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On July 08 2016 21:53 farvacola wrote:
The backtracking that's happening on my Facebook is unreal this morning. Many of the same people who posted memes that basically threatened armed uprising should the government pass gun control measures are now bending over backwards to assert that the killing of police was not what they had in mind. Fuckin idiots.
Humanity was able to handle the atomic bomb and chemical warfare. But I am convinced that social media might be the doom of us all. I don’t think we were ready collectively think out loud in meme format all the time.
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On July 08 2016 21:54 Velr wrote:
Why do they send in a bomb and not somehow capture him? Wtf...
I was originally going to say that aswell, why not gas him? But the danger of him doing something wild in his desperation is significant. Especially if you think it is possible he may have had bombs hidden.
These people were clearly not clueless amateurs so they played it safe and went for the kill strait away.
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On July 08 2016 21:54 Velr wrote:
Why do they send in a bomb and not somehow capture him? Wtf...
He claimed to have explosives and to have rigged charges, from reports.
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Jesus fucking christ....
What the hell is going on over there?? You have real social issues... Add shitloads of guns, and idiots from all denominations looking to exploit a narrative they prefer... stir.... and you have this shit.
Unbelievable. How are you so hamstrung from action?
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What does "hamstrung from action" mean?
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On July 08 2016 21:57 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 21:54 Velr wrote:
Why do they send in a bomb and not somehow capture him? Wtf... I was originally going to say that aswell, why not gas him? But the danger of him doing something wild in his desperation is significant. Especially if you think it is possible he may have had bombs hidden. These people were clearly not clueless amateurs so they played it safe and went for the kill strait away.
AFAIK, gas is a really poor method of neutralizing people because dosing is pretty much impossible to manage. Too fine of a line between killing someone and mildly annoying them.
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That Americans see themselves as individual Rambos i.e. The Government is after them etc.
Which isn't far from the truth if you think about it.
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Is it perverse for me to want to see the video? I mean I want to see the whole thing, like the negotiations too. at least some non-tactical stuff.
What does "Upset about black lives matter" mean?
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On July 08 2016 21:53 farvacola wrote:
The backtracking that's happening on my Facebook is unreal this morning. Many of the same people who posted memes that basically threatened armed uprising should the government pass gun control measures are now bending over backwards to assert that the killing of police was not what they had in mind. Fuckin idiots.
Yup that backtracking is on my wall too. All the preemptive threats of insurrection due to 2nd Amendment rights being quelled (lol) are now being qualified and reworded with "But only against the bad cops". As if the bad officers don't wear the same uniform as the good ones. Sigh.
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Yeah the media confused about that Statement as well some clarification will be needed.
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On July 08 2016 22:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Yeah the media confused about that Statement as well some clarification will be needed.
Curious they mentioned that he "wanted to kill white cops" Mentioned they had a light skinned black girl just before the conference, and haven't said anything about snipers or what weapons have been recovered.
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None of this is good. I saw an interview with a woman talking about the unrest in the 60s and how she believed that we had collectively moved beyond that to a better time. And that now she wasn’t sure about that any more. That as some point we just stopped listening.
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On July 08 2016 22:17 Plansix wrote:None of this is good. I saw an interview with a woman talking about the unrest in the 60s and how she believed that we had collectively moved beyond that to a better time. And that now she wasn’t sure about that any more. That as some point we just stopped listening.
listening to what?
hope its not a vague, idealistic answer like "reason" or "empathy"
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The U.S economy added 287,000 jobs in June, according to the monthly report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
That far exceeds projections. Analysts had expected the economy to add some 170,000 jobs.
Economists were paying particularly close attention to this report after the economy added just 38,000 jobs in May. That figure was seen as "shockingly low," as we reported.
The unemployment rate increased by 0.2 percentage points to 4.9 percent, according to the Bureau. "These increases largely offset declines in May and brought both measures back in line with levels that had prevailed from August 2015 to April," according to the report.
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On July 08 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 22:17 Plansix wrote:None of this is good. I saw an interview with a woman talking about the unrest in the 60s and how she believed that we had collectively moved beyond that to a better time. And that now she wasn’t sure about that any more. That as some point we just stopped listening. listening to what? hope its not a vague, idealistic answer like "reason" or "empathy"
No it's like they signed the civil rights act and said "phew, glad we fixed racism".
Also WTF I swear I'm hallucinating all this.
Last night’s horrific execution-style shootings of 12 Dallas law enforcement officers – five of whom were killed and seven wounded - is an attack on our country. It is a coordinated, premeditated assault on the men and women who keep us safe.
We must restore law and order. We must restore the confidence of our people to be safe and secure in their homes and on the street.
The senseless, tragic deaths of two motorists in Louisiana and Minnesota reminds us how much more needs to be done.
This morning I offer my thoughts and prayers for all of the victims’ families, and we pray for our brave police officers and first responders who risk their lives to protect us every single day.
Our nation has become too divided. Too many Americans feel like they’ve lost hope. Crime is harming too many citizens. Racial tensions have gotten worse, not better. This isn’t the American Dream we all want for our children.
This is a time, perhaps more than ever, for strong leadership, love and compassion. We will pull through these tragedies. -Donald Trump* forgot that part.
Well I guess I gave him to much credit at first in that Alton wasn't a "motorist" but still it's not like the people he's appealing to with that will notice.
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On July 08 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 22:17 Plansix wrote:None of this is good. I saw an interview with a woman talking about the unrest in the 60s and how she believed that we had collectively moved beyond that to a better time. And that now she wasn’t sure about that any more. That as some point we just stopped listening. listening to what? hope its not a tautological answer like "reason" or "empathy"
Mostly to warnings, experts, historians, each other. People have been talking about these growing issues for a decade. Not just race relations. Guns, mass discontent with government. Part of stability is people having faith in the system.
But these are abstract thoughts and musings. Not really productive in the current discussion. I just noted that a lot people have been equating the current unrest to the issues in the 60s a lot recently.
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On July 08 2016 22:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 22:18 kapibara-san wrote:On July 08 2016 22:17 Plansix wrote:None of this is good. I saw an interview with a woman talking about the unrest in the 60s and how she believed that we had collectively moved beyond that to a better time. And that now she wasn’t sure about that any more. That as some point we just stopped listening. listening to what? hope its not a vague, idealistic answer like "reason" or "empathy" No it's like they signed the civil rights act and said "phew, glad we fixed racism".
more like they were like "alright maybe people will shut up about it now"
lets not pretend congresspeople ever felt compelled to comprehensively solve these kinds of problems... they were just responding to momentary political pressure like they always do (in addition to monetary political pressure heh)
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Ok I know I'm really tired now, but indulge my tin foil for a second then I'll leave you alone.
Technically this was the first drone bombing of a US citizen on US soil. Theoretically couldn't this have been authorized by Obama as a matter of national security which could keep the real details secret indefinitely?
I don't think this is what happened I'm just curious if it's possible in my delirium
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