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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
June 24 2016 19:05 GMT
#82501
til game theory is absurd
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23173 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 19:09:53
June 24 2016 19:09 GMT
#82502
On June 25 2016 04:05 Rebs wrote:
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On June 25 2016 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:41 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:22 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:15 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 02:55 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 02:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]

You supported the wrong candidate if you wanted anything more than some lip service on campaign finance reform. Also if you want to avoid more pointless wars. You picked the biggest supporter of the Iraq war you had to choose from, and the one who is already been a big advocate for sending more soldiers to Afghanistan and keeping more soldiers like your brother in Iraq.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but if that's actually what you wanted, you most certainly backed the wrong candidate.


Its ok, you can get Drumpf and teach America a lesson. The I told you saw is always worth it.


If Drumpf wins, Hillary has no one to blame but herself and her supporters. Trying to put it on others is silly.


yeah, and I didnt say that, I said that you can have that one on your unconscious for NOT supporting her and being complicit in getting a Drumpf.

At the end of the day you still have a choice to make and a do nothing choice is just as bad as voting the bad guy. Or the worse guy whatever floats your boat.

You are confusing being petulant as being principled. I believe they say things to the effect of get your head out of your ass in these sorts of instances.


The options aren't limited to "vote for Hillary", "vote for Drumpf", "do nothing". That's just a matter of fact, so if that could be the last time that false argument is put forward that would be great.


Im sorry, what were the other option's again? For my benefit, if you will please


Support candidates I agree with more than Hillary. That everyone else thinks you have to vote for a Dem or Rep is a problem that doesn't get fixed by perpetuating it. Nader isn't the reason Gore lost (not sure if that myth is still alive here).

Gore was calling for paying down the debt with the social security fund, cutting taxes, and increasing military spending. All things that have all but vanished from the Democratic platform. Acting like supporting someone who doesn't win is "doing nothing" is preposterous.



Ok so option 3 then, thank you. Good luck.


I'm not stopping people from realizing they don't have to support Hillary to prevent Drumpf from winning. That's a choice they make. If Democrats rallied behind Bernie he'd win in a landslide, I tried to get people to see that, and that millions wont support Clinton (rightly or not) so if she loses it's on her, not on people who actually voted for someone/something they believe in instead of being held hostage by the parties.

I honestly can't believe left leaning folks are making the argument that you have to support the party's pick while simultaneously saying the right should stand up for their principles and not support their party's pick. It's laughable.


Im sorry, at no point have I suggested that the right shouldn't support their party's pick. Please dont ascribe me to said left leaning folks. Thank you

The way I see your point is you are basically saying I didnt get things my way so fuck it based on this ill conceived notion that someone who couldnt even win his parties nomination would win a general election. And its everyones fault for not doing things the way you wanted them to. Again that is petulance not principal.

We get it, you can stop it now I apologize for raising the subject I was not aware that had been beaten to death.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 04:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 04:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:41 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:22 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:15 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]

If Drumpf wins, Hillary has no one to blame but herself and her supporters. Trying to put it on others is silly.


yeah, and I didnt say that, I said that you can have that one on your unconscious for NOT supporting her and being complicit in getting a Drumpf.

At the end of the day you still have a choice to make and a do nothing choice is just as bad as voting the bad guy. Or the worse guy whatever floats your boat.

You are confusing being petulant as being principled. I believe they say things to the effect of get your head out of your ass in these sorts of instances.


The options aren't limited to "vote for Hillary", "vote for Drumpf", "do nothing". That's just a matter of fact, so if that could be the last time that false argument is put forward that would be great.


Im sorry, what were the other option's again? For my benefit, if you will please


Support candidates I agree with more than Hillary. That everyone else thinks you have to vote for a Dem or Rep is a problem that doesn't get fixed by perpetuating it. Nader isn't the reason Gore lost (not sure if that myth is still alive here).

Gore was calling for paying down the debt with the social security fund, cutting taxes, and increasing military spending. All things that have all but vanished from the Democratic platform. Acting like supporting someone who doesn't win is "doing nothing" is preposterous.



Ok so option 3 then, thank you. Good luck.


