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On July 26 2016 07:54 Doodsmack wrote:Just keep interpreting what he means to be different than what he says ("there has to be punishment") and you'll keep your hope alive.
Keep lying about people you disagree with; I'm sure it'll work out for you eventually.
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On July 26 2016 07:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I know the DNC is on, but I just saw an interesting comment about the end of the RNC, when the audience booed Cruz for not explicitly endorsing Trump (i.e., using his name). Cruz's comments were purposely generic in regards to voting your heart for the best candidate, etc. etc.
People booed because he didn't endorse Donald Trump. Stop trying to stir things up DPB.
That's literally the point of the message. To think he didn't endorse Trump means that Trump isn't the candidate who actually shares your values and defends the Constitution.
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On July 26 2016 07:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 26 2016 07:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I know the DNC is on, but I just saw an interesting comment about the end of the RNC, when the audience booed Cruz for not explicitly endorsing Trump (i.e., using his name). Cruz's comments were purposely generic in regards to voting your heart for the best candidate, etc. etc.
People booed because he didn't endorse Donald Trump. Stop trying to stir things up DPB. That's literally the point of the message. To think he didn't endorse Trump means that Trump isn't the candidate who actually shares your values and defends the Constitution.
Nobody endorses a candidate that way, don't be dumb. People would say the same thing if Bernie said vote with your heart, instead of endorsing Hillary.
You're focusing on some minute detail and technicality for whatever reason.
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On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2016 07:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
lol. It's just ridiculous. We're so united...
We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not.
The people protesting do not care about Bernie. If they gave even 2 shits about the platform he ran on they would see how bad Trump would be for that platform and would agree with Bernie that the #1 priority is to stop a Trump presidency from undoing the last decades of progress.
Instead all they care about is kicking 'the system'. That is why they supported Bernie and now Trump. Because their platform and idea's do not matter. All that matters is that they are outside the system.
(and then supporting Trump is still a terrible idea because he is just as corrupt as every other politician ever.
The difference is that Trump is not the one being bought. He is the guy buying. All your doing is cutting out the middle man).
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On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not.
I think they were trying to pull his speaking slot (is the unreliable chatter) I've heard. But I don't think many people care. If they did we wouldn't have seen what we already did. This, like I said, was the best day. They have progressively less progressives for the rest of the week.
BTW, I'm not there but I am texting with people on the floor and outside.
On July 26 2016 07:59 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. The people protesting do not care about Bernie. If they gave even 2 shits about the platform he ran on they would see how bad Trump would be for that platform and would agree with Bernie that the #1 priority is to stop a Trump presidency from undoing the last decades of progress. Instead all they care about is kicking 'the system'. That is why they supported Bernie and now Trump. Because their platform and idea's do not matter. All that matters is that they are outside the system. (and then supporting Trump is still a terrible idea because he is just as corrupt as every other politician ever. The difference is that Trump is not the one being bought. He is the guy buying. All your doing is cutting out the middle man).
What I don't think people are understanding is that Bernie and his supporters are trying their damndest to tell you that the best way to defeat Trump is to not nominate Hillary. While some people are suceptible to the "but Trump so scary" argument, what you're seeing today is that the "Never Hillary" crowd is much larger than any of Hillary's camp wants to admit.
Those delegates there on the floor are representing millions of voters and they are doing what they were sent there to do (many went through several layers of voting before they even got there, that's how millions of people feel). If Dem's nominate Hillary they can't say we didn't warn you that we wouldn't support her
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On July 26 2016 07:59 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. The people protesting do not care about Bernie. If they gave even 2 shits about the platform he ran on they would see how bad Trump would be for that platform and would agree with Bernie that the #1 priority is to stop a Trump presidency from undoing the last decades of progress. Instead all they care about is kicking 'the system'. That is why they supported Bernie and now Trump. Because their platform and idea's do not matter. All that matters is that they are outside the system. (and then supporting Trump is still a terrible idea because he is just as corrupt as every other politician ever. The difference is that Trump is not the one being bought. He is the guy buying. All your doing is cutting out the middle man).
