time and not know a word of English. People keep justifying breaking the law by saying "oh I wanted a better life for my kids", that's not in any way a justification. Was referring to immigrating illegally when I said breaking the law. You don't need to be jailed for not being able to speak english, and you don't need to be deported either but this blatant celebration of breaking the law and using the american dream as a justification is just silly
Part of the problem is that our immigration laws are absolutely atrocious and a complete embarrassment.
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On July 26 2016 09:39 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 26 2016 09:12 biology]major wrote:On July 26 2016 09:08 Plansix wrote:
We have no national language. They don't care about you when they are speak Spanish. I'm a naturalized citizen and the language of the USA is English. If someone immigrated to the country they should take the time to learn English and learn the values of the place they are immigrating to. This is a sad celebration of illegal immigration. They don't even aknowledge it as breaking the law lmao. First, just because a family prefers to speak their native language- which is incredibly popular in this country- doesn't mean that family is in this country illegally. That's a racist assumption to make. Second, what are these American values that you worry about? Because if it's the values from the Statue of Liberty poem- "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...", then I think that plenty of immigrants understand the message, and plenty of closed-minded, xenophobic Americans don't. Third, your comment of "the language of the USA is English" is just plain false. We don't have an official national language. English is the most popular, sure, but that's not a legal recognition. And fourth, speaking Spanish isn't illegal. What the heck are you talking about, saying that not learning English is "breaking the law lmao"? I think its disgraceful to be in the USA for an extended period of time and not know a word of English. People keep justifying breaking the law by saying "oh I wanted a better life for my kids", that's not in any way a justification. Was referring to immigrating illegally when I said breaking the law. You don't need to be jailed for not being able to speak english, and you don't need to be deported either but this blatant celebration of breaking the law and using the american dream as a justification is just silly
I think it's disgraceful to be in the USA and believe in young earth creationism or not understand basic arithmetic, but we can't always get what we want, and people have a right to be stupid (or speak whatever language they want) :/ The speaking of Spanish is nothing more than a celebration and acknowledgment of Spanish-speakers; don't extrapolate it to illegal immigrants.
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On July 26 2016 09:37 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 09:29 zlefin wrote:On July 26 2016 09:23 LegalLord wrote:
Sometimes you have to protect industries because they need time to grow to be internationally competitive. That doesn't mean they're not healthy and deserve to die.
Not protecting industries in weaker countries means they lose any hope of developing any industry other than slave labor. Which is one source of economic hegemony that is not a good thing in the long run. I agree that occasional protection can be worthwhile. But protection tends to become politically entrenched over time. Comparative advantage should result in some industries growing anyways, as long as the population has or is given the necessary skills; protectionism nullifies the benefit of trade by comparative advantage. I'd say the benefits of free trade have proven themselves in general; though whether the more recent trade deals provide that benefit moreso than is already the case via other, older trade deals I don't know. I find your assertion that weaker countries couldn't develop anything without protection to be highly suspect. If nothing else, the lure of places with skills and low wages should cause some industry development; and of course there are other things which would cause such as well. Skills aren't grown out of nowhere. If there are no jobs for an industry back home, the people who learn skills will migrate to wealthier nations, especially with freedom of movement. A common trend among developing countries is that their local industries are destroyed by cheap foreign imports, the nation loses capital-intensive production power and are forced to offer slave labor with little hope of progress in the future. Add some loans that are meant to stimulate exports to said countries and we quickly have a downward spiral. It ends badly for both the powerful and weak nations in the long run. Instead, if some protection and capital is given, industries can grow within their own countries, buoyed by lower labor costs, until the industries become competitive in the international market. Trade agreements generally fail to support this outcome and instead we get a downward spiral that benefits the wealthy but fucks everyone else in both countries.
Developing nations by definition don't have any great amount of worthwhile industries, that's why they're developing nations in the first place. You can't complain about everybody losing great jobs, that doesn't make any sense. In fact the developing nations profit greatly from being incorporated into the world economy.
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If you're in the US illegally and make no effort to become a citizen, you deserve to be deoprted
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Attack ad of Trump saying that pregnancy is inconvenient for the business?
Does anyone actually disagree with that?
On July 26 2016 09:46 plasmidghost wrote:
If you're in the US illegally and make no effort to become a citizen, you deserve to be deoprted
Agreed.
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I feel like some of these attack ads are actually advertising for Trump
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On July 26 2016 09:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I feel like some of these attack ads are actually advertising for Trump
Yeah, I'm finding them very easy to see through, I hope I'm in the majority.
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Hes the only one in his state not to endorse a candidate. Whats his relationship like with the Clintons and what happened lol.
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I'm quite pissed that the person who spoke was able to leech off the government and taxpayers without even being a citizen. I had to spend out the ass to go to an engineering school and to see someone who is a criminal being given immense benefits makes me angry
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