I'm not stopping people from realizing they don't have to support Hillary to prevent Drumpf from winning. That's a choice they make. If Democrats rallied behind Bernie he'd win in a landslide, I tried to get people to see that, and that millions wont support Clinton (rightly or not) so if she loses it's on her, not on people who actually voted for someone/something they believe in instead of being held hostage by the parties.

I honestly can't believe left leaning folks are making the argument that you have to support the party's pick while simultaneously saying the right should stand up for their principles and not support their party's pick. It's laughable.


How many times do you intend to make this exact same post? Do you need us to quote the other times you've said this so that you can understand we heard you? What can we do to make you feel like we are listening to you?


However many times people are going to make the absurd assertion that not voting for Hillary is the equivalent of doing nothing?


because practically speaking, it is.



Yeah, so we can agree to disagree then. I mean history is full of "losers" who changed things because their supporters didn't just acquiesce to the "winner" but if people want to perpetuate the "do nothing" myth I'm going to refute it every time, it doesn't have to drag out though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 24 2016 19:10 GMT
#82503
On June 25 2016 02:10 Rebs wrote:
The UK is the one thats going to get stung hard. Whatever, with all due respect to my former colonial masters, this will atleast serve as a good example of why nationalistic blowhards are actually full of shit.

Yeah, fuck sovereignty! Everyone should just remain in their rightful place and obey the whims of a foreign government because change hurts the financial markets.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 24 2016 19:15 GMT
#82504
Legallord -> it's not a foreign government; the EU was created by its member states, and has representatives from all of them involved in its decision-making processes.

voting -> just another deontology vs consequentialist argument, yawn.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 19:20:51
June 24 2016 19:18 GMT
#82505
On June 25 2016 04:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 04:05 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:41 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:22 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:15 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 02:55 Rebs wrote:
[quote]

Its ok, you can get Drumpf and teach America a lesson. The I told you saw is always worth it.


If Drumpf wins, Hillary has no one to blame but herself and her supporters. Trying to put it on others is silly.


yeah, and I didnt say that, I said that you can have that one on your unconscious for NOT supporting her and being complicit in getting a Drumpf.

At the end of the day you still have a choice to make and a do nothing choice is just as bad as voting the bad guy. Or the worse guy whatever floats your boat.

You are confusing being petulant as being principled. I believe they say things to the effect of get your head out of your ass in these sorts of instances.


The options aren't limited to "vote for Hillary", "vote for Drumpf", "do nothing". That's just a matter of fact, so if that could be the last time that false argument is put forward that would be great.


Im sorry, what were the other option's again? For my benefit, if you will please


Support candidates I agree with more than Hillary. That everyone else thinks you have to vote for a Dem or Rep is a problem that doesn't get fixed by perpetuating it. Nader isn't the reason Gore lost (not sure if that myth is still alive here).

Gore was calling for paying down the debt with the social security fund, cutting taxes, and increasing military spending. All things that have all but vanished from the Democratic platform. Acting like supporting someone who doesn't win is "doing nothing" is preposterous.



Ok so option 3 then, thank you. Good luck.


I'm not stopping people from realizing they don't have to support Hillary to prevent Drumpf from winning. That's a choice they make. If Democrats rallied behind Bernie he'd win in a landslide, I tried to get people to see that, and that millions wont support Clinton (rightly or not) so if she loses it's on her, not on people who actually voted for someone/something they believe in instead of being held hostage by the parties.

I honestly can't believe left leaning folks are making the argument that you have to support the party's pick while simultaneously saying the right should stand up for their principles and not support their party's pick. It's laughable.


Im sorry, at no point have I suggested that the right shouldn't support their party's pick. Please dont ascribe me to said left leaning folks. Thank you

The way I see your point is you are basically saying I didnt get things my way so fuck it based on this ill conceived notion that someone who couldnt even win his parties nomination would win a general election. And its everyones fault for not doing things the way you wanted them to. Again that is petulance not principal.

We get it, you can stop it now I apologize for raising the subject I was not aware that had been beaten to death.

On June 25 2016 04:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 04:00 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:41 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:22 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2016 03:15 Rebs wrote:
[quote]

yeah, and I didnt say that, I said that you can have that one on your unconscious for NOT supporting her and being complicit in getting a Drumpf.

At the end of the day you still have a choice to make and a do nothing choice is just as bad as voting the bad guy. Or the worse guy whatever floats your boat.

