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On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
Should the FBI not recommend an indictment of Hillary Clinton following its investigation of the setup of her private email server, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Monday said he and his Republican colleagues would "probably" accept the outcome.
"Oh, probably, because we do believe in [FBI Director] James Comey," the Utah Republican said during an appearance on Fox News' "Outnumbered." "I do think that in all of the government, he is a man of integrity and honesty."
Comey, Chaffetz continued, went before the House Judiciary Committee of which he is a member and said he "looks at this daily."
"His finger is on the pulse of this. Nothing happens without him, and I think he is going to be the definitive person to make a determination or a recommendation," Chaffetz said. "We'll see where that goes."
Chaffetz noted reports about the ongoing investigation, adding that he thinks it is "imperative that they get it done sooner than later."
Isn't Chaffetz the guy who infamously defended the dumbest "graph" of all time (no axes, no scale, lines were intersecting when they should have been far away from each other) when arguing against Planned Parenthood in that whole abortion vs breast screening fiasco that some anti-choice company fabricated? During the PP hearing?
On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
Except this entire thing is one big redirection. Trump University was running a worthless diploma mill that effectively defrauded their students but now the conversation is about whether Trump is a racist, which people have already made up their minds on. The pro-Trump crowd are going to hail him as not being intimidated by the PC crowd while the anti-Trump crowd already know he's a racist and Trump University will slip by unnoticed.
On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
Except this entire thing is one big redirection. Trump University was running a worthless diploma mill that effectively defrauded their students but now the conversation is about whether Trump is a racist, which people have already made up their minds on. The pro-Trump crowd are going to hail him as not being intimidated by the PC crowd while the anti-Trump crowd already know he's a racist and Trump University will slip by unnoticed.
Sure, but ultimately, the subject is still his university. It's a bunch of talk about how he will be biased, during Trump's hearing.
On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
Except this entire thing is one big redirection. Trump University was running a worthless diploma mill that effectively defrauded their students but now the conversation is about whether Trump is a racist, which people have already made up their minds on. The pro-Trump crowd are going to hail him as not being intimidated by the PC crowd while the anti-Trump crowd already know he's a racist and Trump University will slip by unnoticed.
Fair point, but I'm not sure it's entirely good since so many Republicans seem to be on the fence about him. When pretty much the entire Republican party, including somebody like Gingrich (who Trump has already called out for calling him out), is calling you out, this just serves to further spook mainstream Republicans out of voting for him.
I think you could also argue that this brings MORE attention to the Trump University case as a whole, not less. Now people who before didn't give a shit about the case are going to do google searches and read up more about the case then they would ever have otherwise since it is the number one news item around Trump. Since every article on the Judge inevitable mentions that this is a fraud case, it only serves to spread that message to more people.
Should the FBI not recommend an indictment of Hillary Clinton following its investigation of the setup of her private email server, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Monday said he and his Republican colleagues would "probably" accept the outcome.
"Oh, probably, because we do believe in [FBI Director] James Comey," the Utah Republican said during an appearance on Fox News' "Outnumbered." "I do think that in all of the government, he is a man of integrity and honesty."
Comey, Chaffetz continued, went before the House Judiciary Committee of which he is a member and said he "looks at this daily."
"His finger is on the pulse of this. Nothing happens without him, and I think he is going to be the definitive person to make a determination or a recommendation," Chaffetz said. "We'll see where that goes."
Chaffetz noted reports about the ongoing investigation, adding that he thinks it is "imperative that they get it done sooner than later."
Isn't Chaffetz the guy who infamously defended the dumbest "graph" of all time (no axes, no scale, lines were intersecting when they should have been far away from each other) when arguing against Planned Parenthood in that whole abortion vs breast screening fiasco that some anti-choice company fabricated? During the PP hearing?
this trump antic is severe enough to hold the conversation for a while and attract attention to his 'university'. there is a lot of fraud in the trump name, enough to sustain persistent attacks along that line.
The word Corrupt gets tossed around here a lot. I usually say it ironically. But the key thing missing in all of our various Corruption arguments was the Quid Pro Quo. Behold! True Corruption has been found.
"Florida's attorney general personally solicited a political contribution from Donald Trump around the same time her office deliberated joining an investigation of alleged fraud at Trump University and its affiliates
The new disclosure from Attorney General Pam Bondi's spokesman to The Associated Press on Monday provides additional details around the unusual circumstances of Trump's $25,000 donation to Bondi. After the money came in, Bondi's office nixed suing Trump."
In early 2014, after decades of government and nonprofit work that reflected a passion for public service, Cassandra Butts got a reward — or so she thought. She was nominated by President Obama to be the next United States ambassador to the Bahamas.
It wasn’t an especially high-profile gig at the crossroads of the day’s most urgent issues, but it was a longstanding diplomatic post that needed to be filled, and she had concrete ideas about how best to do the job.
“She was very excited,” her sister, Deidra Abbott, told me.
The Senate held a hearing about her nomination in May 2014, and then … nothing. Summer came and went. So did fall. A new year arrived. Then another new year after that.
When I met her last month, she’d been waiting more than 820 days to be confirmed. She died suddenly two weeks later, still waiting. She was 50 years old.
The delay had nothing to do with her qualifications, which were impeccable. It had everything to do with Washington. She was a pawn in its power games and partisanship.
