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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 19 2016 00:31 GMT
#81661
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
June 19 2016 00:31 GMT
#81662
Trump accused him of siding with extremism because he's more concerned with attacking Trump and fighting 'islamophobia' after a violent terrorist attack than the perpetrators of the attack and islamoterrorism which is an actual problem.


Where did he say that?

Because the last time i checked, literally all he said was "i let people figure it out, i'm just saying". Thanks in advance for linking the source in your next post.
On track to MA1950A.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 19 2016 00:37 GMT
#81663
On June 19 2016 07:03 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 06:49 Danglars wrote:
On June 19 2016 06:09 Introvert wrote:
There was a story (don't remember where I saw it) that GOP donors (and Reince) were even more wary after Trump made moves towards NY and CA. He's only shooting himself in the foot.

There was another story that he has like 30 on staff for the entire country? Forget flipping states, he's going to get crushed at this point.

But don't expect a change in tone from Trump. The man is 70, this is who he is. And in terms of campaigning... he doesn't have some other GOP contender to beat up on. The full brunt of what he says falls squarely back on himself. No more foils.

His ground game has been inept: we saw that when Cruz snatched delegates and committee seats. I however understand not winning over GOP donors and Reince. The donor class gave us previous iterations of comprehensive immigration reform which was the betrayal giving Trump so much steam. I've wished Reince would resign and let a real leader (I'll take a marginally better leader given the times) take his place ever since his mismanagement of the debates. That being said, Trump could've done a much better job making a principled case for his positions to drum up support from reluctant donors or the right edge of GOP donors. He hasn't. Even his response to the Orlando shooting was dissapointing, I'm with Cruz's focus from the Senate floor+ Show Spoiler [response] +

. Energize base, solicit donations, run with it against a weak Democratic candidate. And for the love of God, give conservatives some reason to vote for you besides immigration and tax policy, please Trump.



It's because Trump has no principles. That became obvious to me late last year. And now he wants to reach Bernie people but not, say, Cruz people. Oh, and he endorsed Elmers in NC because she endorsed him.

There was a story or two (I don't know how accurate) that Trump never intended to actually win the nomination. He didn't plan for any of this, and he has no desire to start. I would say it's silly but I'm watching it happen.

I agree with the criticisms of GOP immigration donor base and Priebus, but all Trump has done is give them cover with his recent antics. Remember when Paul Manafort told GOP people that Trump would start acting more presidential? Trump came out and axed that idea. I don't think Trump cares enough to try and win. When he loses he'll just blame the party so the failure of his will be someone else's fault.

That senate speech is the type of thing Trump should have done, not taking congratulations while claiming to not take congratulations.


EDit:

Hey, look!

Show nested quote +
Donald Trump continues to diverge with the rest of the GOP on issues of gun control, reaffirming in an interview to air Sunday that those on the terror watch list shouldn't be able to buy guns.

"We have to make sure that people that are terrorists or have even an inclination toward terrorism cannot buy weapons, guns," the presumptive Republican nominee said in an interview to air Sunday on "This Week."
When asked if his position is that those on the terror watch list shouldn't be able to purchase a gun, Trump responded, "I'd like to see that, and I'd like to say it. And it's simpler. It's just simpler."


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284017-trump-says-those-on-terror-watch-list-should-be-barred
He's doing himself no favors on gun control. Obama and the rest from day one connected the terrorist attack to attacking second amendment rights for law-abiding citizens. In the minds of GOP voters, that's one more compromise Trump's now willing to make for the art of the deal.

Trump first addressed the Orlando massacre. "What happened was an assault on our country; it was an assault on the gay community," he said. He also said the mass shooting was not about guns; it was about terrorism.

The hot topic issue of immigration came up next. "We want people to come into our country...legally, legally," Trump said.

Trump made an appeal to female voters, saying, "We want women for Trump!"

He promised to bring jobs back, cut taxes and repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. He also pledged to knock out Common Core.
AZ

He might already be rescinding the goof.