Are you claiming that Trump is running for president for economic reasons?
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On July 26 2016 07:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 26 2016 07:33 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 26 2016 07:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 26 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2016 07:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 26 2016 07:22 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:18 amazingxkcd wrote:
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since when did donald say blacks cant vote? since when did donald sasy gay marriage should be removed? i personally am against abortion but i havent seen donald say we must ban abortion without any questions He claimed that women seeking abortions should be punished. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/mar/30/context-transcript-donald-trump-punishing-women-ab/MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.
MATTHEWS: For the woman.
TRUMP: Yeah, there has to be some form. Like he literally said women should be punished for abortion. If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed - like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion Is this like the Muslim ban: where he says its not a thing and then a week later he is talking about it again like he is totally going to ban all Muslims? It's a thing where you should just watch the interview yourself and decide. It looked like the interviewer was out for blood, got the upper hand on him, and baited him into saying something he didn't want to say. He instantly backed off what he said and put this statement out in response. The interview with Chris Matthews? I agree that the video should be watched, because Matthews wasn't baiting anything imo; he just insisted that Trump actually give a straight answer, and Matthews didn't back down from his abortion question until Trump actually gave an answer (which Trump isn't used to). The text from that was actually a great read. Trump tried to redirect and change the subject to the Pope, to Catholic dogma, to whether Matthews was a good Catholic etc over and over and Matthews just smoothly dismissed that and then hammered it back onto Trump. Even if you believe that Trump was just trying to give any kind of answer and completely misspoke on the issue it still shows how badly out of his depth he was and how ineffectual and incompetent he is when not allowed to slither around on an issue. I think it comes down to the fact that he honestly doesn't care that much about it, much in line with the fact that he's a social liberal, but knows what he's expected to say to appeal to the far right of his party. He's said far worse than any previous Republican candidate ever has to on those issues, and plenty of what he's said are seriously beyond the pale. Also, given what his past political history shows, I find the notion he actually has a clear set of political views or any clear ideas on how to govern to be ridiculous. He's an apolitical narcissist with a compulsive need to be praised and heard. Quite frankly, the last Republican I would've voted for would either have been McCain or George H.W. Bush. It's somewhat unfortunate, but the party has shown nothing but the worst of American politics over the past decade. On July 26 2016 07:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:On July 26 2016 07:42 TheYango wrote:On July 26 2016 07:41 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Oh, you call 50% of the US population know-nothings? Cool cool, all inclusive. The Republican party is not "50% of the US population". At least 40%+ of USA who support the Republican party? Or 40%+ of voters if I really must be that specific. Party membership is something along the lines of 23% Republican, 32% Democratic, 39% Independent. In terms of "lean", 39% lean Republican, 48% lean Democratic. Pew Research Center Do these numbers really matter? Why not just look at how people vote? No need for research.And he said the know-nothings came back 8 years ago where McCain received 46%, so clearly 46% of people preferred him over whatever the Democrats were bringing. Either way, it's not pretty.
Because this is part of looking at how people and different demographics vote? I mean really. <_< Looking at party identification between different demographics largely match voting patterns for these demographics, and show comparative spikes/troughs in demographic support.
In general, despite having lower number of members and voters, Republicans have better voting discipline (they generally perform well in off-year elections for instance), but in terms of looking at voter "lean", it's also very useful to seeing general trends in electorate political leanings and likely voting patterns. For instance, the spikes in Republican lean in 1992-4 and in 2001-2, and the decline comparative widening in D:R lean in 2008.
