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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 26 2016 20:49 GMT
#77741
On May 27 2016 04:38 SK.Testie wrote:
He's kinda killing it tbh.
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"i dont read the huffington post"
"do they write articles?"

lol
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
May 26 2016 20:52 GMT
#77742
I see explicit religious conservatism being a significant driving force for elections for about one more generation. It's not quite dead yet but the youth of today are less religious than most by a significant margin.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
May 26 2016 20:54 GMT
#77743
It all depends on what region of the nation we are referring to. I see some areas becoming more religious to counteract the rise of secularism. More specifically Cruz states that he won in the primary.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 26 2016 20:59 GMT
#77744
On May 27 2016 05:52 LegalLord wrote:
I see explicit religious conservatism being a significant driving force for elections for about one more generation. It's not quite dead yet but the youth of today are less religious than most by a significant margin.


I think it will keep being significant and will keep throwing a fuss. Gay wedding cakes? Trans women in bathrooms? These are still issues totally spearheaded by religious conservatives. It's just that they aren't winning anymore.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 26 2016 21:27 GMT
#77745
On May 27 2016 05:59 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 05:52 LegalLord wrote:
I see explicit religious conservatism being a significant driving force for elections for about one more generation. It's not quite dead yet but the youth of today are less religious than most by a significant margin.


I think it will keep being significant and will keep throwing a fuss. Gay wedding cakes? Trans women in bathrooms? These are still issues totally spearheaded by religious conservatives. It's just that they aren't winning anymore.

The main goal is to just make it impossible for those gays and trans people to exist in the communities where the religious conservatives exist. Its a tactic as old as politics, make it so the people you oppose have to hid who they are just to take a shit.
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Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
May 26 2016 21:27 GMT
#77746
On May 27 2016 05:59 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 05:52 LegalLord wrote:
I see explicit religious conservatism being a significant driving force for elections for about one more generation. It's not quite dead yet but the youth of today are less religious than most by a significant margin.


I think it will keep being significant and will keep throwing a fuss. Gay wedding cakes? Trans women in bathrooms? These are still issues totally spearheaded by religious conservatives. It's just that they aren't winning anymore.


I would not say that the bathroom issue is not purely "religious conservatives" as much as it is a subgroup of the population not wanting to agree with a law that suggests that sex is performative. We already have told the US that sexuality is something you're physically born with, and now we're telling them that a person's sex is something they're mentally born with. Its a little too hard for people who prefer things in black and white terms.

For example, you could be born male, but you identify as female, but you're also a lesbian, who is a crossdresser.

So now you can be a guy, in a suite, who likes girls, who dresses butch, but should be called miss. There's nothing wrong with that. That is so fucking cool that one's personality is so fluid and flexible. But its also really hard for people who want some level of transparency in the way they want to see the world.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 26 2016 21:35 GMT
#77747
Or it's as mentioned above, an increasingly vocal minority, that needs to paranoid about something or other to get through their lives. It's how Ted Cruz thought he could clinch Indiana and it totally backfired.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-26 21:54:28
May 26 2016 21:48 GMT
#77748
On May 27 2016 05:52 LegalLord wrote:
I see explicit religious conservatism being a significant driving force for elections for about one more generation. It's not quite dead yet but the youth of today are less religious than most by a significant margin.


As opposed to Europe, where religious conservatism will be an increasingly big factor.

If you think YOUR fundamentalists are crazy, you're in for a rude surprise.

American religious nuts don't want to sell wedding cakes to gays, our religious nuts want to burn gays on the stake.
American religious nuts cry about people who leave the religious, our religious nuts want to kill people who leave the religion.
American religious nuts discuss which bathroom transgenders are allowed to use, our religious nuts discuss which torture method should be used on transgenders.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
May 26 2016 21:57 GMT
#77749
On May 27 2016 06:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Or it's as mentioned above, an increasingly vocal minority, that needs to paranoid about something or other to get through their lives. It's how Ted Cruz thought he could clinch Indiana and it totally backfired.