You are confusing being petulant as being principled. I believe they say things to the effect of get your head out of your ass in these sorts of instances.


The options aren't limited to "vote for Hillary", "vote for Drumpf", "do nothing". That's just a matter of fact, so if that could be the last time that false argument is put forward that would be great.


Im sorry, what were the other option's again? For my benefit, if you will please


Support candidates I agree with more than Hillary. That everyone else thinks you have to vote for a Dem or Rep is a problem that doesn't get fixed by perpetuating it. Nader isn't the reason Gore lost (not sure if that myth is still alive here).

Gore was calling for paying down the debt with the social security fund, cutting taxes, and increasing military spending. All things that have all but vanished from the Democratic platform. Acting like supporting someone who doesn't win is "doing nothing" is preposterous.



Ok so option 3 then, thank you. Good luck.


I'm not stopping people from realizing they don't have to support Hillary to prevent Drumpf from winning. That's a choice they make. If Democrats rallied behind Bernie he'd win in a landslide, I tried to get people to see that, and that millions wont support Clinton (rightly or not) so if she loses it's on her, not on people who actually voted for someone/something they believe in instead of being held hostage by the parties.

I honestly can't believe left leaning folks are making the argument that you have to support the party's pick while simultaneously saying the right should stand up for their principles and not support their party's pick. It's laughable.


How many times do you intend to make this exact same post? Do you need us to quote the other times you've said this so that you can understand we heard you? What can we do to make you feel like we are listening to you?


However many times people are going to make the absurd assertion that not voting for Hillary is the equivalent of doing nothing?


because practically speaking, it is.



Yeah, so we can agree to disagree then. I mean history is full of "losers" who changed things because their supporters didn't just acquiesce to the "winner" but if people want to perpetuate the "do nothing" myth I'm going to refute it every time, but it doesn't have to drag out.


The problem is you see it as a zero sum game with winners and losers when you are on the same side. You dont have to be the one on the podium to be a winner.

You are a winner through getting the reform you want or atleast some of the reform you want if not everything + Show Spoiler +
(because that is impractical)
by working with the winner and leveraging your support.

But you dont want to do that, you want all the toys and you want to pick the toys too and buy them with someone elses money, rather than share the toys and pay for them together while accepting that the other person paid more so they will own more of the toys. Otherwise you are going throw them all out the pram.

+ Show Spoiler [ Personal anecdote] +
Bernie is typical of so many political "revolutionaries" in the third world that I have witnessed who over reached the popularity of their message and then instead of working toward using that popularity to reform even if it was just a few things. Instead of picking a few battles you can win and work toward winning the war, you want to win a war you cant now and end up whine about the battlefield being loaded with booby trapped only on your side instead of accepting that you just werent that strong. Its so disappointing really.


TMagpie
Profile Joined June 2015
265 Posts
June 24 2016 19:19 GMT
#82506
There was a time when voting meant being part of the government building process. Now it seems to be about being able to prove you're more extremist than your peers. It's sad that sandernistas has tainted things so bad.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 24 2016 19:20 GMT
#82507
Don't worry Rebs I'll vote for Trump, you can vote for Hillary, Green can vote for whoever he wants to, and the world will keep spinning.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 19:25:45
June 24 2016 19:21 GMT
#82508
On June 25 2016 04:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Don't worry Rebs I'll vote for Drumpf, you can vote for Hillary, Green can vote for whoever he wants to, and the world will keep spinning.


Im not voting for anyone, I cant vote. So im not that worried honestly, Im Canadian, naturalized anyway. I already said he can vote for who he wants but if he is going to refute something it had better make sense.

And honestly if it is as you say, you should feel comfortable leaving this thread and not voicing your opinion on anything related to the election. Just vote for Drumpf and let the world spin. Follow your own advice before you recommend it to me
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 24 2016 19:25 GMT
#82509
On June 25 2016 04:21 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 04:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Don't worry Rebs I'll vote for Drumpf, you can vote for Hillary, Green can vote for whoever he wants to, and the world will keep spinning.


Im not voting for anyone, I cant vote. So im not that worried honestly, Im Canadian, naturalized anyway. I already said he can vote for who he wants but if he is going to refute something it had better make sense.