On June 19 2016 07:38 oBlade wrote:
He only needs to scrape by electorally, which I think will be possible if the team (or him) at some level accepts it, even if not publicly. He doesn't need to win the popular vote; that is, CA and IL and NY could pile 100% against him and it doesn't matter. That's where national polling can mislead.

Here's my starting point: http://www.270towin.com/maps/5LbyE I think those 12 gray/light states are the most likely ones that right not we can't be sure how they'll end up voting. But it'll change also, depending on where the G.E. campaigns start to take off, for example, MI could be more competitive than NJ. There are a couple states that should come in pairs if a candidate won the "harder" one of them. Like if he got NJ, I'd also expect him to pick up PA, and I wouldn't expect him to win VA but lose NC, but that's not set in stone. In 2000 GWB managed with Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, and New Hampshire. Trump's clearest win would be getting PA and FL (big states, doesn't even need VA, he can also lose NC and replace it with CO+NM and make it). It's uphill for him of course, but I think it'll be quite close.

I don't think it's accurate to say this was ever about the Trump brand or whatever. Ben Carson was definitely doing a book tour, but Trump has been thinking about this forever, maybe longer than HRC has (if anyone thought that was even possible):
+ Show Spoiler +



You can ignore the soundtrack and the obvious message of support, the point is he may have a huge ego, but he's not running just to run.

Everybody I've talked to from NJ hates Trump for Atlantic City business. All these hopes are too far-out looking at things right now. I'm more looking at something like RCP's map and the fight of his life even in states Bush won easily.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 19 2016 00:40 GMT
#81664
California is now the sixth largest economy in the world, surpassing France thanks to a robust state economy and the strength of the U.S. dollar.

California was the world's eighth-largest economy as of last year, according to Irena Asmundson, chief economist of the California Department of Finance.

"California did exceptionally well in 2015," said Asmundson. "Lots of sectors did well."

California is home to diverse strong economies, including Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Manufacturing has performed well, as has the agriculture sector, despite a severe drought, said Asmundson.

The nation's most populous state has outpaced the rest of the U.S. on job growth. Its gross state product was $2.46 trillion, with 4.1 percent of state growth this year in real terms, according to the state's finance department.

Nationally, gross domestic product grew by 2.4 percent in 2015. Growth slowed to 0.8 percent in the first quarter of 2016.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 19 2016 00:44 GMT
#81665
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 19 2016 00:46 GMT
#81666
On June 19 2016 09:31 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
Trump accused him of siding with extremism because he's more concerned with attacking Trump and fighting 'islamophobia' after a violent terrorist attack than the perpetrators of the attack and islamoterrorism which is an actual problem.


Where did he say that?

Because the last time i checked, literally all he said was "i let people figure it out, i'm just saying". Thanks in advance for linking the source in your next post.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

I just googled 'washington post trump obama orlando' wasn't too hard.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 00:57:38
June 19 2016 00:56 GMT
#81667
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.

<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 19 2016 00:58 GMT
#81668
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 04:53 Doodsmack wrote:
Let's talk about whether Trump's insinuation that Obama was on the side of the Orlando attacker was accidental. And whether the media put those words in his mouth as part of their leftist spin.


I don't think it's even debatable.

The W. Post wrote a headline accusing Trump of saying Obama was literally involved.

Trump did no such thing.

Trump accused him of siding with extremism because he's more concerned with attacking Trump and fighting 'islamophobia' after a violent terrorist attack than the perpetrators of the attack and islamoterrorism which is an actual problem.

It's assbackwards and the W. Post is a joke to begin with. Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.


Do you realize the problem with the bolded part
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5583 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 01:02:09
June 19 2016 00:59 GMT
#81669
On June 19 2016 09:37 Danglars wrote:
Everybody I've talked to from NJ hates Trump for Atlantic City business. All these hopes are too far-out looking at things right now. I'm more looking at something like RCP's map and the fight of his life even in states Bush won easily.

It's definitely not the most likely state to be competitive for him, but he doesn't need it to win anyway. But RCP's map doesn't even follow their own polls. Graying Michigan and Georgia? It's not in the evidence so far that Clinton and Trump are in any danger there. AZ is a red staple and I don't see evidence yet that would reverse that, not sure why NH is marked toss-up either.

