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On July 08 2016 20:58 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 20:51 zeo wrote:On July 08 2016 20:41 m4ini wrote:
You're right with one thing though: the officer did a costly mistake there. I'm not criticising that, or saying i would've done it differently - but rewatching this without the pressure of having a gun pointed at me, armchairing it: he was completely overwhelmed, possibly shocked. I don't think any cop would've expected that something like this could and/or would happen. Not in this scale. Mate, look at the arc he takes after going around the piller and the distance he keeps from the cop. People without any training under fire from multiple positions do not engage armed opposition that quickly in that manner, I don't care how brave you are. In any case we will find out during the next few hours exactly who these guys were and what background they have. After rewatching it multiple times, i might actually be wrong. I'm not convinced, but i start to wonder if he mistepped on purpose. Which btw, again, wouldn't be military training, but would mean he knew exactly what he was doing there. Where i do disagree: he neither "took an arc", nor did he pivot. What you describe as "arc" is simply necessity because he's using a long barreled weapon. Sidenote: i never said i'm brave. "Brave" people are the first ones to die in actual combat. That's also something you'd learn in military.
What I'm sayin is he was doing things that might seem like instinct but are not something just anyone would do in a life or death situation. For instance, fake left, go right. It might seem ok in your backyard, but in a life or death situation it takes lots of training to override your instincts and do things properly and outmaneuver someone.
When I say arc I mean the way he moves after coming around the piller and shooting the cop, his trajectory means that he is moving away from the cop in an arc, makes sure he is dead, then moves in. This is not something you do out of basic instinct.
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On July 08 2016 21:08 kapibara-san wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 21:03 Wegandi wrote:On July 08 2016 20:56 kapibara-san wrote:On July 08 2016 20:51 travis wrote:On July 08 2016 12:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 12:51 travis wrote:On July 08 2016 12:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 12:40 travis wrote:On July 08 2016 12:32 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 12:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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I think that the racial tension and the "us vs. them" mentality existed long before the recent movement was coined as Black Lives Matter. Based on the history of violence and oppression aimed towards blacks in this country, it's pretty much *always* been "us vs. them", and it's been 100% caused by the oppressors and privileged people, not the blacks.
10,000 times this^ It's always been us vs them police have never not been like this. This is actually the best they've ever behaved, even though people act like this started when the videos started showing up. do you think it's way worse for black males than females? Than *white* females? I think there's plenty of prejudice and oppression to go around unfortunately, and I know that women are constantly afraid of being alone in certain areas/ getting raped/ kidnapped, which I'd imagine is a comparable fear to black men constantly being afraid of cops/ assumed by others to be dangerous or unfriendly. Certainly one difference, however, is that women might feel safer around cops, while black men might feel less worried about being messed with? All I can say is that I'm happy that I'm a white male. no im talking about discrimination black males face in comparison to discrimination black females face liek for example, i get the suspicion it's much much more dangerous in regards to police to be a black male than a black female GH is black right? that's why i asked him Women are less likely to be killed but are often rape victims. Take the tendency to not believe rape victims, the tendency to believe cops, and the low value of black women in society, and you have a perfect victim. Black women have it hard, it doesn't really matter which is worse to me, so I would just default to it being them since they are so constantly treated like trash, scratch that, trash has well regulated and protected space in America. my wife is black and while she does have race related fear of certain things (like cops), I can say that there has been 0 actual race related problems since I have been with her. Which is odd for a problem that is supposed to be so *incredibly* rampant. you don't think being with a white guy all the time naturally reduces problems for her? also geographical location? people who generalize their personal experience to the entire U.S. always seem to fail to realize how wide and diverse the country really is ofc the shit that happened in minnesota and louisiana today wouldn't ever happen in my hometown in the south bay, bay area doesnt mean its not a problem I assume your "hometown" is San Fran or some suburbs of it? LOL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Oscar_GrantIgnorant people. you're the one flaunting your ignorance for not even bothering to look up the geography of the bay area and assuming the east bay and the south bay are equatable that's like looking at a shooting in compton and assuming beverly hills is full of gun violence
I see, so you're saying that the police generally don't kill rich people who are more likely to donate to politicians, so the politico's got their back (which means, police don't mess with that area). The poorer folk and common folk, well, tough shit. God damn the lack of empathy.
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You would be surprised by how people can react on life or dead situations. There is some training, but i wouldn't really talk much about the perpetrators background from what we had seen until we get more information, specially since there are plenty things that would qualify as "training" for what he did.