And honestly if it is as you say, you should feel comfortable leaving this thread and not voicing your opinion on anything related to the election. The world will keep spinning after all.



LOL you edited my Trump into a Drumf that's gold.

Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 19:36:25
June 24 2016 19:27 GMT
#82510
On June 25 2016 04:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 04:21 Rebs wrote:
On June 25 2016 04:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Don't worry Rebs I'll vote for Drumpf, you can vote for Hillary, Green can vote for whoever he wants to, and the world will keep spinning.


Im not voting for anyone, I cant vote. So im not that worried honestly, Im Canadian, naturalized anyway. I already said he can vote for who he wants but if he is going to refute something it had better make sense.

And honestly if it is as you say, you should feel comfortable leaving this thread and not voicing your opinion on anything related to the election. The world will keep spinning after all.



LOL you edited my Drumpf into a Drumf that's gold.



Its an addon in the browser. I dont do anything. I actually just type T R U M P. I almost forgot I had it. It just picks up anything trump (its smart doesnt change lower case) and changes it I just thought it was funny at the time, now I dont care.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5535 Posts
June 24 2016 19:27 GMT
#82511
On June 25 2016 03:49 zlefin wrote:
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On June 25 2016 03:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think both parties will have ceased to exist as we know it after this election. It's been a real game-changer for both of them.


I disagree; while the Republican party may change considerably as it realigns its base, platform, and goals somewhat; the Democrats always had a progressive wing, and Sanders views really aren't that different from say Warren's; so I think the Dems won't change that much.

on voting: I say just let people vote as they deem best; there's plenty of reasonable arguments to support all sorts of votes.

I agree with this, the lasting effect of the election on the Republican side will probably be much bigger given that their shake-up candidate is the one who won the nomination and the majority of Democrats polled have a satisfactory view of the party.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 24 2016 19:27 GMT
#82512
On June 25 2016 04:15 zlefin wrote:
Legallord -> it's not a foreign government; the EU was created by its member states, and has representatives from all of them involved in its decision-making processes.

voting -> just another deontology vs consequentialist argument, yawn.


The extra layer of governance is another reason people don't like the EU. Just like the Federal Government in America, there are a lot of people who prefer decisions to be more local. Also, the EU, quite frankly, doesn't provide the civil rights guarantees that the US Federal government does, nor the national defense so its existence (as opposed to a simple free-trade, freedom of movement treaty zone) is of dubious value to any country.
Freeeeeeedom
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 24 2016 19:36 GMT
#82513
On June 25 2016 04:27 cLutZ wrote:
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On June 25 2016 04:15 zlefin wrote:
Legallord -> it's not a foreign government; the EU was created by its member states, and has representatives from all of them involved in its decision-making processes.

voting -> just another deontology vs consequentialist argument, yawn.


The extra layer of governance is another reason people don't like the EU. Just like the Federal Government in America, there are a lot of people who prefer decisions to be more local. Also, the EU, quite frankly, doesn't provide the civil rights guarantees that the US Federal government does, nor the national defense so its existence (as opposed to a simple free-trade, freedom of movement treaty zone) is of dubious value to any country.

I can certainly understand that; I only objected to him calling it "foreign"
I know EU-level there are some human/civil rights laws, which member states are supposed to adopt; it certainly doesn't have much power to actually enforce it though; not sure what the effects on the ground have been.
I agree there's no national defense need for it, as NATO does that already.
As to locality: a very understandable position; there's value to doing some thing locally, especially when there's more regional variation in ethics/viewpoints. There are also certain advantages to doing some things at a larger level; finding the right level for everything is hard.

Though I do find that the quality of small jurisdictions (i.e. towns <100k people) is often quite spotty. Local politics often seems to feature poor quality, perhaps simply because the number of candidates is small, especially in a democracy. (whereas in a technocratic hiring system you'd be able to draw on a larger pool of talent to fill positions in a town).

Also, I suspect that it's often better to have multiple levels involved all at once, in ways that let them each spot/deal with problems that may arise from other levels. i.e. having multiple levels serve a checks & balances purpose.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23173 Posts
June 24 2016 19:43 GMT
#82514
On June 25 2016 04:19 TMagpie wrote:
There was a time when voting meant being part of the government building process. Now it seems to be about being able to prove you're more extremist than your peers. It's sad that sandernistas has tainted things so bad.