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On July 26 2016 07:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 26 2016 07:28 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 26 2016 07:26 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2016 07:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 26 2016 07:22 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:18 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 26 2016 07:16 Plansix wrote:On July 26 2016 07:14 amazingxkcd wrote:On July 26 2016 07:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Either you're joking or you haven't started to follow his election campaign yet. except i do follow his campaign closely? you're making assumptions that he's some tyrannical warlord that wants ot remove everything dems have done just for the hell of it Then you are ignoring those things, because the GOP is pushing to end all of them. Gay marriage, abortions, the voters rights act. They want them all removed. If you don't believe is it going to happen, that is fine. But don't expect everyone else to take that chance. since when did donald say blacks cant vote? since when did donald sasy gay marriage should be removed? i personally am against abortion but i havent seen donald say we must ban abortion without any questions He claimed that women seeking abortions should be punished. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2016/mar/30/context-transcript-donald-trump-punishing-women-ab/MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.
MATTHEWS: For the woman.
TRUMP: Yeah, there has to be some form. Like he literally said women should be punished for abortion. If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed - like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-abortion Is this like the Muslim ban: where he says its not a thing and then a week later he is talking about it again like he is totally going to ban all Muslims? It's a thing where you should just watch the interview yourself and decide. It looked like the interviewer was out for blood, got the upper hand on him, and baited him into saying something he didn't want to say. He instantly backed off what he said and put this statement out in response. The interview with Chris Matthews? I agree that the video should be watched, because Matthews wasn't baiting anything imo; he just insisted that Trump actually give a straight answer, and Matthews didn't back down from his abortion question until Trump actually gave an answer (which Trump isn't used to). The text from that was actually a great read. Trump tried to redirect and change the subject to the Pope, to Catholic dogma, to whether Matthews was a good Catholic etc over and over and Matthews just smoothly dismissed that and then hammered it back onto Trump. Even if you believe that Trump was just trying to give any kind of answer and completely misspoke on the issue it still shows how badly out of his depth he was and how ineffectual and incompetent he is when not allowed to slither around on an issue.
The interview seems clear to me that 'pro-life' for Trump is positional, but is meaningless in any real sense. Because he has no idea what to do with the policies of pro-life, practically speaking he is pro-choice because he doesn't seem to be proposing any changes beyond 'appoint better judges.' I think evangelicals supporting him for pro-life reasons are great fools. They've been selling themselves cheaply to the Republicans for some time, but I think this is the cheapest they've been sold yet- 'pro-life' as purely aspirational, just a bunch of words. But if they can be bought for pleasing sounding words, then I guess they deserve empty rhetoric because I think that's all they'll get.
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On July 26 2016 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. I think they were trying to pull his speaking slot (is the unreliable chatter) I've heard. But I don't think many people care. If they did we wouldn't have seen what we already did. This, like I said, was the best day. They have progressively less progressives for the rest of the week. BTW, I'm not there but I am texting with people on the floor and outside.
You think he only asked people to stop protesting because the DNC said they'd take his speaking spot otherwise?
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Oh my god that Trump attack ad rofl
"If I come home and dinner isn't ready..."
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On July 26 2016 08:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Oh my god that Trump attack ad rofl
"If I come home and dinner isn't ready..."
Pathetic and low blows.
In other news, it looks like DNC hired the NASL sound guy.
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On July 26 2016 08:04 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. I think they were trying to pull his speaking slot (is the unreliable chatter) I've heard. But I don't think many people care. If they did we wouldn't have seen what we already did. This, like I said, was the best day. They have progressively less progressives for the rest of the week. BTW, I'm not there but I am texting with people on the floor and outside. You think he only asked people to stop protesting because the DNC said they'd take his speaking spot otherwise?
No, just said that was being speculated. I imagine Bernie made many deals based on the behavior of his delegates, but he said weeks ago that it's not as simple as telling them to unite.
Other speculation suggests he did it to intentionally whip his supporters up so that they made it abundantly clear that not even Bernie can get people to unite under Hillary. Even if the media has been telling us the PUMA's were so much more anti-Obama. and a larger faction of the party than these Bernie delegates represent.