People just want things to believe in as a distraction from their own problems, regardless if you are for or against these social issues. Irony is strong here. The absurd focus on these issues when they are so marginal is proof of that
Question.?
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-26 22:29:20
May 26 2016 22:16 GMT
#77750
To follow-up on my post explaining why the Democratic primary system isn't rigged against Sanders: 538 have actually just released an analysis of this exact matter, examining the impact of caucuses and closed/open primaries: see here. I'll quote them:
Sanders fans have claimed that because caucuses have lower turnout the current national caucus and primary vote underrates how well Sanders is doing. In fact, the opposite is true. When we switch all caucuses over to primaries, Sanders actually does worse. Clinton’s lead in the popular vote would grow from 2.9 to 3.3 million votes. Moreover, her edge in elected delegates would expand significantly. Instead of her current lead of 272 elected delegates, Clinton would be ahead by 424. Some states that were won by Sanders in caucuses, including Colorado and Minnesota, would be won by Clinton in primaries, according to our calculations.[...]

In fact, if all states held primaries open to independents — instead of closed primaries, or caucuses of any kind — Clinton might have a larger lead in elected delegates than she does now. The model indicates that Clinton would have a lead of 294 elected delegates, compared with the 272 she holds now. [...] Realistically, if you throw everything together, the math suggests that Sanders doesn’t have much to complain about. If the Democratic nomination were open to as many Democrats as possible — through closed primaries — Clinton would be dominating Sanders. And if the nomination were open to as many voters as possible — through open primaries — she’d still be winning.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-26 23:00:36
May 26 2016 23:00 GMT
#77751
On May 27 2016 07:16 kwizach wrote:
To follow-up on my post explaining why the Democratic primary system isn't rigged against Sanders: 538 have actually just released an analysis of this exact matter, examining the impact of caucuses and closed/open primaries: see here. I'll quote them:
Show nested quote +
Sanders fans have claimed that because caucuses have lower turnout the current national caucus and primary vote underrates how well Sanders is doing. In fact, the opposite is true. When we switch all caucuses over to primaries, Sanders actually does worse. Clinton’s lead in the popular vote would grow from 2.9 to 3.3 million votes. Moreover, her edge in elected delegates would expand significantly. Instead of her current lead of 272 elected delegates, Clinton would be ahead by 424. Some states that were won by Sanders in caucuses, including Colorado and Minnesota, would be won by Clinton in primaries, according to our calculations.[...]

In fact, if all states held primaries open to independents — instead of closed primaries, or caucuses of any kind — Clinton might have a larger lead in elected delegates than she does now. The model indicates that Clinton would have a lead of 294 elected delegates, compared with the 272 she holds now. [...] Realistically, if you throw everything together, the math suggests that Sanders doesn’t have much to complain about. If the Democratic nomination were open to as many Democrats as possible — through closed primaries — Clinton would be dominating Sanders. And if the nomination were open to as many voters as possible — through open primaries — she’d still be winning.


Bernie supporters wrote off 538 as soon as they said Bernie's statistical disadvantage with minorities would ultimately be what loses him the nomination. Since obviously that was tottttally wrong (lol), they will assume this is also totally wrong.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-26 23:32:20
May 26 2016 23:16 GMT
#77752
On May 27 2016 06:27 Naracs_Duc wrote:
For example, you could be born male, but you identify as female, but you're also a lesbian, who is a crossdresser.

So now you can be a guy, in a suite, who likes girls, who dresses butch, but should be called miss. There's nothing wrong with that. That is so fucking cool that one's personality is so fluid and flexible. But its also really hard for people who want some level of transparency in the way they want to see the world.


Doctor: "Congratulations, you have a brand new baby boy!"
Mom: "Check your privilege shitlord, we don't know what it identifies as yet."

Do you get to change your persona year to year or week to week? You know, as you learn about yourself and the world and grow?
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-26 23:26:44
May 26 2016 23:20 GMT
#77753
On May 27 2016 06:57 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 06:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Or it's as mentioned above, an increasingly vocal minority, that needs to paranoid about something or other to get through their lives. It's how Ted Cruz thought he could clinch Indiana and it totally backfired.


