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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 07 2016 04:56 Plansix wrote: Man, that reporter went it way too hard with that bait. It’s a silly question which deserved the flip answer it got. Yeah. I love saying mean shit about Bernie, but this interview is not allowing me to do so. Note: I am mostly making fun of myself here :p | ||
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JumboJohnson
537 Posts
On June 07 2016 03:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Wonder if he can write off the $15m as a charitable donation and still come out on top. Also guess it's time to start a debt agency and buy out my own debt. Anyone care to join?  | ||
KwarK
United States43976 Posts
On June 07 2016 05:13 JumboJohnson wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2016 03:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUAntt1z2c Wonder if he can write off the $15m as a charitable donation and still come out on top. Also guess it's time to start a debt agency and buy out my own debt. Anyone care to join? I don't think you understand any part of what happened there. Debt is sold in bundles, he didn't make a $15m donation and the people who actually held that debt were very unlikely to ever pay a cent on it, hence why it was going for four tenths of a cent on the dollar. By the time your debt is valued at four tenths of a cent on the dollar you can just not pay it, it doesn't get that cheap unless it's completely unenforceable. Furthermore even if you settle the debt with yourself your credit report will still be trashed. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 07 2016 05:32 KwarK wrote: I don't think you understand any part of what happened there. Debt is sold in bundles, he didn't make a $15m donation and the people who actually held that debt were very unlikely to ever pay a cent on it, hence why it was going for four tenths of a cent on the dollar. By the time your debt is valued at four tenths of a cent on the dollar you can just not pay it, it doesn't get that cheap unless it's completely unenforceable. Furthermore even if you settle the debt with yourself your credit report will still be trashed. If you already have that much debt, your credit is pretty well on the way to being screwed. But really it is much easier to discharge it through bankruptcy. Then when someone tries to collect on a discharged debt, you go after them for fair debt violations and make up your loss. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On June 07 2016 05:13 JumboJohnson wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2016 03:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUAntt1z2c Wonder if he can write off the $15m as a charitable donation and still come out on top. Also guess it's time to start a debt agency and buy out my own debt. Anyone care to join? thats sounds like what the savings and loan people would do. loan a ton of money to friends or themselves and then default and have the government cover it | ||
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KwarK
United States43976 Posts
On June 07 2016 05:38 Plansix wrote: If you already have that much debt, your credit is pretty well on the way to being screwed. But really it is much easier to discharge it through bankruptcy. Then when someone tries to collect on a discharged debt, you go after them for fair debt violations and make up your loss. Except the people who are going to be holding this debt aren't going to be aware of what their legal rights are, nor how to demand verification of the debt or anything else. They're going to be the ones who get an angry boss demanding to know why a debt collector was calling him at home and who make payments on it just to end the harassment, thus prolonging the harassment. It falls into the same abyss as pretty much all social programs except stuff like UBI, the people who need help are almost always the people least able to get that help. They're the people who struggle to read the forms or to understand how to resolve their own problems. You or I would be absolutely fine if we got into that position but you or I are never going to get into that position and the shitty illegal debt collectors aren't going to fuck with us because they know better. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But once again. any attempt to regulate this will be meet with opposition. | ||
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Falling
Canada11509 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22348 Posts
George W bush has a speaking fee of 100k aswell and is rumored to be even higher. www.snopes.com/2015/07/09/george-bush-speaking-fees/ So what is someone hoping to accomplish with 'bribing' an unpopular retired president? Any high profile public speaker in the US can run you up 100k. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23932 Posts
