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CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 01:24:48
June 07 2016 01:20 GMT
#79241
On June 07 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote:
This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.


Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.

Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.

Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.


Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.

A massive fuck up.


What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.

EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.

EDIT2: Bernie has abandoned running for a win in pledged delegates. Bernie is not explicitly running to try and get the Supers to overturn the results of the elections and make him the winner despite losing. I am sure all the shit Bernie talked about the Supers, the DNC, and Democrats in general will really help him make this pitch.

Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 07 2016 01:23 GMT
#79242
On June 07 2016 10:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote:
This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.


Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.

Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.

Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.


Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.

A massive fuck up.


What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.

EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.

There is a difference between reporting a poll and calling an election. Surely you can see the difference.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 01:24:55
June 07 2016 01:24 GMT
#79243
Let's be realistic. There's no world in which Clinton doesn't lock up the nomination today.

Sanders is mathematically eliminated from locking it up regardless of how these primaries turn out.
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
June 07 2016 01:27 GMT
#79244
On June 07 2016 10:23 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote:
This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.


Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.

Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.

Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.


Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.

A massive fuck up.


What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.

EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.

There is a difference between reporting a poll and calling an election. Surely you can see the difference.


The facts are that they added up Supers (via polls and calls) and Pledgeds, and those two together put HRC over the line. It would take a herculean amount of spin to turn the basic facts into something that didn't call the eventual result. They are calling her the "presumptive" nominee which contains a qualifier. I think that is good enough.
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 07 2016 01:29 GMT
#79245
On June 07 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote:
This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.


Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.

Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.

Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.


Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.

A massive fuck up.

She won before California, its not a conspiracy, just the canidate with more votes and delegates won
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 07 2016 01:30 GMT
#79246
On June 07 2016 10:27 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:23 xDaunt wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:20 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:07 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote:
This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.


Couldn't someone argue the race should have been called after Indiana? This whole thing has been a matter of form rather than purpose for a while.

Edit: Can't help but wonder if this Brock shithead will help Clinton's votes tomorrow.

Calling it based upon the polling of super delegates --- not their actual votes --- before all of the primaries is done is bullshit. I think that the media (and DNC whom I am sure is complicit in this) have made a huge mistake. Hillary needs to bring Bernie supporters into the tent, not antagonize them further.


Yeah people just to brush off what Chris Matthews said a while ago that they would declare her the nominee before California polls closed but this seals it.

A massive fuck up.


What is AP supposed to do? They polled the Supers and added up the Pledgeds. The results said Clinch. Should AP suppress their own research to protect Sandernistas sensibilities? AP can't ethically hide news just because they want to keep the Berner spirits up.

EDIT: and that there is an upcoming election is all the MORE reason to reveal information. Hiding information before an election is deeply unethical for a news organization.

There is a difference between reporting a poll and calling an election. Surely you can see the difference.


The facts are that they added up Supers (via polls and calls) and Pledgeds, and those two together put HRC over the line. It would take a herculean amount of spin to turn the basic facts into something that didn't call the eventual result. They are calling her the "presumptive" nominee which contains a qualifier. I think that is good enough.

Rationalize it away all you want. The fact remains that this is a big time fuck up. Just watch how the Sandernistas respond.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 07 2016 01:31 GMT
#79247
Sanders simply just didn't fight hard enough.

It was a huge mistake for him not to attack her on the emails early on. He tried to look good for taking the moral highground but it just backfired because he ended up looking weak and Clinton attacked him for going too hard on her anyways.

xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 07 2016 01:35 GMT
#79248
On June 07 2016 10:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Sanders simply just didn't fight hard enough.

It was a huge mistake for him not to attack her on the emails early on. He tried to look good for taking the moral highground but it just backfired because he ended up looking weak and Clinton attacked him for going too hard on her anyways.


Yep. To the extent that he had a chance to win, this is where he messed up.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 01:37:55
June 07 2016 01:35 GMT
#79249
If Sanders really wanted to hit Clinton where it hurt he would have hit her on her association with Robert Byrd KKK member prior to the southern primaries pasting that picture of her kissing him on the cheek next to the photo of him in his KKK uniform.

