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On May 21 2016 06:13 Mohdoo wrote:
My favorite Bernista conspiracy: every time Clinton or a Clinton super pac donate money to the Democratic party of a state (thus supporting the party), it is framed as fraud. It's amazing.
I still think it's hilarious that they think Bernie should be the nominee when Clinton has over 3 million more votes.
It's gonna be Clinton v Trump and Trump will win easily.
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Some of the biggest US companies have accumulated cash piles worth almost $1.7tn (£1.1tn) – more than two thirds of it overseas.
According to the calculations by ratings agency Moody’s, the five companies hoarding the most cash – Apple, Microsoft, Google, Cisco and Oracle – between them held $504bn by the end of last year. The tech sector held 46% of the total.
Apple – described as the “cash king” by the ratings agency – held $216bn of cash, more than double the $102bn held by the next largest hoarder, Microsoft.
The figures will add to the controversy about companies sitting on cash as the data shows they are parking it offshore to avoid the tax bill that would be due on returning it to the US.
An estimated $1.2tn of cash was held overseas at the end of 2015 – about 72% of the $1.68tn cash stockpile, Moody’s said. Of the five big hoarders of cash, three – Apple, Microsoft and Cisco – keep more than 90% outside the US.
“This amount reflects the negative tax consequences of permanently repatriating money to the US and the use of domestic cash for dividends, share buybacks and the majority of acquisitions,” Moody’s said.
Earlier this year, anti-poverty charity Oxfam had estimated US companies had $1.4tn in subsidiaries based offshore, while the $1.68tn that Moody’s estimates is being stashed by US companies is a sum equivalent to the size of the Canadian economy.
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On May 21 2016 06:13 Mohdoo wrote:
My favorite Bernista conspiracy: every time Clinton or a Clinton super pac donate money to the Democratic party of a state (thus supporting the party), it is framed as fraud. It's amazing.
I can't wait for the day you stop making fun of Bernie Sanders supporters. Is it really that hard to use Bernie's real name? No one on this site uses "Killary" or "Hildebeast" like I've seen on Facebook.
I'm really not sure how you expect to win Sanders supporters over if you just make fun of them in every post lol. Can we be adults and not 7th graders plz n thx
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The Idea is that they're protecting the democratic party from the non democrats that support bernie sanders.
Also they do just on Reddit and Teamliquid is nothing if not anti-reddit.
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I don't know what the Clinton camp/DNC is doing.
They say the primary is over, and that Bernie has no chance. I agree, but... isn't their job now to win over the Bernie voters for the general election? Uh... how's that going?
Instead of lecturing your needed voters over being "practical", it might be better to, I don't know... try to embrace their views a little? Or at least make a show of it? Wouldn't that be the practical thing for Hillary to do, since this primary is all but officially over?
Hillary seems to be flaunting her pride, on many levels, and that's a real problem. Bernie can be proud of his long, consistent public service. Donald Trump is just pride-incarnate. What Hillary needs, for contrast, to win this election, is some fucking humility. And I don't really see it.
Why is Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie, himself, for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention? What good is pointing that finger going to do?
For the first time, I'm now seeing how Donald Trump might be America's next President. And I do think that will be the end of many good and important things. The end of our stature among our allies. Our "exceptionalism". Maybe even the end of some of our allies, i.e. NATO. I want badly for Hillary to win this. But she's very capable of losing. She's too fake ("I always carry hot sauce with me"), too pandering, too marred in her professional and personal dealings.
But yeah, let's preemptively start blaming Bernie Sanders for future results. Let's worry about what Bernie is doing, while simultaneously declaring his irrelevance. What a constructive and practical thing to do.
God damn, I wish Joe Biden had run. If the Democrat party was unwilling or unready to support someone who might actually install some New Deal into this country, then at least we should vote for a status-quo politician who actually has mass-appeal. This is looking more and more like failure. And that failure, against Donald fucking Trump of all people, will be Hillary's legacy. Not Bernie's.
If Bernie's campaign is futile, then let it run, let them have their full say, and stop complaining. Bernie's campaign is unique, historical, and it was funded by hopeful, earnest people. Give them credit, humbly ask for their support -- or be prepared to see America become the official asshole of the world.
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On May 21 2016 12:29 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 06:13 Mohdoo wrote:
My favorite Bernista conspiracy: every time Clinton or a Clinton super pac donate money to the Democratic party of a state (thus supporting the party), it is framed as fraud. It's amazing. I can't wait for the day you stop making fun of Bernie Sanders supporters. Is it really that hard to use Bernie's real name? No one on this site uses "Killary" or "Hildebeast" like I've seen on Facebook. I'm really not sure how you expect to win Sanders supporters over if you just make fun of them in every post lol. Can we be adults and not 7th graders plz n thx
You're right, the term Bernista really needs to be put to rest.