Some of us don't want to be a part of ClintonCorp even if she pretends she'll accomplish more "moderate" versions of what we want. She represents a relationship between politician and voter that we fundamentally disagree with, most recently demonstrated in the "vote for her or else you're doing nothing" arguments.

The demographics are not in either party's favor. The younger demo is overwhelmingly supportive of what Bernie was saying and not just the stuff they may age out of believing, but deeper fundamental aspects of how we do things as a country and on the left within the Dem party. ClintonCorp can ignore us, belittle us, call us "extreme", or kick us out, but none of those end with us supporting ClintonCorp. Clinton spent her whole life building this moment and Trump may or may not be able to take it away, but we (or our ideals) won't be pawns to be sacrificed on the altar of Moo's Goddess so she can win an election.

I get that most people's political imagination was killed in it's crib, but not all of us are consigned to things as they are.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 20:05:16
June 24 2016 19:59 GMT
#82515
On June 25 2016 04:19 TMagpie wrote:
There was a time when voting meant being part of the government building process. Now it seems to be about being able to prove you're more extremist than your peers. It's sad that sandernistas has tainted things so bad.

the last guy to use that word as well as taking a shot at sanders supporters got banned 90 days.
© Current year.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
June 24 2016 20:12 GMT
#82516
On June 25 2016 04:59 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 04:19 TMagpie wrote:
There was a time when voting meant being part of the government building process. Now it seems to be about being able to prove you're more extremist than your peers. It's sad that sandernistas has tainted things so bad.

the last guy to use that word as well as taking a shot at sanders supporters got banned 90 days.

With good reason; the notion that Sanders supporters have somehow poisoned the political well is utter nonsense.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15664 Posts
June 24 2016 20:16 GMT
#82517
On June 25 2016 05:12 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 04:59 CorsairHero wrote:
On June 25 2016 04:19 TMagpie wrote:
There was a time when voting meant being part of the government building process. Now it seems to be about being able to prove you're more extremist than your peers. It's sad that sandernistas has tainted things so bad.

the last guy to use that word as well as taking a shot at sanders supporters got banned 90 days.

With good reason; the notion that Sanders supporters have somehow poisoned the political well is utter nonsense.


I think it is, however, fair to say that anger has poisoned the political well. Not all the anger this year is from Trump. We can be impassioned, committed voters without anger and stubbornness.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 20:57:27
June 24 2016 20:43 GMT
#82518
Don't shit on Bernie, at least he is a good guy with good intentions. I agree a lot with him on his social issues. Hillary is despicable to me. Hell, i might even have considered voting for bernie if i thought he had any shot.
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
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Last Edited: 2016-06-24 20:51:32
June 24 2016 20:50 GMT
#82519
On June 25 2016 05:16 Mohdoo wrote:
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On June 25 2016 05:12 farvacola wrote:
On June 25 2016 04:59 CorsairHero wrote:
On June 25 2016 04:19 TMagpie wrote:
There was a time when voting meant being part of the government building process. Now it seems to be about being able to prove you're more extremist than your peers. It's sad that sandernistas has tainted things so bad.

the last guy to use that word as well as taking a shot at sanders supporters got banned 90 days.

With good reason; the notion that Sanders supporters have somehow poisoned the political well is utter nonsense.


I think it is, however, fair to say that anger has poisoned the political well. Not all the anger this year is from Trump. We can be impassioned, committed voters without anger and stubbornness.


Its the policys who created all this anger,the policys and acting of the politicians themselves that have poisoned the political well.
This needs to be realized before there is any chance of bridging the gap between Washington and the man in the street.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-24 20:54:05
June 24 2016 20:53 GMT
#82520
On June 25 2016 05:43 SolaR- wrote:
Don't shit on Bernie, at least he is a good guy with good intentions. I agree with a lot with him on his social issues. Hillary is despicable to me. Hell, i might even have considered voting for bernie if i think he had any shot.


I don't really know if he's a good guy. In fact I'd argue against it. Just because he's been consistent doesn't mean he's good. It's easy to take a position that sounds moral and just keep repeating it. I'm not saying he doesn't have any points though.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
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