On June 07 2016 07:12 Gorsameth wrote: To those saying HIllary's speaking fees are bribes. George W bush has a speaking fee of 100k aswell and is rumored to be even higher. www.snopes.com/2015/07/09/george-bush-speaking-fees/ So what is someone hoping to accomplish with 'bribing' an unpopular retired president? Any high profile public speaker in the US can run you up 100k. I mean she's not a president and she pulled in over 600k just from GS and 10's of millions total (not even counting Bill's speeches). Also, are we pretending Bush doesn't still have connections? But giving Hillary a pass on this means that any potential president has a pass on taking in millions of dollars into their personal pockets from the people they say they are going to reign in and we're to presume it's all legit. This is also ignoring the millions dumped into her superPAC's and elsewhere. For example, because of giving Hillary a pass, we also have to give Trump a pass for taking money from the typical GOP big donors as just playing the broken game and we're to assume they will have no influence over his policy even if their interests are in direct opposition to what he says he'll do while taking millions from them. Even if he records the conversations, we'll have to let him say there's nothing sketchy about not letting us hear them. All of this doesn't even touch the Clinton Foundation which any intellectually honest person knows would be getting ripped by Hillary supporters if it was the "Cheney Foundation" but doing exactly the same things. Which is where Trump is heading next, and it's going to be a bumpy ride trying to defend it. It's hard for me to think people look at Chelsea Clinton's first job (or work history in general) and think "yup, nothing fishy going on there". | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Goddess: 51 Bernie: 49 Won't be surprised if it is the opposite though. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-06/trump-orders-surrogates-to-intensify-criticism-of-judge-and-journalists This is the real Donald Trump. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23932 Posts
On June 07 2016 07:31 On_Slaught wrote: Lol @ the media genius. Rather than moving on from this issue which is making him look horrible to both parties, he is doubling down on it over and over. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-06/trump-orders-surrogates-to-intensify-criticism-of-judge-and-journalists This is the real Donald Trump. Just watched one of the first trials with Katrina and she kicked Wolf's ass on this. They had the Bloomberg report and they still weren't ready, the media is going to be relegated to a punchline by the end of the election. That they are getting beat by someone saying such absurd things will be something studied for generations. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 07 2016 07:31 On_Slaught wrote: Lol @ the media genius. Rather than moving on from this issue which is making him look horrible to both parties, he is doubling down on it over and over. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-06/trump-orders-surrogates-to-intensify-criticism-of-judge-and-journalists This is the real Donald Trump. my god. "Are there any other stupid letters that were sent to you folks?" Trump said. "That's one of the reasons I want to have this call, because you guys are getting sometimes stupid information from people that aren't so smart." | ||
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KwarK
United States43976 Posts
On June 07 2016 07:31 On_Slaught wrote: Lol @ the media genius. Rather than moving on from this issue which is making him look horrible to both parties, he is doubling down on it over and over. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-06/trump-orders-surrogates-to-intensify-criticism-of-judge-and-journalists This is the real Donald Trump. I've taken over the asylum now and the orderlies better start singing in harmony with my lunacy, or else. I'd say they sought to harness the Trump without being able to control him but it's not even that, they did all they could to reject him and failed and now they're stuck with him and don't know how to disassociate the Republican party with him without looking like they're disloyal. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Should the FBI not recommend an indictment of Hillary Clinton following its investigation of the setup of her private email server, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Monday said he and his Republican colleagues would "probably" accept the outcome. "Oh, probably, because we do believe in [FBI Director] James Comey," the Utah Republican said during an appearance on Fox News' "Outnumbered." "I do think that in all of the government, he is a man of integrity and honesty." Comey, Chaffetz continued, went before the House Judiciary Committee of which he is a member and said he "looks at this daily." "His finger is on the pulse of this. Nothing happens without him, and I think he is going to be the definitive person to make a determination or a recommendation," Chaffetz said. "We'll see where that goes." Chaffetz noted reports about the ongoing investigation, adding that he thinks it is "imperative that they get it done sooner than later." Source | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On June 07 2016 07:34 GreenHorizons wrote: Just watched one of the first trials with Katrina and she kicked Wolf's ass on this. They had the Bloomberg report and they still weren't ready, the media is going to be relegated to a punchline by the end of the election. That they are getting beat by someone saying such absurd things will be something studied for generations. Definitely agree with this. Political Scientists and the like are going to be busy for a while. The number of books that will be written on this election will blot out the sun. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
That said, and as an attorney, I do find his attacks on Judge Curiel to be highly distasteful. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
grand trumpkin's attack against that judge is hilariously self destructive hope it continues. | ||
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