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On July 08 2016 21:12 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 21:08 kapibara-san wrote:On July 08 2016 21:03 Wegandi wrote:On July 08 2016 20:56 kapibara-san wrote:
you don't think being with a white guy all the time naturally reduces problems for her? also geographical location?
people who generalize their personal experience to the entire U.S. always seem to fail to realize how wide and diverse the country really is
ofc the shit that happened in minnesota and louisiana today wouldn't ever happen in my hometown in the south bay, bay area
doesnt mean its not a problem I assume your "hometown" is San Fran or some suburbs of it? LOL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Oscar_GrantIgnorant people. you're the one flaunting your ignorance for not even bothering to look up the geography of the bay area and assuming the east bay and the south bay are equatable that's like looking at a shooting in compton and assuming beverly hills is full of gun violence I see, so you're saying that the police generally don't kill rich people who are more likely to donate to politicians, so the politico's got their back (which means, police don't mess with that area). The poorer folk and common folk, well, tough shit. God damn the lack of empathy.
can you reread my post to travis and realize i was saying that he shouldn't be generalizing his experience, which is the exact point you're making?
you're really making yourself look dumb for your egregious misinterpretation of my post
here i'll requote it here
you don't think being with a white guy all the time naturally reduces problems for her? also geographical location?
people who generalize their personal experience to the entire U.S. always seem to fail to realize how wide and diverse the country really is
ofc the shit that happened in minnesota and louisiana today wouldn't ever happen in my hometown in the south bay, bay area
doesnt mean its not a problem
i'm baffled by how bad you are at reading. failing to take the time to understand the intent of someone's words is an indication of lack of empathy. furthermore, a certain amount of self-awareness will indicate that anger, the emotion you're displaying in your words right now, is almost defined by a reduction in capacity for empathy. when people get angry, they care less about how others feel. for the record, i was brought to tears for the first time in a very long time after watching the video of philando castile.
simultaneously, you're missing travis's point entirely about how the media reporting of and constant massmedia arguing over dramatic events causes our minds to find them representative on a disproportionate level, distorting our views of the entire situation by making it seem more dire all around.
maybe you should learn to actually read before further engaging in this thread... you need to be able to read to be able to engage anyone meaningfully.
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The suspect didn't commit suicide. They killed him with a robot with a bomb attached.
Not making that up.
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Kind of OT: But this would mark the first Robotic casualty in a domestic terrorist action?
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I am not prepared for the reality where swat teams are assisted by robots that explode. But at least its over.
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On July 08 2016 21:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Kind of OT: But this would mark the first Robotic casualty in a domestic terrorist action?
What do you mean by "Robotic casualty"?
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Considering the dangers of trying to flush him out or rush him it seems like a decent solution.
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On July 08 2016 21:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 21:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Kind of OT: But this would mark the first Robotic casualty in a domestic terrorist action? What do you mean by "Robotic casualty"?
The robot is presumably blown up aswell so it is the first robot casualty.
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More like the first robotic martyr.
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On July 08 2016 21:44 Plansix wrote:
I am not prepared for the reality where swat teams are assisted by robots that explode. But at least its over.
It's not though, there's still two people in custody, another listed on their twitter as a suspect (despite being released from their custody) the one known shooter said they acted alone according to the police.
And they are saying "if someones out there we will find you" referred to as "suspects"
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On July 08 2016 21:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 21:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Kind of OT: But this would mark the first Robotic casualty in a domestic terrorist action? What do you mean by "Robotic casualty"?
SWAT teams could not confront the shooter without being a severe disadvantage so they attached a bomb to a robot that went to the door and detonated that also killed the suspect. The Robot destroyed itself and killed the suspect.
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On July 08 2016 21:48 Gorsameth wrote:
Considering the dangers of trying to flush him out or rush him it seems like a decent solution.
It just gets us one step closer to the dark, cyberpunk dystopia we all knew was coming. Though I think it will look more like minority report than blade runner.
But joking aside, seems like the safest route.
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On July 08 2016 21:48 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 21:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 21:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Kind of OT: But this would mark the first Robotic casualty in a domestic terrorist action? What do you mean by "Robotic casualty"? The robot is presumably blown up aswell so it is the first robot casualty.
Ah okay 
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The backtracking that's happening on my Facebook is unreal this morning. Many of the same people who posted memes that basically threatened armed uprising should the government pass gun control measures are now bending over backwards to assert that the killing of police was not what they had in mind. Fuckin idiots.
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widow mines op
How do those robots work?
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Why do they send in a bomb and not somehow capture him? Wtf...
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On July 08 2016 21:54 Velr wrote:
Why do they send in a bomb and not somehow capture him? Wtf...
The shooter might have been cornered but also had a clearer point of view that SWAT teams thus they sent in the robot with a bomb.
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