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On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
I don't know what the Clinton camp/DNC is doing.
They say the primary is over, and that Bernie has no chance. I agree, but... isn't their job now to win over the Bernie voters for the general election? Uh... how's that going?
Instead of lecturing your needed voters over being "practical", it might be better to, I don't know... try to embrace their views a little? Or at least make a show of it? Wouldn't that be the practical thing for Hillary to do, since this primary is all but officially over?
Hillary seems to be flaunting her pride, on many levels, and that's a real problem. Bernie can be proud of his long, consistent public service. Donald Trump is just pride-incarnate. What Hillary needs, for contrast, to win this election, is some fucking humility. And I don't really see it.
Why is Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie, himself, for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention? What good is pointing that finger going to do?
For the first time, I'm now seeing how Donald Trump might be America's next President. And I do think that will be the end of many good and important things. The end of our stature among our allies. Our "exceptionalism". Maybe even the end of some of our allies, i.e. NATO. I want badly for Hillary to win this. But she's very capable of losing. She's too fake ("I always carry hot sauce with me"), too pandering, too marred in her professional and personal dealings.
But yeah, let's preemptively start blaming Bernie Sanders for future results. Let's worry about what Bernie is doing, while simultaneously declaring his irrelevance. What a constructive and practical thing to do.
God damn, I wish Joe Biden had run. If the Democrat party was unwilling or unready to support someone who might actually install some New Deal into this country, then at least we should vote for a status-quo politician who actually has mass-appeal. This is looking more and more like failure. And that failure, against Donald fucking Trump of all people, will be Hillary's legacy. Not Bernie's.
If Bernie's campaign is futile, then let it run, let them have their full say, and stop complaining. Bernie's campaign is unique, historical, and it was funded by hopeful, earnest people. Give them credit, humbly ask for their support -- or be prepared to see America become the official asshole of the world.
Basically sums up my thoughts on the Democratic primary right now. I'm a realistic Bernie supporter that understands he isn't going to win the nomination-- but I find the Clinton/DNC handling of this very very poor.
Van Jones is correct: DWS bungled this from the very beginning, making Sanders supporters a lot more passionate and anti-Clinton than they would've been had she simply given at least a HALF decent debate schedule. Clinton's people have DWS's terrible politics to blame for part of the Sanders insurgency. She's really a terrible party leader lol
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The new, redesigned "Nutrition Facts" label is coming. The Food and Drug Administration has announced that the new label will be required on most packaged food by July 2018.
The big change: The label will have a separate line showing how much sugar has been added to each food. The amount of "added sugar" will be expressed in grams and as a percentage of a "Daily Value" — an amount of sugar consumption that nutritionists think would be reasonable as part of a daily 2,000-calorie diet. The label also will display calories per serving, and serving size, more prominently.
As one example, a 20-ounce bottle of Coke could show 65 grams of added sugar, representing 130 percent of a recommended daily intake.
The change reflects increasing concern about the amount of sugar that Americans consume, and the amount of sugar that's added to common foods.
Several advocacy groups cheered the FDA's move. Michael Jacobson, founder of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, released a statement saying that the new labels will allow consumers to make more informed choices and "should also spur food manufacturers to add less sugar to their products."
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On May 21 2016 05:29 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
The whole gun-free zones discussion is ridiculous. My high school in the 90s was a gun free zone. But we had 2 cops with guns on the campus at all times. What we are really talking about is where can CCW holders go with their weapons. By and large, CCW is permitted in most places, and the few that they aren't permitted tend to have private or public security forces (think campus police, or metal detector protected government buildings). The real question is whether moving more CCW into the few zones they aren't allowed would actually prevent any crime. Moving CCW or open carry into campus dorms will surely cause more gun violence than it would prevent (think drunk 18 year olds playing with guns indoors).
Also, private businesses / property holders are well within their rights to refuse access to CCW or open carriers. The second amendment doesn't give you an easement on the property of others.
Some states (Utah, Colorado, Washington) have allowed CCW holders to carry on campus for over a decade. There have been a handful of negligent discharges and dozens of DGU incidents.
"Drunk 18-year olds playing with guns" and CHL holders do not readily overlap. Especially since the minimum age for purchasing a handgun, let alone a CCW license, is 21 via a licensed dealer. Rules on privates sales vary across the states.
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On May 21 2016 13:21 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
I don't know what the Clinton camp/DNC is doing.
They say the primary is over, and that Bernie has no chance. I agree, but... isn't their job now to win over the Bernie voters for the general election? Uh... how's that going?