People just want things to believe in as a distraction from their own problems, regardless if you are for or against these social issues. Irony is strong here. The absurd focus on these issues when they are so marginal is proof of that


What was the major social uproar last Spring? Gay Marriage. Trans bathroom use wasn't being mentioned until, what, 2-3 months ago? One can argue. Then the SCOTUS in June(?) last year ruled that Gay Marriage was legal all across the land. Then Kim Davis happened. Then Cruz tried his last gamble in Indiana with this:



And the result:

The comments went over well with the Cruz crowd, but moderate Republicans watching Cruz’s comments on the local news later that night might as well have heard a record scratch—the amens replaced by sighs. “I don’t like any campaign that puts one class of humans against another,” a central Indiana Republican delegate to Cleveland who was turned off by Cruz’s comments, told me.

It was not supposed to go this way for Cruz. Indiana seems to be, at least from 30,000 feet, a barn-red bastion of Bible-believing IndyCar social conservatives—a place where a Washington Wiseman like Senator Richard Lugar can lose a primary to a bomb-throwing conservative like Richard Mourdock 60 to 40 percent.


Source

After Trump won Cruz "decided" to drop out despite God telling him he should Run for POTUS. Then Trump met Paul Ryan other GOP leaders. Then GOP hardliner states started suing Obama over Trans bathroom use. Less than a month after Cruz got pummeled, oddly enough Trump is now doing the same.

Almost as if the GOP sees that the rubes need something to latch on to so they can delay the inevitable implosion of their party.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
May 26 2016 23:34 GMT
#77754
On May 27 2016 08:16 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 06:27 Naracs_Duc wrote:
For example, you could be born male, but you identify as female, but you're also a lesbian, who is a crossdresser.

So now you can be a guy, in a suite, who likes girls, who dresses butch, but should be called miss. There's nothing wrong with that. That is so fucking cool that one's personality is so fluid and flexible. But its also really hard for people who want some level of transparency in the way they want to see the world.


Doctor: "Congratulations, you have a brand new baby boy!"
Mom: "Check your privilege shitlord, we don't know what it identifies as yet."

Do you get to change your persona year to year or week to week? You know, as you learn about yourself and the world and grow?


Does it matter? Like, seriously, does it matter?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 26 2016 23:42 GMT
#77755
President Obama came into office with a dream of a world without nuclear weapons, and he's sure to touch on this theme Friday when he becomes the first sitting U.S. president to visit Hiroshima, site of the world's first atomic bombing.

Yet Obama also has put the U.S. on course to spend around $1 trillion on upgrading its nuclear arsenal over the next three decades, critics say.

Everything about nuclear weapons is extreme: the implications of their use, the costs involved, and the strategic and political paradoxes they create.

Although the world hasn't seen a nuclear attack since 1945, the U.S. "uses" its strategic weapons every day, advocates say, by having them on hand to deter potential enemies. The most destructive arsenals ever built kept the world from fighting a major war, supporters say.

And a president who has opposed nuclear weapons all his life has wound up asking Congress to fund a new class of ballistic missile submarine, a new stealth bomber, upgrades to the current stock of nuclear weapons, a new cruise missile and billions of dollars of other programs.

The world's other nuclear superpower, Russia, is rejuvenating its own nuclear arsenal and threatening to develop whole new weapons, including an intermediate-range missile and what it claims is a new nuclear torpedo.

China, Russia, India and the United States all are developing new missiles that travel at least three times the speed of sound. Disarmament activists say no country should have these weapons.

"Obama and his successor, along with Russian President Vladimir Putin, have a responsibility to pull back from a nuclear action-reaction cycle that would put both countries at greater risk and block further nuclear reductions for many more years to come," declared Daryl Kimball, head of the Arms Control Association.

Kimball has called on Obama to propose new negotiations on global restraint, urge China, India and Pakistan to freeze their nuclear stockpiles and call for "a new push for a world without nuclear weapons."


