EPTThat kind of shit would make me Republican if i were American.
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
That kind of shit would make me Republican if i were American. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13913 Posts
On May 17 2016 05:27 CannonsNCarriers wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler's_veto "In common parlance, the term is used to describe situations where hecklers and/or demonstrators silence a speaker without intervention of the law." Stamping your feet when you lose and screaming at the speakers until they have to escorted out of the building isn't Democracy. Hecklers don't have the right to shut down public speakers because they want to yell. And thats not what happened. What happened was they called for a voice vote and then ignored people when the Nay side was louder. Then they announced that the convention was over ignoring the rules that they were suppose to follow. Thats how you get a crowd to heckel you. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21661 Posts
On May 17 2016 05:27 CannonsNCarriers wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler's_veto "In common parlance, the term is used to describe situations where hecklers and/or demonstrators silence a speaker without intervention of the law." Stamping your feet when you lose and screaming at the speakers until they have to escorted out of the building isn't Democracy. Hecklers don't have the right to shut down public speakers because they want to yell. Are you sure about that? Isn't the proud American political move of the Filibuster basically a heckler trying to prevent democracy from following its rightful course by holding up a vote? | ||
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Sermokala
United States13913 Posts
On May 17 2016 05:31 Plansix wrote: The thing I dislike most about this election how prone people are to conspiracy theories once the results don’t go the way they want. Sanders wins a bunch of primaries in a row, but loses one and people flip their shit. If it didn’t happen every single time he lost, I might consider it an issue for that specific state. But we have reached boy who cried wolf levels. Edit: Heckling is 100% part of the democratic process. Just like poorly thought out protests are part of college process. A grand tradition supported by our for fathers, who would also have the heckler escorted out so they could speak. This is pretty true. theres a large line inbetween widespread conspiracy and genuine difficulty when trying to organize and collect voteing for hundreds of thousands of people. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 17 2016 05:37 Sermokala wrote: This is pretty true. theres a large line inbetween widespread conspiracy and genuine difficulty when trying to organize and collect voteing for hundreds of thousands of people. I don’t know what dumb ass though the shouting system was going to be effective, but that was super dumb. That being said, how may people were in that room? Because Clinton won by 5% of like 10K voters, so it had better be a lot. If not, then its just a dumb part of the primary that had zero impact on the results. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15677 Posts
First, shown to be someone who wasn't going to be voting without Bernie anyway. Second, just shown to be a generally over emotional idiot who managed to be a delegate. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
http://letstalknevada.com/convention-catastrophe-part-ii-election-2016-special-report/ EDIT: end all caucuses, end them now. I was neutral-negative on them before, but after this mess, end them all. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On May 17 2016 03:44 GreenHorizons wrote: Also since Kwiz's MamaJean story about NV repeated the Nina Turner being booed by Bernie supporters propaganda, figured I'd show people the whole speech and let them decide for themselves whether they were booing her or Democratic party BS. They were booing a procedure they didn't understand. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
But maybe we are at the point where we need it, if only to break the passive aggressive stale mate. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
i worry for ted cruz tho | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Cruz: I can't, we have a floor debate tomorrow and I need to be there. The whole senate will be there. Ryan: (places hand on shoulder) Ted, you should call in sick tomorrow and spend the day with your kids. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15677 Posts
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On May 17 2016 05:17 Sermokala wrote: 1. Politicians have always made promises without a concrete plan on how to do it. See Obama "hope and change" 2. "Super predator" isn't normal nomenclature at any point in history. People don't even use that for super sexual predators. 3. If it was just what an old white guys says the primary wouldn't be contested as it is. People wanting the progressive party to actually be progressive isn't just "wanting to do what an old white guy says" 4. She has terrible likability in polls of people. This isn't something that people are just accusing her of it has polling data to back it up. 5. See number 1. 6. This point of yours makes no sense and is a lie at the best of interpretation. 7. Bernie isn't dangerous to Liberals hes dangerous to conservative and moderate democrats that don't want to worry about their base and want them to just keep voteing them into office without moving the country anywhere. People said the same things about Obama being held to a different standard just because hes black.but instead its because shes a woman. The answer is no and yes. Sexists gets to disagree with her because shes sexist and hide behind shitty reasons and regular people get called sexist because they disagree with her on legitimate reasons. what in the fuck is a "heckler's veto" its called people being dumb enough to use voice votes in a contested election. If you read anything about it you'd see how much of a farce Nevada was. The recount people motioned for was because they handed out petitions as people were coming in and in the lines to register which ment that delegates weren't voting on anything. You'd think a party calling itself the democratic party would have experience with holding a democratic process in their meetings. 1st Off When Obama said he would reach out to liberal republicans and conservative democrats because that's the middle ground that allows for compromises to made--that was a specific tool for change. When Obama said he would push healthcare reform--and then passed healthcare reform. That was a goal implemented using the plan he designed. When he said he was against the Iraq War but not against the Afghanistan War, that showed that he wasn't simply being anti-war or anti-foreign policy, but actually wanted to make decisions on a case by case basis. When he said he would cut taxes on the middle class, and did cut taxes on the middle class. Obama had a lot of big ideas. But he also had a lot of specific backend plans to help push those ideas. He had super delegate support, he had corporate money to fund both his and his allies, he had a goal of reaching out to specific voter bases that he actually followed through on. Hope and Change was just the meme. But his been spouting off the need for inclusive politics since the beginning with an emphasis not on saying the craziest things possible, but on looking for middle grounds between both sides and not just his. 2nd Off Non-Democrats telling democrats to stop being democrats is not "being progressive," ignoring global policies in an attempt to stop globailization is not "being progressive," being stuck with 60 year old policies instead of adapting policies to the current trends of the time is not "being progressive." And citing everyone that disagrees with you as being the enemy is simply the talents on non-liberals. When you have a group of people yelling at liberals for not doing it how they used to do it 60+ years ago, that's not being progressive that's being regressive. And telling me that polls dislike Hilary when 3million more people voted for her is just so out of touch it makes sense why you'd be a sandernista. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On May 17 2016 05:37 Gorsameth wrote: Are you sure about that? Isn't the proud American political move of the Filibuster basically a heckler trying to prevent democracy from following its rightful course by holding up a vote? Filibusters are not hecklers. Filibusters happen because in a democracy every is given a chance to say something--even if that thing is wrong. There is a part in the process of dialogue where the other guy gets their turn before a decision is made. Hecklers are specific people doing so out of turn. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 17 2016 06:53 ticklishmusic wrote: Ryan is in the House tho Exactly, no one in the senate who works with him would warn him. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 17 2016 07:00 Plansix wrote: Exactly, no one in the senate who works with him would warn him. Imagine Piledriver Pelosi vs Cruz the Bruiser | ||
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Simberto
Germany11502 Posts
On May 17 2016 07:00 Naracs_Duc wrote: Filibusters are not hecklers. Filibusters happen because in a democracy every is given a chance to say something--even if that thing is wrong. There is a part in the process of dialogue where the other guy gets their turn before a decision is made. Hecklers are specific people doing so out of turn. But isn't the basic idea of a filibuster that you can stop a decision from ever being made just as long as you don't stop talking? | ||
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