Instead of lecturing your needed voters over being "practical", it might be better to, I don't know... try to embrace their views a little? Or at least make a show of it? Wouldn't that be the practical thing for Hillary to do, since this primary is all but officially over?
Hillary seems to be flaunting her pride, on many levels, and that's a real problem. Bernie can be proud of his long, consistent public service. Donald Trump is just pride-incarnate. What Hillary needs, for contrast, to win this election, is some fucking humility. And I don't really see it.
Why is Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie, himself, for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention? What good is pointing that finger going to do?
For the first time, I'm now seeing how Donald Trump might be America's next President. And I do think that will be the end of many good and important things. The end of our stature among our allies. Our "exceptionalism". Maybe even the end of some of our allies, i.e. NATO. I want badly for Hillary to win this. But she's very capable of losing. She's too fake ("I always carry hot sauce with me"), too pandering, too marred in her professional and personal dealings.
But yeah, let's preemptively start blaming Bernie Sanders for future results. Let's worry about what Bernie is doing, while simultaneously declaring his irrelevance. What a constructive and practical thing to do.
God damn, I wish Joe Biden had run. If the Democrat party was unwilling or unready to support someone who might actually install some New Deal into this country, then at least we should vote for a status-quo politician who actually has mass-appeal. This is looking more and more like failure. And that failure, against Donald fucking Trump of all people, will be Hillary's legacy. Not Bernie's.
If Bernie's campaign is futile, then let it run, let them have their full say, and stop complaining. Bernie's campaign is unique, historical, and it was funded by hopeful, earnest people. Give them credit, humbly ask for their support -- or be prepared to see America become the official asshole of the world. Basically sums up my thoughts on the Democratic primary right now. I'm a realistic Bernie supporter that understands he isn't going to win the nomination-- but I find the Clinton/DNC handling of this very very poor. Van Jones is correct: DWS bungled this from the very beginning, making Sanders supporters a lot more passionate and anti-Clinton than they would've been had she simply given at least a HALF decent debate schedule. Clinton's people have DWS's terrible politics to blame for part of the Sanders insurgency. She's really a terrible party leader lol
lol DWS did as she was told. The same "blame Bernie if I lose", "I will be the nominee", "I'm not honoring my commitment to debate", etc... is all coming from the top. You can see it in both of their arrogance from the very beginning. Hillary and the DNC think they can force us to vote for her and they're wrong.
Some will cave into the DNC and their desire to perpetuate so many of the things progressives are against but many won't . Sticking to my prediction that Hillary will be consistently polling under 50% through the election and Trump will be ahead/statistically tied before the convention in most polls.
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On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
I don't know what the Clinton camp/DNC is doing.
They say the primary is over, and that Bernie has no chance. I agree, but... isn't their job now to win over the Bernie voters for the general election? Uh... how's that going?
Instead of lecturing your needed voters over being "practical", it might be better to, I don't know... try to embrace their views a little? Or at least make a show of it? Wouldn't that be the practical thing for Hillary to do, since this primary is all but officially over?
Hillary seems to be flaunting her pride, on many levels, and that's a real problem. Bernie can be proud of his long, consistent public service. Donald Trump is just pride-incarnate. What Hillary needs, for contrast, to win this election, is some fucking humility. And I don't really see it.
Why is Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie, himself, for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention? What good is pointing that finger going to do?
For the first time, I'm now seeing how Donald Trump might be America's next President. And I do think that will be the end of many good and important things. The end of our stature among our allies. Our "exceptionalism". Maybe even the end of some of our allies, i.e. NATO. I want badly for Hillary to win this. But she's very capable of losing. She's too fake ("I always carry hot sauce with me"), too pandering, too marred in her professional and personal dealings.
But yeah, let's preemptively start blaming Bernie Sanders for future results. Let's worry about what Bernie is doing, while simultaneously declaring his irrelevance. What a constructive and practical thing to do.
God damn, I wish Joe Biden had run. If the Democrat party was unwilling or unready to support someone who might actually install some New Deal into this country, then at least we should vote for a status-quo politician who actually has mass-appeal. This is looking more and more like failure. And that failure, against Donald fucking Trump of all people, will be Hillary's legacy. Not Bernie's.
If Bernie's campaign is futile, then let it run, let them have their full say, and stop complaining. Bernie's campaign is unique, historical, and it was funded by hopeful, earnest people. Give them credit, humbly ask for their support -- or be prepared to see America become the official asshole of the world.