On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.


But nobody's taking their right to publish - in fact, they've promised to cover Trump even more.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 01:04:00
June 19 2016 01:00 GMT
#81670
On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.



One is literal censorship, the other is revoking a press pass for incompetence in journalism.

How is that even remotely similar?

Does celebs weekly deserve a press pass if they want to write about the election? Is it censorship if they are denied one?

Cmon be smart and fair here even if you don't like trump that's a joke of an argument
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 19 2016 01:01 GMT
#81671
On June 19 2016 09:58 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 04:53 Doodsmack wrote:
Let's talk about whether Trump's insinuation that Obama was on the side of the Orlando attacker was accidental. And whether the media put those words in his mouth as part of their leftist spin.


I don't think it's even debatable.

The W. Post wrote a headline accusing Trump of saying Obama was literally involved.

Trump did no such thing.

Trump accused him of siding with extremism because he's more concerned with attacking Trump and fighting 'islamophobia' after a violent terrorist attack than the perpetrators of the attack and islamoterrorism which is an actual problem.

It's assbackwards and the W. Post is a joke to begin with. Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.


Do you realize the problem with the bolded part


You can bring a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 19 2016 01:04 GMT
#81672
On June 19 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.



One is literal censorship, the other is revoking a press pass for incompetence in journalism.

How is that even remotely similar?

Does celebs weekly deserve a press pass if they want to right about the election? Is it censorship if we deny them?

Cmon be smart and fair here even if you don't like trump that's a joke of an argument


the guy is literally running for president. What if they're not allowed in the White House anymore if he so happens to win?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 19 2016 01:04 GMT
#81673
As someone who lives near NH, it does not surprise me at all that its marked a toss up. Not at all.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 19 2016 01:05 GMT
#81674
On June 19 2016 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.



One is literal censorship, the other is revoking a press pass for incompetence in journalism.

How is that even remotely similar?

Does celebs weekly deserve a press pass if they want to right about the election? Is it censorship if we deny them?

Cmon be smart and fair here even if you don't like trump that's a joke of an argument


the guy is literally running for president. What if they're not allowed in the White House anymore if he so happens to win?


Not everyone is entitled to be allowed into the White House.

Are you paranoid of him revoking free press in America and seizing control in a tyrannical government?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 19 2016 01:06 GMT
#81675
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

and their headline is accurate; donald trump did suggest/imply a connection. He didn't state it; but he made a clear implication; less so with orlando specifically than that Obama is in league with terrorists generally. He intentionally made the statement vague and open to multiple interpretations, leaving room to imply that, while being able to claim he was saying something more innocuous.

If you don't consider it a source of legitimate journalism, then your sense of journalism detection seems poor to me. As there's more than enough other analyses to reasonably determine that Washing Post is legitimate journalism.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 01:09:50
June 19 2016 01:07 GMT
#81676
On June 19 2016 10:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.



One is literal censorship, the other is revoking a press pass for incompetence in journalism.

How is that even remotely similar?

Does celebs weekly deserve a press pass if they want to right about the election? Is it censorship if we deny them?

Cmon be smart and fair here even if you don't like trump that's a joke of an argument


the guy is literally running for president. What if they're not allowed in the White House anymore if he so happens to win?


Not everyone is entitled to be allowed into the White House.

Are you paranoid of him revoking free press in America and seizing control in a tyrannical government?


You said you think of WaPo as an attack-site. I'd say the same about most far right-wing media out there. Take Breitbart as an example. That's easily worse when it comes to bias and yet I'd still want them to get a press pass if they want to do their "journalism" no matter how much I don't like it

and come on... comparing it to Celebs weekly...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-19 01:12:04
June 19 2016 01:10 GMT
#81677
On June 19 2016 10:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.



One is literal censorship, the other is revoking a press pass for incompetence in journalism.

How is that even remotely similar?

Does celebs weekly deserve a press pass if they want to right about the election? Is it censorship if we deny them?

