US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3859

On May 21 2016 23:13 farvacola wrote:
Again, like I've said before, the notion that "bernie or bust" folk make up any sort of "significant section" of Sanders' supporters generally deserves a great deal more scrutiny, particularly when pretty much every relevant poll suggests that, in fact, Sanders' supporters have broadly signaled their willingness to do whatever it takes to prevent a Republican from taking office.

On May 21 2016 23:35 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Hope you are right.

Trump advised Bernie to run as independent. The guy is so subtle, it's painful.

Honolulu has agreed to pay $80,000 to settle a lawsuit from two gay women who allege a police officer wrongfully arrested them after seeing them kissing in a grocery store.

Details of the settlement were announced Friday in federal court in Honolulu. It’s still subject to city council approval. The council is expected to consider the settlement at a 6 July meeting, said Honolulu Deputy Corporation Counsel Nicolette Winter.

“The Department of the Corporation Counsel believes that the tentative settlement is in the best interests of the city,” Corporation Counsel Donna Leong said in a statement.

Courtney Wilson and Taylor Guerrero were visiting Hawaii from Los Angeles last year when, according to the their lawsuit, they were harassed and arrested because the officer didn’t like their public displays of affection in a Foodland store on Oahu’s North Shore.

They were walking through the aisles holding hands and at one point hugged and kissed, the lawsuit said. Officer Bobby Harrison, who was shopping in uniform, “observed their consensual romantic contact and, in a loud voice, ordered plaintiffs to stop and ‘take it somewhere else.”’

The women complied and continued shopping, the lawsuit said. When Harrison again saw them being affectionate with each other, he threatened to have them thrown out of the store.

While the women were in the checkout line, Harrison grabbed Wilson by the wrist, and she started to call 911, the women described last year. All three got into a scuffle and Harrison arrested them. They were charged with felony assault on an officer and spent three days in jail. Charges were eventually dismissed.

On May 21 2016 19:29 LemOn wrote:
Hillary blatantly says whatever she thinks will get her elected. And a lot of it got close to Bernie's platform. Even though it's obvious lies (70% of people think she'll say anything to get elected) it's still should bare some weight if she does get to be president so even if he can't win he will influence policy.

And Bernie will have tremendous power now, if DNC don't treat him well he can sink Hillary by running as an independent

On May 22 2016 01:32 LegalLord wrote:
Going third party is pretty much the nuclear option: it's guaranteed to sink Hillary, it's guaranteed to get Trump elected (R will unite behind him because they value unity more than Dems do), and it's guaranteed to make the Dem party hate Sanders for the rest of his political career. I don't think it's going to get there. However, the DNC has pretty consistently been severely biased against Bernie and has very consistently favored Hillary before any votes have been counted, which does represent a giant "fuck you" to his supporters. It's basically saying, "you don't really get to play a part in this, but vote for us anyway cuz the other guy is evil super-Hitler so anything we put up is better." People aren't really happy about that, and whether or not they do come around in November and vote for Hillary, it isn't going to be quite so simple as the DNC is making it out to be.

Personally I'd like to see DWS resign and the DNC have a change in leadership to a more reasonable group. She has been a pretty shitty leader and played no small part in the midterm losses because of a lack of a solid strategy.

On May 22 2016 00:05 GreenHorizons wrote:


I'm less Bernie or bust than I am not going to fall in line for the DNC yet again and especially not for Hillary. If a Democratic congress means that they still won't be able to pass legislation the Democrats say they support, I'm not going to vote for D's because there is a D next to their name.

On May 22 2016 01:32 LegalLord wrote:
Going third party is pretty much the nuclear option: it's guaranteed to sink Hillary, it's guaranteed to get Trump elected (R will unite behind him because they value unity more than Dems do), and it's guaranteed to make the Dem party hate Sanders for the rest of his political career. I don't think it's going to get there. However, the DNC has pretty consistently been severely biased against Bernie and has very consistently favored Hillary before any votes have been counted, which does represent a giant "fuck you" to his supporters. It's basically saying, "you don't really get to play a part in this, but vote for us anyway cuz the other guy is evil super-Hitler so anything we put up is better." People aren't really happy about that, and whether or not they do come around in November and vote for Hillary, it isn't going to be quite so simple as the DNC is making it out to be.

Personally I'd like to see DWS resign and the DNC have a change in leadership to a more reasonable group. She has been a pretty shitty leader and played no small part in the midterm losses because of a lack of a solid strategy.

On May 22 2016 01:47 LegalLord wrote:
I wonder if the R party is really going to go through with their "don't nominate a SCOTUS judge" all the way till the end. We're already well on our way for a new record for the time until nomination.

On May 22 2016 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:

People can whine about whether it would be fair or not, but it's not accurate to say that if Bernie ran 3rd party there are no options but for Trump to beat them by splitting votes. Sure Hillary "should" get to be the one, but if that meant Bernie ran 3rd party she could huff and puff about it on the way to losing the election for the entire left, or she could step aside and fully support Bernie. The choice of whether Trump wins or not becomes hers after a hypothetical Bernie decides to run indy.

The Republican party of Texas has, through its inattention to grammar, inadvertently implied that most Texans are gay.

According to a supposedly disapproving plank in the platform, adopted for the state convention held in Dallas from 12 to 14 May, the party believes homosexuality “is a chosen behavior that is contrary to the fundamental unchanging truths that has been ordained by God in the Bible, recognized by our nations founders [sic], and shared by the majority of Texans”.

The party did not make official comment, but the slip was noted within its ranks. Rudy Oeftering, vice-president of Metroplex Republicans, an LGBT group, told thenewcivilrightsmovement.com: “There’s a grammatical argument going on.

“Some are insisting the use of commas in the ‘homosexuality’ plank in the platform could be interpreted as saying that the founders and the majority of Texans are gay.”

The offending comma was the last in the sentence, which can be seen to make the “chosen behavior” one “shared by the majority of Texans”. Without it, the “majority of Texans” would share beliefs “ordained by God” and “recognized by our nation’s founders”.

Polling shows that Texans are about evenly divided on same-sex marriage. A UT/TT poll last year found that 44% of Texans believe gay people should be allowed to marry, compared to 41% opposed.

On May 22 2016 02:05 Mohdoo wrote:


Are you actually saying "If Bernie decided to ignore the election and run 3rd party, Clinton should end her run"? The person who wins should concede? I don't understand how you even think these things.

On May 22 2016 02:19 Saryph wrote:


It makes as much sense as what most of the things the Hillary supporters in this forum are saying. I'm not a supporter of Bernie or Hillary, just a person who typically votes for the Democrats in a swing state, but the stuff I read Hillary supporters post is disgusting, and does nothing but turn me off further from her. Constant insults, belittling, and demands, all excused because someone else on Reddit said something similar? Come on... Also, winning doesn't mean you treat the loser and his supporters like shit, as others have pointed out, you need their votes, and their votes are not guaranteed. Sure, they might know that Hillary is better than Trump comparatively, but they might vote against their own interests when you constantly belittle them. Quite a few people, you included Mohdoo, really need to act a little more maturely. Sorry if I said too much.