You know that the losing side has to accept the winning side's arguments right? Part of losing is giving up. When something gets outvoted in a relatively democratic system, the outvoted thing gets the boot. This has happened in every single previous election in the USA. Runner up gets the toss, especially when their entire campaigns are ad hominem attacks about Corruption.
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Because humans are stupid animals who are too lazy to take things case by case. Eventually balance will be achieved but it's going to be a slow and probably very stupid road to get there.
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On May 21 2016 16:17 JW_DTLA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
I don't know what the Clinton camp/DNC is doing.
They say the primary is over, and that Bernie has no chance. I agree, but... isn't their job now to win over the Bernie voters for the general election? Uh... how's that going?
Instead of lecturing your needed voters over being "practical", it might be better to, I don't know... try to embrace their views a little? Or at least make a show of it? Wouldn't that be the practical thing for Hillary to do, since this primary is all but officially over?
Hillary seems to be flaunting her pride, on many levels, and that's a real problem. Bernie can be proud of his long, consistent public service. Donald Trump is just pride-incarnate. What Hillary needs, for contrast, to win this election, is some fucking humility. And I don't really see it.
Why is Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie, himself, for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention? What good is pointing that finger going to do?
For the first time, I'm now seeing how Donald Trump might be America's next President. And I do think that will be the end of many good and important things. The end of our stature among our allies. Our "exceptionalism". Maybe even the end of some of our allies, i.e. NATO. I want badly for Hillary to win this. But she's very capable of losing. She's too fake ("I always carry hot sauce with me"), too pandering, too marred in her professional and personal dealings.
But yeah, let's preemptively start blaming Bernie Sanders for future results. Let's worry about what Bernie is doing, while simultaneously declaring his irrelevance. What a constructive and practical thing to do.
God damn, I wish Joe Biden had run. If the Democrat party was unwilling or unready to support someone who might actually install some New Deal into this country, then at least we should vote for a status-quo politician who actually has mass-appeal. This is looking more and more like failure. And that failure, against Donald fucking Trump of all people, will be Hillary's legacy. Not Bernie's.
If Bernie's campaign is futile, then let it run, let them have their full say, and stop complaining. Bernie's campaign is unique, historical, and it was funded by hopeful, earnest people. Give them credit, humbly ask for their support -- or be prepared to see America become the official asshole of the world. You know that the losing side has to accept the winning side's arguments right? Part of losing is giving up. When something gets outvoted in a relatively democratic system, the outvoted thing gets the boot. This has happened in every single previous election in the USA. Runner up gets the toss, especially when their entire campaigns are ad hominem attacks about Corruption.
The losing side has to accept that the winning's side got their presidential candidate. Now that candidate has to win their vote for the presidential run, because it's not a given. You guys keep talking like their votes in some weird way belong to the Democrats.
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On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
I don't know what the Clinton camp/DNC is doing.
They say the primary is over, and that Bernie has no chance. I agree, but... isn't their job now to win over the Bernie voters for the general election? Uh... how's that going?
Instead of lecturing your needed voters over being "practical", it might be better to, I don't know... try to embrace their views a little? Or at least make a show of it? Wouldn't that be the practical thing for Hillary to do, since this primary is all but officially over?
Hillary seems to be flaunting her pride, on many levels, and that's a real problem. Bernie can be proud of his long, consistent public service. Donald Trump is just pride-incarnate. What Hillary needs, for contrast, to win this election, is some fucking humility. And I don't really see it.
Why is Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie, himself, for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention? What good is pointing that finger going to do?
For the first time, I'm now seeing how Donald Trump might be America's next President. And I do think that will be the end of many good and important things. The end of our stature among our allies. Our "exceptionalism". Maybe even the end of some of our allies, i.e. NATO. I want badly for Hillary to win this. But she's very capable of losing. She's too fake ("I always carry hot sauce with me"), too pandering, too marred in her professional and personal dealings.
But yeah, let's preemptively start blaming Bernie Sanders for future results. Let's worry about what Bernie is doing, while simultaneously declaring his irrelevance. What a constructive and practical thing to do.
God damn, I wish Joe Biden had run. If the Democrat party was unwilling or unready to support someone who might actually install some New Deal into this country, then at least we should vote for a status-quo politician who actually has mass-appeal. This is looking more and more like failure. And that failure, against Donald fucking Trump of all people, will be Hillary's legacy. Not Bernie's.
If Bernie's campaign is futile, then let it run, let them have their full say, and stop complaining. Bernie's campaign is unique, historical, and it was funded by hopeful, earnest people. Give them credit, humbly ask for their support -- or be prepared to see America become the official asshole of the world.
It's not about Hillary, it's about the anti-hillary propaganda being too pervasive and persistent. You yourself even use the 'I always carry hot sauce with me' as an example of her fakeness - but she's been professing her love for hot sauce since 1992, and actually does seem to always carry it with her.
