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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45855 Posts
July 25 2016 23:49 GMT
#89181
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11509 Posts
July 25 2016 23:50 GMT
#89182
TPP is probably better for US than it is for Canada at least in regards to Intellectual Property because we're trying to break in, whereas you are already sitting on lots of IP. I think it's bad in general because it continues the trend of locking IP into monopolies for longer and longer periods of time, but it'd probably work alright for those that already have, which I suspect are American.

Suing other governments probably works better for you guys as well. We lose to you guys all the time under NAFTA, so I'm not too keen for Canada to enter another set of agreements so we can lose more (one of the bigger reasons I temporarily switched political allegiances in the last Canadian election.)
Moderator"Major headline-grabbing victory for progressives was that of John Fetterman" The Jacobin
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2016 23:50 GMT
#89183
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.

Make America for Americans again.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 25 2016 23:51 GMT
#89184
The transition to her singing was pretty sudden, but nothing wrong having her speak about addiction.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 25 2016 23:51 GMT
#89185
On July 26 2016 08:50 Falling wrote:
TPP is probably better for US than it is for Canada at least in regards to Intellectual Property because we're trying to break in, whereas you are already sitting on lots of IP. I think it's bad in general because it continues the trend of locking IP into monopolies for longer and longer periods of time, but it'd probably work alright for those that already have, which I suspect are American.

Suing other governments probably works better for you guys as well. We lose to you guys all the time under NAFTA, so I'm not too keen for Canada to enter another set of agreements so we can lose more (one of the bigger reasons I temporarily switched political allegiances in the last Canadian election.)

NDP?
© Current year.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
July 25 2016 23:52 GMT
#89186
Literally never heard this song before, but it seems aight.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 25 2016 23:53 GMT
#89187
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.


"Celebrities in politics what a joke the RNC is so trash!"

wait a minute...
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 25 2016 23:53 GMT
#89188
On July 26 2016 08:44 LegalLord wrote:
Trade agreements have had plenty of issues and have fallen severely out of favor for good reason. If TPP is a good thing I'll believe it when I see it.

Certainly some have had issues; though some issues are overblown or a result of inaccurate presentation by politicians looking to score points. A sadly perennial issue.
Isn't the full text of the TPP out?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45855 Posts
July 25 2016 23:55 GMT
#89189
On July 26 2016 08:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.


"Celebrities in politics what a joke the RNC is so trash!"

wait a minute...


Who are you quoting? I don't recall saying that. And furthermore, I think it depends on the specific celebrity's knowledge and message that makes him or her relevant at a national convention.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 25 2016 23:55 GMT
#89190
On July 26 2016 08:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.


"Celebrities in politics what a joke the RNC is so trash!"

wait a minute...


She was the last of several speakers about addiction.

Do you see what I mean about being childish now?
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11509 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 23:59:17
July 25 2016 23:56 GMT
#89191
On July 26 2016 08:51 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:50 Falling wrote:
TPP is probably better for US than it is for Canada at least in regards to Intellectual Property because we're trying to break in, whereas you are already sitting on lots of IP. I think it's bad in general because it continues the trend of locking IP into monopolies for longer and longer periods of time, but it'd probably work alright for those that already have, which I suspect are American.

Suing other governments probably works better for you guys as well. We lose to you guys all the time under NAFTA, so I'm not too keen for Canada to enter another set of agreements so we can lose more (one of the bigger reasons I temporarily switched political allegiances in the last Canadian election.)

NDP?

Yeah. Never thought I would vote NDP after voting Conservative and Alliance, haha. Liberals were too wishy washy, plus they were a non-entity in my riding. Besides, Mulcair popped out right of centre as a fiscal conservative, promising a balanced budget, haha. What an election that was. However, the follow up from their convention makes me very disinterested in their party.
Moderator"Major headline-grabbing victory for progressives was that of John Fetterman" The Jacobin
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 23:58:16
July 25 2016 23:57 GMT
#89192
On July 26 2016 08:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.


"Celebrities in politics what a joke the RNC is so trash!"

wait a minute...


I think it depends on the specific celebrity's knowledge and message that makes him or her relevant at a national convention.


This is a rational position to take. I agree.

On July 26 2016 08:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.


"Celebrities in politics what a joke the RNC is so trash!"

wait a minute...


She was the last of several speakers about addiction.

Do you see what I mean about being childish now?


I see the irony
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 26 2016 00:00 GMT
#89193
On July 26 2016 08:53 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:44 LegalLord wrote:
Trade agreements have had plenty of issues and have fallen severely out of favor for good reason. If TPP is a good thing I'll believe it when I see it.

Certainly some have had issues; though some issues are overblown or a result of inaccurate presentation by politicians looking to score points. A sadly perennial issue.
Isn't the full text of the TPP out?

The TPP is only one in a long string of trade deals that have had results that I do not particularly care for.

Though I wonder how many people are actually going to read the TPP. I neither have the time nor the legal expertise to read the full text. Probably by design.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
July 26 2016 00:00 GMT
#89194
On July 26 2016 08:42 zlefin wrote:
I believe TPP will be good for the US. though some tweaks may be in order.




TPP is awful, it's another step to a more robotic and less private society.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 00:02 GMT
#89195
Please watch this youtube video made by this random internet man. There is literally no chance you could get better information elsewhere.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 00:04:03
July 26 2016 00:03 GMT
#89196
fiwi -> I can't see youtube vids, due to settings. so whatever point your video was to make will not be noted by me.
have you read it then fiwi?
I also dislike watching vids; I'd rather have the text of osmething, that's much faster to read; and it's easier to quote which facilitates discussion.

legal -> which results do you find unsatisfactory?
as to it being long; wlel, everything these days is long and complicated; if you don't make it detailed then there ends up being a bunch of debates/issues over uncovered stuff.
If I were in congress i'd read it; as is, i'll skim a few sections maybe.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-26 00:07:30
July 26 2016 00:07 GMT
#89197
On July 26 2016 08:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.


"Celebrities in politics what a joke the RNC is so trash!"

wait a minute...


I think it depends on the specific celebrity's knowledge and message that makes him or her relevant at a national convention.


This is a rational position to take. I agree.

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2016 08:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 26 2016 08:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Demi Lovato what


Still a better speaker than the RNC's celebrities, unless she starts saying that Trump loves Satan or is a Muslim.


"Celebrities in politics what a joke the RNC is so trash!"

wait a minute...


She was the last of several speakers about addiction.

Do you see what I mean about being childish now?


I see the irony


to an extent. unfortunately for you that doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 26 2016 00:07 GMT
#89198
Lmao the dems are really obsessed with that Hispanic vote. Learn to speak English please, the majority of us can't understand Spanish
Question.?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 26 2016 00:08 GMT
#89199
We have no national language. They don't care about you when they are speak Spanish.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11826 Posts
July 26 2016 00:08 GMT
#89200
On July 26 2016 09:03 zlefin wrote:
fiwi -> I can't see youtube vids, due to settings. so whatever point your video was to make will not be noted by me.
have you read it then fiwi?
I also dislike watching vids; I'd rather have the text of osmething, that's much faster to read; and it's easier to quote which facilitates discussion.

legal -> which results do you find unsatisfactory?
as to it being long; wlel, everything these days is long and complicated; if you don't make it detailed then there ends up being a bunch of debates/issues over uncovered stuff.
If I were in congress i'd read it; as is, i'll skim a few sections maybe.


Agreed. Videos as arguments suck. I will not watch a 20 minute video that took you 20 seconds to post. If you can't put in the effort to actually write out your argument, i won't put in the effort of reacting to it.
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