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On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote: This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.
Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.
Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.
Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.
Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.
A massive fuck up.
What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.
EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.
EDIT2: Bernie has abandoned running for a win in pledged delegates. Bernie is not explicitly running to try and get the Supers to overturn the results of the elections and make him the winner despite losing. I am sure all the shit Bernie talked about the Supers, the DNC, and Democrats in general will really help him make this pitch.
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote: This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.
Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.
Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.
Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.
Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.
A massive fuck up.
What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.
EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.
There is a difference between reporting a poll and calling an election. Surely you can see the difference.
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote: This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.
Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.
Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.
Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.
Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.
A massive fuck up.
What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.
EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.
There is a difference between reporting a poll and calling an election. Surely you can see the difference.
The facts are that they added up Supers (via polls and calls) and Pledgeds, and those two together put HRC over the line. It would take a herculean amount of spin to turn the basic facts into something that didn't call the eventual result. They are calling her the "presumptive" nominee which contains a qualifier. I think that is good enough.
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote: This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.
Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.
Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.
Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.
Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.
A massive fuck up.
She won before California, its not a conspiracy, just the canidate with more votes and delegates won
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote: This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.
Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.
Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.
Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.
Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.
A massive fuck up.
What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.
EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.
There is a difference between reporting a poll and calling an election. Surely you can see the difference.
The facts are that they added up Supers (via polls and calls) and Pledgeds, and those two together put HRC over the line. It would take a herculean amount of spin to turn the basic facts into something that didn't call the eventual result. They are calling her the "presumptive" nominee which contains a qualifier. I think that is good enough.
Rationalize it away all you want. The fact remains that this is a big time fuck up. Just watch how the Sandernistas respond.
It was a huge mistake for him not to attack her on the emails early on. He tried to look good for taking the moral highground but it just backfired because he ended up looking weak and Clinton attacked him for going too hard on her anyways.
On June 07 2016 10:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Sanders simply just didn't fight hard enough.
It was a huge mistake for him not to attack her on the emails early on. He tried to look good for taking the moral highground but it just backfired because he ended up looking weak and Clinton attacked him for going too hard on her anyways.
Yep. To the extent that he had a chance to win, this is where he messed up.
If Sanders really wanted to hit Clinton where it hurt he would have hit her on her association with Robert Byrd KKK member prior to the southern primaries pasting that picture of her kissing him on the cheek next to the photo of him in his KKK uniform.
And hitting her defense of the child rapist she knew was guilty in the audio recording of her as a lawyer in court as going against everything she says to be 'for women'.
If Trump did anything like this the media and the left would never let you heard the end of it. Democrat though? Oh it's fine.
She literally laughs about the destruction of evidence and how she knew he mistakenly passed the polygraph test he should have failed and victim-blamed the child.
Those are where he lost bigtime, women and minorities. He simply refused to attack her just like he refused to do anything about those BLM hooligans hijacking his rally. Weakness is no good for the leader of the country I want someone who will stand up for me not give in to pressure because it's the 'moral highground' position.
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote: This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.
How exactly is calling the primary for Hillary supposed to imply the "mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary"? Please explain your thought process here. If anything, and as Axelrod noted, Hillary would have preferred for the race to be called after tomorrow's primaries, since it would coincide with her victory speech and since one could argue the call could lead part of her voting base to stay home tomorrow. I mean, there is no logical or factual basis whatsoever to your idea that calling the race now indicates the media is in the tank for her. It's just more of the usual nonsensical knee-jerk whining about "ze media".
Also, Stealthblue, by tomorrow Clinton will have a reached a majority of the overall number of pledged delegates, a majority of superdelegates, and a majority of the popular vote. Under which metric would it not be perfectly justified to call her the presumptive nominee?
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.
I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
I think you're overreacting. There is still A LOT of time between now and the election. It won't be long before Obama and Sanders himself start campaigning for Clinton and against Trump. They have a lot of time to rally the base. This is the one time of the election where the losers are always feeling disenfranchised. That's why they do this in June rather than October.
Man the delusion from Sanders supporters is real. Most of them will fall in line with their parties candidate, and most of the bernieorbust crowd already voted third party or not at all. And Trump is still the biggest reason Clinton is going to win.
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.
I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
... The ap calling the election will make you vote 3rd party?
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.
I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.
I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
Doesn't that kind of mean the wound in the Democrats would be wider than the one in the Republicans?
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.
I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.
This, unless Clinton starts massively sucking off Sander's voters she's in for a very rude awakening come election day.
this is just petty given the serious problems facing the country. not just hillary, but any democrat president needs to appeal to some republicans to make government work, and that should be accepted as fact by democrats. try to carve at the gop's fissures and draw out the responsible elements.
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.
I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.
This, unless Clinton starts massively sucking off Sander's voters she's in for a very rude awakening come election day.
Yeah just like Obama was in for a rude awakening due to Clinton supporters in 2008.
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.
I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.
This, unless Clinton starts massively sucking off Sander's voters she's in for a very rude awakening come election day.
Yeah just like Obama was in for a rude awakening due to Clinton supporters in 2008.
If you think Clinton has the same appeal as Obama I don't know that I can help you.
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