Cmon be smart and fair here even if you don't like trump that's a joke of an argument


the guy is literally running for president. What if they're not allowed in the White House anymore if he so happens to win?


Not everyone is entitled to be allowed into the White House.

Are you paranoid of him revoking free press in America and seizing control in a tyrannical government?

Yep. That how it starts. There are no rules that say the press has to be given access to the white house. He could just close down the press briefing room. And I have zero doubt in my mind he would and only only allow press to access the white house if he approved of their coverage.

Breitbart gets a press pass. Vanity Fair gets one too. They would give on to Play Boy if they asked. They revoke the press passes for people, not entire news agencies.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 19 2016 01:10 GMT
#81678
On June 19 2016 10:01 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On June 19 2016 09:58 Doodsmack wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 04:53 Doodsmack wrote:
Let's talk about whether Trump's insinuation that Obama was on the side of the Orlando attacker was accidental. And whether the media put those words in his mouth as part of their leftist spin.


I don't think it's even debatable.

The W. Post wrote a headline accusing Trump of saying Obama was literally involved.

Trump did no such thing.

Trump accused him of siding with extremism because he's more concerned with attacking Trump and fighting 'islamophobia' after a violent terrorist attack than the perpetrators of the attack and islamoterrorism which is an actual problem.

It's assbackwards and the W. Post is a joke to begin with. Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.


Do you realize the problem with the bolded part


You can bring a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.


I'll pretend that made sense.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 19 2016 01:12 GMT
#81679
On June 19 2016 10:07 Toadesstern wrote:
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On June 19 2016 10:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.



One is literal censorship, the other is revoking a press pass for incompetence in journalism.

How is that even remotely similar?

Does celebs weekly deserve a press pass if they want to right about the election? Is it censorship if we deny them?

Cmon be smart and fair here even if you don't like trump that's a joke of an argument


the guy is literally running for president. What if they're not allowed in the White House anymore if he so happens to win?


Not everyone is entitled to be allowed into the White House.

Are you paranoid of him revoking free press in America and seizing control in a tyrannical government?


You said you think of WaPo as an attack-site. I'd say the same about most far right-wing media out there. Take Breitbart as an example. That's easily worse when it comes to bias and yet I'd still want them to get a press pass if they want to do their "journalism" no matter how much I don't like it


Disagreements aside about which is better at controlling for bias, does Breitbart even have the same press passes W. Post does?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 19 2016 01:12 GMT
#81680
On June 19 2016 10:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2016 10:07 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 10:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 10:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 19 2016 09:31 zlefin wrote:
W Post isn't a joke last I checked; it has its biases, but it's still a credible and decent place of journalism.
Do you have a quote of the exact headline the Post used? Trump certainly implied Obama may have been involved iirc


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/13/donald-trump-suggests-president-obama-was-involved-with-orlando-shooting/

You decide if that's a fair interpretation of what Trump was saying.

I consider it a website of campaign attack-ads, not a legitimate source of journalism.

kind of hilarious comming from the right side considering all the shit about facebook and how censoring media is intolerable.
But the other way around is just fine. Ban them all if you don't like what they write~
On June 19 2016 09:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[...] Good riddance getting their press pass revoked.



One is literal censorship, the other is revoking a press pass for incompetence in journalism.

How is that even remotely similar?

Does celebs weekly deserve a press pass if they want to right about the election? Is it censorship if we deny them?

Cmon be smart and fair here even if you don't like trump that's a joke of an argument


the guy is literally running for president. What if they're not allowed in the White House anymore if he so happens to win?


Not everyone is entitled to be allowed into the White House.

Are you paranoid of him revoking free press in America and seizing control in a tyrannical government?


You said you think of WaPo as an attack-site. I'd say the same about most far right-wing media out there. Take Breitbart as an example. That's easily worse when it comes to bias and yet I'd still want them to get a press pass if they want to do their "journalism" no matter how much I don't like it


Disagreements aside about which is better at controlling for bias, does Breitbart even have the same press passes W. Post does?

Yes.
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