I can't get inside his head, but I can assure you people aren't going to stop just because politicians tell them to, even if it's Bernie. Enough is enough, and people aren't settling for Hillary.
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On July 26 2016 08:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 08:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Oh my god that Trump attack ad rofl
"If I come home and dinner isn't ready..." Pathetic and low blows. In other news, it looks like DNC hired the NASL sound guy.
Why is it pathetic, unless you're talking about what Trump said? The best attack ads that the Democrats could possibly create is to just post video of Trump speaking. The Democrats don't even need to read between the lines or add commentary.
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On July 26 2016 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. I think they were trying to pull his speaking slot (is the unreliable chatter) I've heard. But I don't think many people care. If they did we wouldn't have seen what we already did. This, like I said, was the best day. They have progressively less progressives for the rest of the week. BTW, I'm not there but I am texting with people on the floor and outside. Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 07:59 Gorsameth wrote:On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. The people protesting do not care about Bernie. If they gave even 2 shits about the platform he ran on they would see how bad Trump would be for that platform and would agree with Bernie that the #1 priority is to stop a Trump presidency from undoing the last decades of progress. Instead all they care about is kicking 'the system'. That is why they supported Bernie and now Trump. Because their platform and idea's do not matter. All that matters is that they are outside the system. (and then supporting Trump is still a terrible idea because he is just as corrupt as every other politician ever. The difference is that Trump is not the one being bought. He is the guy buying. All your doing is cutting out the middle man). What I don't think people are understanding is that Bernie and his supporters are trying their damndest to tell you that the best way to defeat Trump is to not nominate Hillary. While some people are suceptible to the "but Trump so scary" argument, what you're seeing today is that the "Never Hillary" crowd is much larger than any of Hillary's camp wants to admit. Those delegates there on the floor are representing millions of voters and they are doing what they were sent there to do (many went through several layers of voting before they even got there, that's how millions of people feel). If Dem's nominate Hillary they can't say we didn't warn you that we wouldn't support her
Meanwhile,
Despite the protests and boos in Philadelphia, Pew Research polling shows that 90 percent of Bernie Sanders supporters plan to vote for Hillary Clinton.
Mr Sander's Deputy Communications Director Mike Casa pushed back against the hashtag #DemsinDisarray, pointing to the Pew poll.
Katty Kay ✔ @KattyKayBBC
That's higher than Clinton supporters for Obama at this stage in 08 …
1:04 PM - 25 Jul 2016 · Philadelphia, PA, United States
http://www.bbc.com/news/live/election-us-2016-35404043
Countless progressives (including myself) absolutely do not like Clinton. However, people are scared fucking shitless of the very concept of Trump winning the presidency.
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On July 26 2016 08:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 08:04 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. I think they were trying to pull his speaking slot (is the unreliable chatter) I've heard. But I don't think many people care. If they did we wouldn't have seen what we already did. This, like I said, was the best day. They have progressively less progressives for the rest of the week. BTW, I'm not there but I am texting with people on the floor and outside. You think he only asked people to stop protesting because the DNC said they'd take his speaking spot otherwise? No, just said that was being speculated. I imagine Bernie made many deals based on the behavior of his delegates, but he said weeks ago that it's not as simple as telling them to unite. Other speculation suggests he did it to intentionally whip his supporters up so that they made it abundantly clear that not even Bernie can get people to unite under Hillary. Even if the media has been telling us the PUMA's were so much more anti-Obama. and a larger faction of the party than these Bernie delegates represent. I can't get inside his head, but I can assure you people aren't going to stop just because politicians tell them to, even if it's Bernie. Enough is enough, and people aren't settling for Hillary.
So after the convention, let's say, theoretically, Clinton walks out as the nominee and Bernie has given a full on endorsement and begins campaigning for Clinton. What is the next step?
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That doesn't sound like the best attack ad the dems could've put forward; I think there are some other things that would've played better. Then again, I haven't done the kind of focus group work they'd have done (probably done at least).