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 27 2016 00:00 GMT
#77756
Us needs to put way more money into Nuclear Site maintenance and technology, when I've seen reports on the 50s technology, understaffed bases with nuclear warheads it's almost surprising that shit didn't go terribly bad yet
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 27 2016 00:06 GMT
#77757
Some money to update stuff, and make sure the new stuff works is reasonable. But I'm not inclined to go overboard with it. It doesn't take that many nukes to be useful.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 27 2016 00:07 GMT
#77758
On May 27 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 08:16 SK.Testie wrote:
On May 27 2016 06:27 Naracs_Duc wrote:
For example, you could be born male, but you identify as female, but you're also a lesbian, who is a crossdresser.

So now you can be a guy, in a suite, who likes girls, who dresses butch, but should be called miss. There's nothing wrong with that. That is so fucking cool that one's personality is so fluid and flexible. But its also really hard for people who want some level of transparency in the way they want to see the world.


Doctor: "Congratulations, you have a brand new baby boy!"
Mom: "Check your privilege shitlord, we don't know what it identifies as yet."

Do you get to change your persona year to year or week to week? You know, as you learn about yourself and the world and grow?


Does it matter? Like, seriously, does it matter?


"Hey, I talked to Geoff again. He wants us to call him Shaquanda now"
"Alright, np"

"Hey, I talked to Geoff, I mean Shaquanda again. She wants us to call him Lord Nibbly the third"
"Alright, np"

I'm fine with it, but I'll definitely find it amusing. ;p
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
May 27 2016 00:31 GMT
#77759
On May 27 2016 09:07 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On May 27 2016 08:16 SK.Testie wrote:
On May 27 2016 06:27 Naracs_Duc wrote:
For example, you could be born male, but you identify as female, but you're also a lesbian, who is a crossdresser.

So now you can be a guy, in a suite, who likes girls, who dresses butch, but should be called miss. There's nothing wrong with that. That is so fucking cool that one's personality is so fluid and flexible. But its also really hard for people who want some level of transparency in the way they want to see the world.


Doctor: "Congratulations, you have a brand new baby boy!"
Mom: "Check your privilege shitlord, we don't know what it identifies as yet."

Do you get to change your persona year to year or week to week? You know, as you learn about yourself and the world and grow?


Does it matter? Like, seriously, does it matter?


"Hey, I talked to Geoff again. He wants us to call him Shaquanda now"
"Alright, np"

"Hey, I talked to Geoff, I mean Shaquanda again. She wants us to call him Lord Nibbly the third"
"Alright, np"

I'm fine with it, but I'll definitely find it amusing. ;p


Obviously you're not fine with it, or else you wouldn't keep talking about it and attempting to make it sound absurd.
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Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
May 27 2016 00:39 GMT
#77760
On May 27 2016 09:07 SK.Testie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On May 27 2016 08:16 SK.Testie wrote:
On May 27 2016 06:27 Naracs_Duc wrote:
For example, you could be born male, but you identify as female, but you're also a lesbian, who is a crossdresser.

So now you can be a guy, in a suite, who likes girls, who dresses butch, but should be called miss. There's nothing wrong with that. That is so fucking cool that one's personality is so fluid and flexible. But its also really hard for people who want some level of transparency in the way they want to see the world.


Doctor: "Congratulations, you have a brand new baby boy!"
Mom: "Check your privilege shitlord, we don't know what it identifies as yet."

Do you get to change your persona year to year or week to week? You know, as you learn about yourself and the world and grow?


Does it matter? Like, seriously, does it matter?


"Hey, I talked to Geoff again. He wants us to call him Shaquanda now"
"Alright, np"

"Hey, I talked to Geoff, I mean Shaquanda again. She wants us to call him Lord Nibbly the third"
"Alright, np"

I'm fine with it, but I'll definitely find it amusing. ;p


If names are what you're worried about non-trans people can do that too?

"I'm Prince"

"I mean, the artist formerly known as prince"

"I mean, The Artist"

"Fuck it, I'm Prince"

"No, the artists formerly known as prince"

"Nah, fuck that, back to Prince"
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