At one point Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, had a “hold” on all political nominees for State Department positions, partly as a way of punishing President Obama for the Iran nuclear deal.
At another point Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, put a hold specifically on Butts and on nominees for the ambassadorships to Sweden and Norway. He had a legitimate gripe with the Obama administration over a Secret Service leak of private information about a fellow member of Congress, and he was trying to pressure Obama to take punitive action. But that issue was unrelated to Butts and the Bahamas.
Cotton eventually released the two other holds, but not the one on Butts. She told me that she once went to see him about it, and he explained that he knew that she was a close friend of Obama’s — the two first encountered each other on a line for financial-aid forms at Harvard Law School, where they were classmates — and that blocking her was a way to inflict special pain on the president. [...]
In early 2014, after decades of government and nonprofit work that reflected a passion for public service, Cassandra Butts got a reward — or so she thought. She was nominated by President Obama to be the next United States ambassador to the Bahamas.
It wasn’t an especially high-profile gig at the crossroads of the day’s most urgent issues, but it was a longstanding diplomatic post that needed to be filled, and she had concrete ideas about how best to do the job.
“She was very excited,” her sister, Deidra Abbott, told me.
The Senate held a hearing about her nomination in May 2014, and then … nothing. Summer came and went. So did fall. A new year arrived. Then another new year after that.
When I met her last month, she’d been waiting more than 820 days to be confirmed. She died suddenly two weeks later, still waiting. She was 50 years old.
The delay had nothing to do with her qualifications, which were impeccable. It had everything to do with Washington. She was a pawn in its power games and partisanship.
At one point Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, had a “hold” on all political nominees for State Department positions, partly as a way of punishing President Obama for the Iran nuclear deal.
At another point Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, put a hold specifically on Butts and on nominees for the ambassadorships to Sweden and Norway. He had a legitimate gripe with the Obama administration over a Secret Service leak of private information about a fellow member of Congress, and he was trying to pressure Obama to take punitive action. But that issue was unrelated to Butts and the Bahamas.
Cotton eventually released the two other holds, but not the one on Butts. She told me that she once went to see him about it, and he explained that he knew that she was a close friend of Obama’s — the two first encountered each other on a line for financial-aid forms at Harvard Law School, where they were classmates — and that blocking her was a way to inflict special pain on the president. [...]
On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
He never mocked a disabled journalist...
That was media going full-SJW
edit just so no one gets upset - He never mocked a disabled journalist for being disabled
He mocked a journalist for being incompetent and it just so turned out the journalist was disabled as well
On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
Except this entire thing is one big redirection. Trump University was running a worthless diploma mill that effectively defrauded their students but now the conversation is about whether Trump is a racist, which people have already made up their minds on. The pro-Trump crowd are going to hail him as not being intimidated by the PC crowd while the anti-Trump crowd already know he's a racist and Trump University will slip by unnoticed.
Y'know Kwark, I thought this exact thing too. But I'm not 100% sure it's working quite as well as Trump wanted it to or as well as I thought it would at first.
This particular chain of Trump comments is just soooooo dumb, bizarre, and nonsensical that people find it very hard to look past them as being just sticking to the PC crowd and not evidence of stupidity or, failing that, ineptitude. Saying that people can't judge you because they might vote against you/dislike you is so completely incompatible with an understanding and belief in the U.S. system of justice that it gets people annoyed. Not to mention the ramifications like judges having to recuse themselves when considering laws they might like or dislike.
Granted there's limited way to survey what people on the ground think of them which is the most important metric.
On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
He never mocked a disabled journalist...
That was media going full-SJW
edit just so no one gets upset - He never mocked a disabled journalist for being disabled
He mocked a journalist for being incompetent and it just so turned out the journalist was disabled as well
To be very specific, he mocked the disabled journalist in a way that mimicked his disability and in the past he had associated with the journalist making many skeptical it was by chance.
While discussing a claim he completely fabricated that slandered the Muslim community, of course, after the mocked journalist said that his own article that not actually agree with Trump's claim despite Trump saying it did.
Edit: And, to this day, not a single record has surfaced showing Trump's doubled-down on comments about video evidence of Muslims celebrating in the streets of the U.S. is correct.
On June 07 2016 07:48 xDaunt wrote: Trump has always doubled down, and it has always worked for him. Why stop now?
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful.
I disagree. He didn't double down on his mocking a disabled journalist, for example.
What most people expected was he would do what he's always done; redirect. That he would say some new outrageous thing to direct the media away from the Judge issue so that it would die out. Instead he's doing the opposite. I think most people would agree it is not a smart strategy, and will almost certainly blow up in his face, if it hasn't already.
He never mocked a disabled journalist...
That was media going full-SJW
edit just so no one gets upset - He never mocked a disabled journalist for being disabled
He mocked a journalist for being incompetent and it just so turned out the journalist was disabled as well
He one thousand percent mocked the guy for being disabled. If a plumber does the crippled arms shit to make fun of someone he's a piece of shit, if a guy in IT does it he's a piece of shit. Donald Trump is absolutely a piece of shit for doing it, and make no mistake it was deliberate mocking. I feel like we should probably hold people running for the most powerful job on the planet to a slightly higher standard than going cripple arms on stage but wtf do I know?
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