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On July 26 2016 08:14 zlefin wrote:
That doesn't sound like the best attack ad the dems could've put forward; I think there are some other things that would've played better. Then again, I haven't done the kind of focus group work they'd have done (probably done at least).
There are another 4 months until the election. There's plenty of time for infinitely more attack ads (and they will never run out of source material).
This is the same stupid sentiment that led people to complain about Kaine's initial speech "not being substantive enough". The guy has had ONE speech since becoming a VP candidate.
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On July 26 2016 08:12 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2016 08:09 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 08:04 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 08:01 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:53 Mohdoo wrote:On July 26 2016 07:47 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:44 KwarK wrote:On July 26 2016 07:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 26 2016 07:34 Plansix wrote:We broke rules on purpose because we want to fuck over the guy we wanted to win!!!! He doesn't even want us to do this!!!!! Woooo!!! Oh so the rules about signs you care about, the being impartial, not so much. lol. Trump's probably going to win since dems seem incapable of even understanding why the people are resisting so hard. It's just reinforcing the reality that the notion that the party is united is imaginary. You want a united party you make some real change, otherwise this is just the beginning. Today was the tamest stuff planned since most of the speakers were Bernie supporters trying to calm the fire. Hi, The Democratic party held a big vote on which direction they should go in. Your side lost. Now the idea of being a party is that even if you disagree on some issues you'd still rather work together to get someone from your side in rather than risk the other side because you disagree with them a whole lot more. To that end you vote for Clinton, even if she was just your 2nd favourite of the two Democratic candidates, and the Clinton supporters agree to vote for Bernie over Trump if he were to win. Obviously you're not okay with that, even though you'd rely on the exact same system for Bernie to have a hope had he been the nominee. At this point I guess you could betray the party and take your ball and go home, refusing to support the winner of a contest because your guy didn't win, even though the contest was to decide who you should all collectively support. But rather than take your ball and go home you're instead deciding to stage a collective protest that is doing nothing but embarrassing your own candidate who is doing everything he can to get you all to go home at this point. You need to invest in a mirror and then go take a long hard look at yourself in it. It's hard to accept both the idea that Republican leadership is anti-Trump but Trump still represents "the other side" This shit isn't binary no matter how hard they try to ram that concept down our throats. What are your thoughts on Bernie asking people to not do what you're doing? Or they or whoever. Can't tell if you're actually at the convention or not. I think they were trying to pull his speaking slot (is the unreliable chatter) I've heard. But I don't think many people care. If they did we wouldn't have seen what we already did. This, like I said, was the best day. They have progressively less progressives for the rest of the week. BTW, I'm not there but I am texting with people on the floor and outside. You think he only asked people to stop protesting because the DNC said they'd take his speaking spot otherwise? No, just said that was being speculated. I imagine Bernie made many deals based on the behavior of his delegates, but he said weeks ago that it's not as simple as telling them to unite. Other speculation suggests he did it to intentionally whip his supporters up so that they made it abundantly clear that not even Bernie can get people to unite under Hillary. Even if the media has been telling us the PUMA's were so much more anti-Obama. and a larger faction of the party than these Bernie delegates represent. I can't get inside his head, but I can assure you people aren't going to stop just because politicians tell them to, even if it's Bernie. Enough is enough, and people aren't settling for Hillary. So after the convention, let's say, theoretically, Clinton walks out as the nominee and Bernie has given a full on endorsement and begins campaigning for Clinton. What is the next step?
Campaigning for the most progressive candidates we can find from school board to president.
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True that; plenty of time, and plenty of material to work with. And probably best not to use the A material yet anyways; save that for when people are paying attention.
Though I wish we could just ban all political ads; they're soooo boring and annoying.
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On July 26 2016 08:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Campaigning for the most progressive candidates we can find from school board to president.
Isn't that the plan either way? Dems needed to start pushing out entrenched Republicans at the local level years ago.
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