And hitting her defense of the child rapist she knew was guilty in the audio recording of her as a lawyer in court as going against everything she says to be 'for women'.

If Trump did anything like this the media and the left would never let you heard the end of it. Democrat though? Oh it's fine.



She literally laughs about the destruction of evidence and how she knew he mistakenly passed the polygraph test he should have failed and victim-blamed the child.

Those are where he lost bigtime, women and minorities. He simply refused to attack her just like he refused to do anything about those BLM hooligans hijacking his rally. Weakness is no good for the leader of the country I want someone who will stand up for me not give in to pressure because it's the 'moral highground' position.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 07 2016 01:36 GMT
#79250
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-07 01:40:21
June 07 2016 01:37 GMT
#79251
On June 07 2016 10:04 xDaunt wrote:
This is funny to see how badly the mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary. What a bullshit call of the primary.

How exactly is calling the primary for Hillary supposed to imply the "mainstream media is in the tank for Hillary"? Please explain your thought process here. If anything, and as Axelrod noted, Hillary would have preferred for the race to be called after tomorrow's primaries, since it would coincide with her victory speech and since one could argue the call could lead part of her voting base to stay home tomorrow. I mean, there is no logical or factual basis whatsoever to your idea that calling the race now indicates the media is in the tank for her. It's just more of the usual nonsensical knee-jerk whining about "ze media".

Also, Stealthblue, by tomorrow Clinton will have a reached a majority of the overall number of pledged delegates, a majority of superdelegates, and a majority of the popular vote. Under which metric would it not be perfectly justified to call her the presumptive nominee?
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 07 2016 01:38 GMT
#79252
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.


I think you're overreacting. There is still A LOT of time between now and the election. It won't be long before Obama and Sanders himself start campaigning for Clinton and against Trump. They have a lot of time to rally the base. This is the one time of the election where the losers are always feeling disenfranchised. That's why they do this in June rather than October.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 07 2016 01:38 GMT
#79253
Man the delusion from Sanders supporters is real. Most of them will fall in line with their parties candidate, and most of the bernieorbust crowd already voted third party or not at all. And Trump is still the biggest reason Clinton is going to win.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 07 2016 01:39 GMT
#79254
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.

... The ap calling the election will make you vote 3rd party?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
June 07 2016 01:39 GMT
#79255
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.


I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6454 Posts
June 07 2016 01:39 GMT
#79256
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.

Doesn't that kind of mean the wound in the Democrats would be wider than the one in the Republicans?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
June 07 2016 01:42 GMT
#79257
On June 07 2016 10:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.


I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.


This, unless Clinton starts massively sucking off Sander's voters she's in for a very rude awakening come election day.
LiquidDota Staff
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
June 07 2016 01:47 GMT
#79258
this is just petty given the serious problems facing the country. not just hillary, but any democrat president needs to appeal to some republicans to make government work, and that should be accepted as fact by democrats. try to carve at the gop's fissures and draw out the responsible elements.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 07 2016 01:47 GMT
#79259
On June 07 2016 10:42 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.


I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.


This, unless Clinton starts massively sucking off Sander's voters she's in for a very rude awakening come election day.

Yeah just like Obama was in for a rude awakening due to Clinton supporters in 2008.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
June 07 2016 01:48 GMT
#79260
On June 07 2016 10:47 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 10:42 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 07 2016 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The irony in all of this us this now screws even more as Sander supporters will either stay home or go third party.

I can honestly see this being how Clinton loses against Trump.


I predict most of the first-time Sanders supporters, especially young ones, lose interest in the election entirely and don't even vote.


This, unless Clinton starts massively sucking off Sander's voters she's in for a very rude awakening come election day.

Yeah just like Obama was in for a rude awakening due to Clinton supporters in 2008.


If you think Clinton has the same appeal as Obama I don't know that I can help you.
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