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On May 21 2016 17:16 Slaughter wrote:Because humans are stupid animals who are too lazy to take things case by case. Eventually balance will be achieved but it's going to be a slow and probably very stupid road to get there.
i'd only attend if i were getting paid as a post-grad student. i'd never pay to go to a US school. too unreliable. there was 1 american in my class. once i got to know him pretty well he confided in me that he was under the microscope of a witch-hunt investigation and left... i think it was northwestern. any how, he and his family did some research and found a good canadian school...and that was that. after he told me i couldn't escape thinking .." well maybe he did do it ". LOL
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On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
Instead of lecturing your needed voters over being "practical", it might be better to, I don't know... try to embrace their views a little? Or at least make a show of it? Wouldn't that be the practical thing for Hillary to do, since this primary is all but officially over?
That's exactly what Hillary has been doing.
On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
Why is Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie, himself, for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention? What good is pointing that finger going to do?
I don't see Hillary's campaign blaming Bernie directly for the actions of his supporters at the Nevada convention, but I do see Democrats asking Bernie to more actively try to allay the hate that some of his supporters have for Hillary and the DNC (often for misguided reasons), to do his part in healing the rift between the two camps, and to more forcefully condemn the (verbal) violence coming from some of his supporters (whether at/after the Nevada convention or at Hillary rallies). His statement on the Nevada convention included one throwaway line about condemning violence, surrounded by paragraphs legitimizing through debunked claims the anger which fueled the violence. So while Sanders was not directly responsible for how some of his supporters acted, he's still responsible for pushing a narrative indulging conspiracy theories, and for fostering a rift between his supporters and the rest of the Democratic party, notably through dishonest accusations against Hillary and the Democratic party (as well as for having his campaign actively encourage his delegates to be confrontational at the Nevada convention [see the section below "Nevada chaos"]).
On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
She's too fake ("I always carry hot sauce with me")
Just wanted to address this quickly, since many Sanders supporters on reddit lost their mind about that quote, while it was actually factually true. Calling her fake for telling the truth (and it was a light-hearted response) is really something.
On May 21 2016 13:05 Leporello wrote:
But yeah, let's preemptively start blaming Bernie Sanders for future results. Let's worry about what Bernie is doing, while simultaneously declaring his irrelevance. What a constructive and practical thing to do.
Of course we should worry about what Sanders is doing, because his campaign does not happen in a vacuum. His rhetoric has an impact on how people see Hillary and the Democrats in general. It's a fact that he has no real chance of becoming the nominee, and it's also a fact that he is still running a campaign that is doing the opposite of bringing both camps together. Hillary has been extending olive branches for weeks -- it's Sanders who's being deliberately confrontational. He initially toned down his criticism of Clinton following his defeat in Pennsylvania and other states, but he replaced it with negative (and just as populist) rhetoric towards the Democratic party itself. It's perfectly legitimate to be arguing that he should recognize that he has no shot at the nomination, and that he should focus instead on his own message and on the issues he cares about, in order to reinforce the progressive movement instead of damaging its chances for the general election.
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Hillary blatantly says whatever she thinks will get her elected. And a lot of it got close to Bernie's platform. Even though it's obvious lies (70% of people think she'll say anything to get elected) it's still should bare some weight if she does get to be president so even if he can't win he will influence policy.
And Bernie will have tremendous power now, if DNC don't treat him well he can sink Hillary by running as an independent
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sandernistas don't need to be 'won over' they just need to actually inform themselves about the candidates' positions.
fact of the matter is they are severely misinformed and operate under this ridiculous conspiratorial view of politics. when you act out like a cult don't expect cuddling. it is actually more important to change sandernistas' irrational politics than to give in to demands based on delusion.
before replying to this post you need to read hillary's platform on the issue you care most about, then list objections.
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God, I just pray that Bernie doesn't pull a Ralph Nader.
We could have had Gore instead of Bush in 2000, and the world would be a much, much, much, much better place if we had. And Nader basically gave the key to White House to Bush and his hacks. Irak war, crazy tax cuts, and 8 years of political disaster is all to be credited to someone who didn't want to compromise and never thought that maybe, sometimes, politics is also rallying to people you mildly disagree with.
The only reason the right is managing to win stuff with their craziness, stupid candidates and absurd platform is the stupidity of the left. And it looks like Sanders and his supporters are much more concerned about making sure Hillary gets damaged beyond repair than trying to influence her platform and make sure we have a Democratic president, a democratic Supreme court and a democratic senate.
That's fucking horrifying.
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