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On July 08 2016 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
On July 08 2016 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
you aren't wrong, black issues are disproportionately represented in the media relative to their population and media culture distorts things.
but this isn't a concerted effort by liberals to drum up support for themselves.
conservatives who dislike "black culture" have ages-old memes of "black on black violence kills way more than police on black" to divert things back to their own narrative too
everyone has their memes to redirect conversation to exactly how they wanna talk about things
and nobody actually ends up talking with each other, just repeating their memes to reinforce their own positions
On July 08 2016 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
Wait. So you are not from the US, but you believe the media is biased about an environment you do not live in or have firsthand experience with?
the black people themselves are exacerbating** the problems sometimes, yes, but its not to promote the liberal agenda, it's because they're emotionally responding to an emotionally harrowing situation
On July 08 2016 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
you aren't wrong, black issues are disproportionately represented in the media relative to their population and media culture distorts things.
but this isn't a concerted effort by liberals to drum up support for themselves.
conservatives who dislike "black culture" have ages-old memes of "black on black violence kills way more than police on black" to divert things back to their own narrative too
everyone has their memes to redirect conversation to exactly how they wanna talk about things
and nobody actually ends up talking with each other, just repeating their memes to reinforce their own positions
Yes that is why we have to look at facts. Like is this narative of cops being prone to killing innocent and unarmed black people true to reallity or not? I did see in a lot of places that according to numbers, this is not the case.
When police kill a white guy it's presumed by us whities that they get that they fucked up and probably can't cover it up and that they'll take it seriously (often wrongly and naively) because everyone knows you can't just kill one of us (unless he was homeless or whatever but the homeless are basically honorary blacks). We trust the system because the system generally treats us pretty well. When the police kill a black guy and the police go "trust the system, I'm sure it'll get to the bottom of this and justice will be served", well, the black community have heard that one before. So they make a big deal out of it because they've learned that quietly letting the police police themselves is consent to police abuse of power.
That's why the media show things disproportionately. The difference is the degree to which the different communities trust the system and given two very different experiences of the system that makes perfect sense.
On July 08 2016 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
Wait. So you are not from the US, but you believe the media is biased about an environment you do not live in or have firsthand experience with?
On July 08 2016 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
you aren't wrong, black issues are disproportionately represented in the media relative to their population and media culture distorts things.
but this isn't a concerted effort by liberals to drum up support for themselves.
conservatives who dislike "black culture" have ages-old memes of "black on black violence kills way more than police on black" to divert things back to their own narrative too
everyone has their memes to redirect conversation to exactly how they wanna talk about things
and nobody actually ends up talking with each other, just repeating their memes to reinforce their own positions
Yes that is why we have to look at facts. Like is this narative of cops being prone to killing innocent and unarmed black people true to reallity or not? I did see in a lot of places that according to numbers, this is not the case.
i dunno what your baseline for it being a problem is, but it happening at all is too much for my tastes.
if you're gonna talk about numbers please actually take the time to find them so people can evaluate your evidence
as a non-liberal, i don't talk about this kinda stuff to promote liberals winning seats in congress or political power or whatever... i just want better hiring practices and training of cops
if you haven't watched the video of the aftermath of the shooting of philando castile, please do... + Show Spoiler +
note the cop's total panic... someone who shoots someone calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet should not be given this position of power
Racial agitation is a big revenue generator for the media. No one wants to see white rubes at truck stops getting shot by police. Need to devote all coverage to white cops killing black men, not the hispanic/black cops who do it more often.
On July 09 2016 00:03 zulu_nation8 wrote: Racial agitation is a big revenue generator for the media. No one wants to see white rubes at truck stops getting shot by police. Need to devote all coverage to white cops killing black men, not the hispanic/black cops who do it more often.
you're the first one in the last two pages to bring up the issue of the race of the cops
On July 09 2016 00:03 zulu_nation8 wrote: Racial agitation is a big revenue generator for the media. No one wants to see white rubes at truck stops getting shot by police. Need to devote all coverage to white cops killing black men, not the hispanic/black cops who do it more often.
you're the first one in the last two pages to bring up the issue of the race of the cops
It was also stated in the video GoTunk linked, an interesting listen, learned a lot i didn't know about these kind of issue's.
well anyway, my issue with police isn't that they're racist, it's that they have a lot of trigger happy idiots who are trained more to feel scared and defend themselves than to find a way to resolve a situation with the least amount of death
they shoot when they feel legitimately scared for their lives, yes... but a lot of that time that fear turns out to be pretty ridiculous in retrospect, and it's their training that tells them to be vigilant of lethal force that has them overestimate the amount of situations where they're actually threatened with lethal force
On July 08 2016 22:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
you aren't wrong, black issues are disproportionately represented in the media relative to their population and media culture distorts things.
but this isn't a concerted effort by liberals to drum up support for themselves.
conservatives who dislike "black culture" have ages-old memes of "black on black violence kills way more than police on black" to divert things back to their own narrative too
everyone has their memes to redirect conversation to exactly how they wanna talk about things
and nobody actually ends up talking with each other, just repeating their memes to reinforce their own positions
Yes that is why we have to look at facts. Like is this narative of cops being prone to killing innocent and unarmed black people true to reallity or not? I did see in a lot of places that according to numbers, this is not the case.
i dunno what your baseline for it being a problem is, but it happening at all is too much for my tastes.
if you're gonna talk about numbers please actually take the time to find them so people can evaluate your evidence
as a non-liberal, i don't talk about this kinda stuff to promote liberals winning seats in congress or political power or whatever... i just want better hiring practices and training of cops
if you haven't watched the video of the aftermath of the shooting of philando castile, please do... + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKWWU8rBsfA
note the cop's total panic... someone who shoots someone calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet should not be given this position of power
I will indeed provide the numbers when i have a bit more time.
I dont understand why you think it wouldn't be a problem. Given how much the media focuses on this issue (and as I said, in my opinion they created a hysteria among black people) don't you think it would matter if it was true or not? I am not saying that these things dont happen and that there aren't lots of dirty cops, but if you pick out a few individual cases that fit your narative and dont report on the rest, then it is easy to paint whatever picture you want. Intentional or not.
On July 09 2016 00:07 kapibara-san wrote: well anyway, my issue with police isn't that they're racist, it's that they have a lot of trigger happy idiots who are trained more to feel scared and defend themselves than to find a way to resolve a situation with the least amount of death
they shoot when they feel legitimately scared for their lives, yes... but a lot of that time that fear turns out to be pretty ridiculous in retrospect, and it's their training that tells them to be vigilant of lethal force that has them overestimate the amount of situations where they're actually threatened with lethal force
I agree with you but how does this also not apply to whites or any person (on the shooting side of the gun)?
1. Cops killed nearly twice as many whites as blacks in 2015. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force," according to MacDonald in a speech at Hillsdale College.
Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 12 percent of the population. But as MacDonald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.
"Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force," writes MacDonald.
MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.
"The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods."
Which is what I wasted hours trying to get across yesterday but ran into idiots who couldn't math.
4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Gary Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.
On July 08 2016 22:29 Danglars wrote: [quote]The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
you aren't wrong, black issues are disproportionately represented in the media relative to their population and media culture distorts things.
but this isn't a concerted effort by liberals to drum up support for themselves.
conservatives who dislike "black culture" have ages-old memes of "black on black violence kills way more than police on black" to divert things back to their own narrative too
everyone has their memes to redirect conversation to exactly how they wanna talk about things
and nobody actually ends up talking with each other, just repeating their memes to reinforce their own positions
Yes that is why we have to look at facts. Like is this narative of cops being prone to killing innocent and unarmed black people true to reallity or not? I did see in a lot of places that according to numbers, this is not the case.
i dunno what your baseline for it being a problem is, but it happening at all is too much for my tastes.
if you're gonna talk about numbers please actually take the time to find them so people can evaluate your evidence
as a non-liberal, i don't talk about this kinda stuff to promote liberals winning seats in congress or political power or whatever... i just want better hiring practices and training of cops
if you haven't watched the video of the aftermath of the shooting of philando castile, please do... + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKWWU8rBsfA
note the cop's total panic... someone who shoots someone calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet should not be given this position of power
I will indeed provide the numbers when i have a bit more time.
I dont understand why you think it wouldn't be a problem. Given how much the media focuses on this issue (and as I said, in my opinion they created a hysteria among black people) don't you think it would matter if it was true or not? I am not saying that these things dont happen and that there aren't lots of dirty cops, but if you pick out a few individual cases that fit your narative and dont report on the rest, then it is easy to paint whatever picture you want. Intentional or not.
it doesn't matter to my specific views when my specific issue is with the cops themselves and not their treatment of race and my solution is to better hire and train cops themselves without any focus on race
i don't like the black hysteria either... i think a lot of their effort is counterproductive... but i'm dodging that issue because i don't know exactly how to deal with it
on the other hand, i do have a good idea of how to reduce shitty cop violence and unjustified extrajudicial killings, which is to train cops better and enforce 3rd party investigation in issues of extrajudicial killings rather than allow self-investigation
On July 09 2016 00:07 kapibara-san wrote: well anyway, my issue with police isn't that they're racist, it's that they have a lot of trigger happy idiots who are trained more to feel scared and defend themselves than to find a way to resolve a situation with the least amount of death
they shoot when they feel legitimately scared for their lives, yes... but a lot of that time that fear turns out to be pretty ridiculous in retrospect, and it's their training that tells them to be vigilant of lethal force that has them overestimate the amount of situations where they're actually threatened with lethal force
I agree with you but how does this also not apply to whites or any person (on the shooting side of the gun)?
it does, i'm not the one saying it only matters when its black
i'm not defending media portrayal, i've continually agreed with you that media portrayal is flawed
On July 08 2016 22:29 Danglars wrote: [quote]The government is after you is from the right side of the aisle. The cops are after you is from the left side of the aisle.
nah the left side is just "cops are prone to shooting unarmed black people and we need to reform them to not do that as much"
thats not the kind of reasoning that leads people to shoot cops nearly as much as "the state's out of control"
You couldn't have been more clear. The left thinks that COPS are prone to shooting unarmed black people. That's an amount of agreement I was not expecting. I wonder what kind of atmosphere you create when you only cite victims of police shootings as "unarmed black people?"
When you connect cop-hate to a generic hate of government, you're letting your own partisan worldview be the primary constructor of your conclusions. It's as predictable as Obama pointing to the power of the weapons and gun control overtones in his first address following the attack.
This is how you ensure minority votes if you are a liberal. By creating a hysteria in media and dividing people.
pretty sure trump's been doing more of that
and you've got the causation backwards, the minorities (which you're unfairly generalizing, it's literally just blacks in this case) start "causing hysteria" over their feeling of victimization (which doesn't seem entirely unjustified) and liberals seem to respond in a more supportive way than conservatives do.
the people have always been divided. the liberals are not the ones doing the dividing.
but why am i arguing the realities of american culture with a croatian
Just an outsider perspective. I do think the media played a huge role in all that is happening to day and that they did favor a biased approach as to how blacks are treated in the USA.
you aren't wrong, black issues are disproportionately represented in the media relative to their population and media culture distorts things.
but this isn't a concerted effort by liberals to drum up support for themselves.
conservatives who dislike "black culture" have ages-old memes of "black on black violence kills way more than police on black" to divert things back to their own narrative too
everyone has their memes to redirect conversation to exactly how they wanna talk about things
and nobody actually ends up talking with each other, just repeating their memes to reinforce their own positions
Yes that is why we have to look at facts. Like is this narative of cops being prone to killing innocent and unarmed black people true to reallity or not? I did see in a lot of places that according to numbers, this is not the case.
i dunno what your baseline for it being a problem is, but it happening at all is too much for my tastes.
if you're gonna talk about numbers please actually take the time to find them so people can evaluate your evidence
as a non-liberal, i don't talk about this kinda stuff to promote liberals winning seats in congress or political power or whatever... i just want better hiring practices and training of cops
if you haven't watched the video of the aftermath of the shooting of philando castile, please do... + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKWWU8rBsfA
note the cop's total panic... someone who shoots someone calmly announcing he was reaching for his wallet should not be given this position of power
I will indeed provide the numbers when i have a bit more time.
I dont understand why you think it wouldn't be a problem. Given how much the media focuses on this issue (and as I said, in my opinion they created a hysteria among black people) don't you think it would matter if it was true or not? I am not saying that these things dont happen and that there aren't lots of dirty cops, but if you pick out a few individual cases that fit your narative and dont report on the rest, then it is easy to paint whatever picture you want. Intentional or not.
This isn't a new narrative, this isn't new hysteria. Black and brown people have been saying this stuff forever and no one believed them. Told them they were full of shit, blowing things out of proportion, maybe they deserved it, etc. Now everyone is seeing they weren't just making this up. This has always been going on and now with cellphones you're finally seeing it. This is the boiling over of something that has been going on forever and that people refused to address. It's just harder to turn a blind eye to it now when its in your face black and white clear as day in 4K quality from someone's pocket.
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